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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) Ladder Change
Date: 09 Sep 1998 19:32:43 -0700
Hi,
GTT Software and the CWW are in the final stages on agreeing on GTT's
sponsorship of certain CWW competition events. Beginning with the Mac
Hornet Korea ladder and continuing with PC Korea ladder, F15 ladder and
forthcoming F22 ADF ladder, there will be a small sponsorship banner on
these ladders.
This sponsorship will not result your faithful administrators getting rich.
In exchange for the banners on the specified ladders, GTT will contribute a
prize to the winner of the tournament for the sim associated with these
ladders. This helps improve the overall interest in competition to insure a
quality time for all who choose to participate. This is a direct outgrowth
of the failure of the last HKM tournament to garner enough interest.
Although I was ambivilant about the idea initially, I have commited myself
to it. It will help improve the spirit of competition. But due to the
nature of what is being done, I am interested in any feedback. I have asked
HB his opinion and he agrees with proceeding, but I don't want this
interfering with what all the stuff is about....bringing people together
and helping them get the most out of what they are doing.
In light of the possibility of the sponsorship, the last HKM tournament
will be rerun as a sequel. It will be known as "There can be more then One"
and is not yet scheduled.
Dale
*******************************************************
Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
Flight Sim Competition Ladders
http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
*******************************************************
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From: Dan Champagne <dan@navnet.net>
Subject: (cww) What ever happened to?
Date: 10 Sep 1998 00:56:12 -0400
Anyone know what ever happened to Strike software for f-18 hornet, 2.0, and
3.0? Those guys rocked at making missions. I like to get their e mail
address as to see what they are up to. Thanks !
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From: Dan Champagne <dan@navnet.net>
Subject: (cww) True story
Date: 10 Sep 1998 01:01:13 -0400
<fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param>Captain Freeman I. Howard23d
Special Warfare Aviation Detachment
September 28, 1964At 3:25 pm, 28 September 1964, two JOV-1 aircraft
departed Vung Tau airfield and proceeded to Bac Lieu. They were
piloted
by Captain Freeman I. Howard and Captain Jerrell S. Reed, Jr. The
observer with Captain Freeman was 2LT Don Ton That, an ARVN observer.
They arrived at Bac Lieu at 3:50 pm for a briefing by the 21st
Division
G-2 Advisor on their mission. The departure from Vung Tau, the flight
and landing at Bac Lieu were normal.After the briefing, the pilots
manned their aircraft and Captain Howard performed his run-up checks.
According to his statement, all systems were operating normal, and
full
power was available. Preparing to take off first, Captain Howard held
his brakes until full power was obtained, then allowed the aircraft to
begin rolling. Initially, a slight correction was required to
straighten
the nose wheel but it is not felt that this had anything to do with
the
ensuing accident. A Captain Taylor, who was observing the take off
from
the side of the runway, stated that the aircraft appeared to be
developing full power and that the initial acceleration, until the
dust
obscured his vision, was normal. Captain Howard had planned to utilize
all the runway in order to obtain maximum speed. As he approached the
end of the runway, Captain Howard noticed a gravel pile just off the
end
and applied back pressure on the controls to start the rotation of the
nose. As soon as the aircraft became airborne, Captain Howard moved
the
landing gear lever into the "gear up" position. At this time a jolt
was
felt by him and his observer and Captain Reed, who was waiting to take
off, noticed a cloud of dust at the end of the runway. As the aircraft
gained a little altitude, Captain Taylor noticed that the landing gear
had not retracted. It is noted that neither of the pilots nor Captain
Tailor knew of the existence of the gravel pile on the end of the
runway
until after the accident.The aircraft was flown back to Vung Tau and a
determination was made not to attempt a landing there but to continue
on
to Tan Son Nhut where complete crash rescue facilities were available
including a concrete runway and foaming capability.Upon arrival
overhead
at Tan Son Nhut, approximately 3000 feet of runway was foamed for an
emergency landing. Captain Howard made three touchdown passes in an
attempt to collapse the left main gear, which was extended but
unlocked,
so a "wheels up" landing could be made. When these attempts failed and
fuel was getting low, Captain Howard elected to crash land the
aircraft.
On final approach, the canopy was blown and the aircraft was allowed
touchdown on the left main gear which somehow became locked after the
initial touchdown. The right engine was feathered and the left engine
was brought back to ground idle. Captain Howard attempted to maintain
directional control of the aircraft with rudder and aileron until the
right wing began to dip.At this time, Captain Howard placed the left
engine in full reverse, resulting in his being able to hold the
aircraft
on a nearly straight course even as the right wing settled to the
ground. As the aircraft slowed, the right pylon rack contacted the
ground and acted as a skid, keeping the wing tip from making contact
with the ground.After a roll and slide of 1475 feet on the foamed
runway, the aircraft began a turn to the right, using up an additional
325 feet of runway, and came to rest just off the right side of the
runway with only a portion of the tail protruding over the runway.
Both
the pilot and the observer were uninjured in this landing.Based on
Captain Reeds' statement concerning the cloud of dust, the pilots and
observers statements on the jolt felt, Captain Taylors inspection of
the
end of the runway and the investigation by the accident board the next
day, it was determined that the aircraft struck the gravel pile
located
just off the end of the runway. There were three points of disrupted
gravel on the pile coinciding with the width of the aircraft landing
gear. The point of the heaviest contact was on the right,
approximately
4 inches above the runway level and several large pieces of hard
packed
earth and gravel were found that had been torn loose by the impact of
the landing gear.The runway at Bac Lieu was 1,700 feet, with a width
of
23 feet and the gravel pile was located 70 feet from the end of the
runway and slightly to right of centerline. The wind direction was
Westerly and not exceeding 10 knots and was not considered a factor.
The
density altitude at the time of the accident was computed at 2,280
feet.
The aircraft gross weight was computed at 13,724 pounds and in order
to
obtain a speed of 85 knots the complete runway would have to be
used.The
impact sheared the front and rear trunion pins attaching the right
main
gear to the air frame, ruptured the hydraulic lines and left the right
main gear hanging by the shock strut. In addition, the right flap was
split and a hole punched through the upper right wing surface. Also
the
right wing spar was cracked and it was thought that it was due to the
impact with the gravel pile and not the landing.Because of the
exceptional flying skills of Capatin Howard, both he and Hawk 16
became
a Mohawk Legend on that day.</fontfamily>
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From: Dan Champagne <dan@navnet.net>
Subject: (cww) Question
Date: 12 Sep 1998 18:07:54 -0400
Something I always wanted but cannot find is a video and or audio recording
of a mission, or even a simulated training mission for a f-18/ f-15 / f-16
or any combat jet for that matter. The video's I get only show short clips
of flights with some one yapping in the background explaining minor
details. What I want is the real deal from beginning to end, though some
segments would be boring to the general public. Why? Several reasons. On a
technical level, to find out the real start up procedure of a jet. What
systems get turned on first, and what systems are put on stand by until
needed. Second reason is what is said over the intercom such as ground
control, tower, in flight com talk, and landing procedures and com. This
may be classified so that may be why it's not available. Even an older tape
would be nice to get. I find with GSC's hornet has no protocol in the start
up and shutdown of the jet. It's over simplified, not many systems to
activate, no script to follow with regards to procedures. I know they kept
it simple in order to keep the mainstream content with the learning curve,
but it would be nice to have greater insight into the small details a real
jet pilot has to contend with. For example, I've seen a snippet of 3
minutes of a aircraft landing on carrier. Looking closely at the hud, it
showed the airspeed at 137 knots, needles aligned, and aoa under control.
He caught the 3 wire. No com chat was recorded though so I did not get to
hear the LSO instructing the pilot. It was nice to see the actual airspeed
on the hud for carrier landings. The information I seek appears very hard
to get. Even an older tape may be classified. I'd like to up the ante on
what I know about flying jets, right down to where the cockpit light switch
is. Anyone comments or ideas would be welcome. Zorro out.
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From: Jon Norton <jonn@usaor.net>
Subject: (cww) Frame Rate Display
Date: 12 Sep 1998 16:20:36 +0000
How do I get X-Plane Classic to display frame rates?
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) CWW Support Services
Date: 15 Sep 1998 19:26:13 -0700
In an effort to provide the members of the CWW with additionally support,
the idea of creating squadron only competition ladders is being considered.
This ladder would be just like the main ones, but limited to the members of
a given squadron. Password access would be set up for the ladder.
The conditions would be:
1) First come, first serve basis
2) Limited to squadrons or organizations in CWW
3) Each sq would be responsible for it's own design work (templates would
be provided)
The only only consideration is that squadron ladders could not cut into the
level of competition of the main ladders. What could be done is make it a
prize to the top squadron on the HKM ladder for a given month. And a
special prize going to the top pilot of that squadron (there is sponsorship
now, details to be announced) for that month. And it would be open to any
squadron (including the Jaguars).
In the event there is enough interest in the idea, there could be an online
conference (like what was used to work out the ladder competition ROE for
Hornet).
I'd like to know who's interested
Dale
*******************************************************
Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
Flight Sim Competition Ladders
http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) Ladder Sponsorship
Date: 15 Sep 1998 19:50:08 -0700
Hi,
The CWW competition ladders now has sponsorship for the Hornet Korea (Mac &
PC), F15 and forthcoming F22ADF ladders.
Right now, in exchange for a banner on those ladders, Game Tool
Technologies (http://www.gttweb.com/index.htm) will be providing a grand
prize to the winner of the tournaments to be held for those flight sims. It
is possible this would also extend to the top pilot on those ladders for a
given period.
It has long been a goal of mind to provide prizes on a regular basis. What
prizes there have been were sporadic and came out of my pocket (which is
why they were sporadic:)).
The next tournament will be an Hornet Korea Mac one as soon as final
details are worked out. The tournament will be held on a Saturday and if
there is enough interest, it will be broken up into regional sections to
facilitate various time zones. But if not, it will be held at one time.
Judging will be done by LeadDog as I have to work weekends for the
forseeable future.
Dale
*******************************************************
Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
Flight Sim Competition Ladders
http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
*******************************************************
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) From MacCentral
Date: 16 Sep 1998 08:41:16 -0700
Bullseye Software's Flying Circus is now available
by MacCentral Staff
email@maccentral.com
http://www.maccentral.com/news/9809/15.bullseye.shtml
Bullseye Software has announced that their new Mac-only, WWI era flight
sim Flying Circus is now shipping.
"Seat of the pants flying, that's what you get with Bullseye Software's
Flying Circus," says the press release. "Flying Circus is fun for all
ages and abilities, and still realistic enough for flight sim
enthusiasts. No huge manual to get through, no weapon's systems to
memorize. Enjoy dogfighting up close and personal. The game features 20
missions to complete as well as a mission editor, skilled AI pilots,
realistic flight dynamics, and network/Internet play."...
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) From MacCentral
Date: 21 Sep 1998 13:41:16 -0700
>Attention Mac Gamers: Games added to PricePulse!
>by MacCentral Staff, email@maccentral.com
>http://www.maccentral.com/news/9809/19.games.shtml
>
>Calling Mac Gamers everywhere! In case you haven't heard, MacCentral has
>added a new feature called PricePulse that tracks the lowest prices on
>everything Mac - which now includes GAMES!!! As of today, PricePulse has
>added the following Macintosh game titles...
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) Fwd: New squadron!
Date: 21 Sep 1998 14:07:53 -0700
It's been awhile since there was a new squadron added to the H2 ladder and
even longer for one that is H2 dedicated. It may seem strange to see to see
such interest in H2, but H2 seems to have become the energizer bunny of
flight sims :)
I am glad to see the addition. And I know a lot of people are still H2
users and want to join a squadron. Maybe this is the squadron for you
>Envelope-to: thon@xmission.com
>Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:55:32 -0400
>From: Ronald Mathos <mathos@worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: the_jediknight@hotmail.com
>Organization: DuPont
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: thon@xmission.com
>Subject: New squadron!
>Status: U
>
>Hello,
>
>I would like to add a new H2 squadron to the ladder. Its name is the
>VFA-226th Iron Eagles and >I will be the squadron CO, Renegade. My first
>recruits have been BLUE-FOX and DRJONS3
>
>Thank you. PLease email me when the squad is listed.
>
>Thank you I appreciate it
*******************************************************
Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
Flight Sim Competition Ladders
http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
*******************************************************
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) Jon, trey@graphsim.com
Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:08:51 -0700
This is an open letter to Trey at GSC
I want to follow up on a point I had previously alluded to. That point
being that Hornet Korea does not have the same level of interest it's
predecessors had. And while previously that allusion was to the Mac
versions only, you will find that for the numbers of PC people out there,
the numbers are weak.
The following numbers are taken from the various competition ladders.
Members:
H2 - 44
H3M - 72
HKM - 61
H3PC - 27
HKPC - 62
As you can see, H2 is almost as popular as HKM, but HKM is not as popular
as H3M. And the PC numbers look good going from H3PC to HKPC, but the H3PC
numbers are weak and you probably took a hit there. And the HKPC numbers
are no better then the HKM numbers in soite of there being more PC users.
And while the online community is only a certain percentage of your market,
I would think they are a representative percentage of GSC's actual overall
sales.
And these are "mature" numbers.
And as an example, the F-15 ladder already has 27 people in only 5 weeks of
operation. And that is only because Jane's has not gone to the lengths GSC
has to promote the organizing that has been done in the Hornet community.
GSC has greatly profitted from that and Jon's willingness to work with the
people doing the organizing
Recently, GTT Software offered to sponsor the CWW Ladders that they had add
on software for. And to use that software as prizes. I have accepted their
offer, in part, help build interest in Hornet Korea, GTT and organizing. Of
course I will be the same thing for the other sims.
I will also use it to build interest in the Cyber Wings of the World
because I believe that only thru organizing can the online user have a
large enough voice to have an impact on their own destiny. One voice in the
wilderness is often unheard....a thousand unified voices is often heard and
listened to. The CWW will offer prizes also to advance the organizing.
GSC will profit by all this.
This is not a solicitation for support such as GTT is providing. But it is
a solicitation nonetheless....for information. When is GSC going to deliver
TCP/IP for the Mac? You can ignore this request and all the others, but
they won't go away. Or maybe they will and take their purchases of Hornet
with them. Right now, GSC has a corner on the mainline Mac market. That
won't last forever. And GSC's part of the PC market is not all it could be
because they don't offer as much.
While the online user is a small percentage of GSC's market, Mac & PC, that
doesn't mean we are isolated. Each of us are users of a product and if we
are not satisfied, then we let others know. Others that only may be offline
users. And a lot of the people using your product are people in school
where they have the greatest contact with others.
What do I want? TCP/IP for Mac, a realistic statement of what GSC is going
to be doing and (wishfully) the ability to fly against PC people sooner
then later
*******************************************************
Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
Flight Sim Competition Ladders
http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
*******************************************************
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) Open Letter to GSC
Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:28:26 -0700
This is an open letter to Trey at GSC
I want to follow up on a point I had previously alluded to. That point
being that Hornet Korea does not have the same level of interest it's
predecessors had. And while previously that allusion was to the Mac
versions only, you will find that for the numbers of PC people out there,
the numbers are weak.
The following numbers are taken from the various competition ladders.
Members:
H2 - 44
H3M - 72
HKM - 61
H3PC - 27
HKPC - 62
As you can see, H2 is almost as popular as HKM, but HKM is not as popular
as H3M. And the PC numbers look good going from H3PC to HKPC, but the H3PC
numbers are weak and you probably took a hit there. And the HKPC numbers
are no better then the HKM numbers in soite of there being more PC users.
And while the online community is only a certain percentage of your market,
I would think they are a representative percentage of GSC's actual overall
sales.
And these are "mature" numbers.
And as an example, the F-15 ladder already has 27 people in only 5 weeks of
operation. And that is only because Jane's has not gone to the lengths GSC
has to promote the organizing that has been done in the Hornet community.
GSC has greatly profitted from that and Jon's willingness to work with the
people doing the organizing
Recently, GTT Software offered to sponsor the CWW Ladders that they had add
on software for. And to use that software as prizes. I have accepted their
offer, in part, help build interest in Hornet Korea, GTT and organizing. Of
course I will be the same thing for the other sims.
I will also use it to build interest in the Cyber Wings of the World
because I believe that only thru organizing can the online user have a
large enough voice to have an impact on their own destiny. One voice in the
wilderness is often unheard....a thousand unified voices is often heard and
listened to. The CWW will offer prizes also to advance the organizing.
GSC will profit by all this.
This is not a solicitation for support such as GTT is providing. But it is
a solicitation nonetheless....for information. When is GSC going to deliver
TCP/IP for the Mac? You can ignore this request and all the others, but
they won't go away. Or maybe they will and take their purchases of Hornet
with them. Right now, GSC has a corner on the mainline Mac market. That
won't last forever. And GSC's part of the PC market is not all it could be
because they don't offer as much.
While the online user is a small percentage of GSC's market, Mac & PC, that
doesn't mean we are isolated. Each of us are users of a product and if we
are not satisfied, then we let others know. Others that only may be offline
users. And a lot of the people using your product are people in school
where they have the greatest contact with others.
What do I want? TCP/IP for Mac, a realistic statement of what GSC is going
to be doing and (wishfully) the ability to fly against PC people sooner
then later
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From: Marv De Beque <mdebeque@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: (cww) Jon, trey@graphsim.com
Date: 21 Sep 1998 20:23:08 -0400
Please don't take this wrong as I am a staunch supporter of GSC's products,
but your sample size is too small to draw any reasonable conclusions.
Any difference between the numbers can easily be attributed to "noise".
However, I for one, would like to see GSC expand the envelope of Hornet and
whatever may come from their polling efforts. To that end, count my voice in.
Marv
Dale wrote:
>
> This is an open letter to Trey at GSC
>
> I want to follow up on a point I had previously alluded to. That point
> being that Hornet Korea does not have the same level of interest it's
> predecessors had. And while previously that allusion was to the Mac
> versions only, you will find that for the numbers of PC people out there,
> the numbers are weak.
>
> The following numbers are taken from the various competition ladders.
>
> Members:
>
> H2 - 44
> H3M - 72
> HKM - 61
>
> H3PC - 27
> HKPC - 62
>
> As you can see, H2 is almost as popular as HKM, but HKM is not as popular
> as H3M. And the PC numbers look good going from H3PC to HKPC, but the H3PC
> numbers are weak and you probably took a hit there. And the HKPC numbers
> are no better then the HKM numbers in soite of there being more PC users.
> And while the online community is only a certain percentage of your market,
> I would think they are a representative percentage of GSC's actual overall
> sales.
>
> And these are "mature" numbers.
>
> And as an example, the F-15 ladder already has 27 people in only 5 weeks of
> operation. And that is only because Jane's has not gone to the lengths GSC
> has to promote the organizing that has been done in the Hornet community.
> GSC has greatly profitted from that and Jon's willingness to work with the
> people doing the organizing
>
> Recently, GTT Software offered to sponsor the CWW Ladders that they had add
> on software for. And to use that software as prizes. I have accepted their
> offer, in part, help build interest in Hornet Korea, GTT and organizing. Of
> course I will be the same thing for the other sims.
>
> I will also use it to build interest in the Cyber Wings of the World
> because I believe that only thru organizing can the online user have a
> large enough voice to have an impact on their own destiny. One voice in the
> wilderness is often unheard....a thousand unified voices is often heard and
> listened to. The CWW will offer prizes also to advance the organizing.
>
> GSC will profit by all this.
>
> This is not a solicitation for support such as GTT is providing. But it is
> a solicitation nonetheless....for information. When is GSC going to deliver
> TCP/IP for the Mac? You can ignore this request and all the others, but
> they won't go away. Or maybe they will and take their purchases of Hornet
> with them. Right now, GSC has a corner on the mainline Mac market. That
> won't last forever. And GSC's part of the PC market is not all it could be
> because they don't offer as much.
>
> While the online user is a small percentage of GSC's market, Mac & PC, that
> doesn't mean we are isolated. Each of us are users of a product and if we
> are not satisfied, then we let others know. Others that only may be offline
> users. And a lot of the people using your product are people in school
> where they have the greatest contact with others.
>
> What do I want? TCP/IP for Mac, a realistic statement of what GSC is going
> to be doing and (wishfully) the ability to fly against PC people sooner
> then later
>
> *******************************************************
> Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
> Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
>
> To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
> http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
>
> IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
> http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
> http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
>
> Flight Sim Competition Ladders
> http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
> *******************************************************
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: Re: (cww) Open letter to Trey
Date: 21 Sep 1998 18:12:05 -0700
I recognize the database being drawn from is small and may not be
representative. But it's all I have to work with and make a point....GSC is
loosing Mac people. And if we are 50% of their market, can they afford to
loose us? Can they afford to ignore us?
At 8:23 PM -0400 9/21/98, Marv De Beque wrote:
>Please don't take this wrong as I am a staunch supporter of GSC's products,
>but your sample size is too small to draw any reasonable conclusions.
>
>Any difference between the numbers can easily be attributed to "noise".
>
>However, I for one, would like to see GSC expand the envelope of Hornet and
>whatever may come from their polling efforts. To that end, count my voice in.
>
>Marv
>
>Dale wrote:
>>
>> This is an open letter to Trey at GSC
>>
>> I want to follow up on a point I had previously alluded to. That point
>> being that Hornet Korea does not have the same level of interest it's
>> predecessors had. And while previously that allusion was to the Mac
>> versions only, you will find that for the numbers of PC people out there,
>> the numbers are weak.
>>
>> The following numbers are taken from the various competition ladders.
>>
>> Members:
>>
>> H2 - 44
>> H3M - 72
>> HKM - 61
>>
>> H3PC - 27
>> HKPC - 62
>>
>> As you can see, H2 is almost as popular as HKM, but HKM is not as popular
>> as H3M. And the PC numbers look good going from H3PC to HKPC, but the H3PC
>> numbers are weak and you probably took a hit there. And the HKPC numbers
>> are no better then the HKM numbers in soite of there being more PC users.
>> And while the online community is only a certain percentage of your market,
>> I would think they are a representative percentage of GSC's actual overall
>> sales.
>>
>> And these are "mature" numbers.
>>
>> And as an example, the F-15 ladder already has 27 people in only 5 weeks of
>> operation. And that is only because Jane's has not gone to the lengths GSC
>> has to promote the organizing that has been done in the Hornet community.
>> GSC has greatly profitted from that and Jon's willingness to work with the
>> people doing the organizing
>>
>> Recently, GTT Software offered to sponsor the CWW Ladders that they had add
>> on software for. And to use that software as prizes. I have accepted their
>> offer, in part, help build interest in Hornet Korea, GTT and organizing. Of
>> course I will be the same thing for the other sims.
>>
>> I will also use it to build interest in the Cyber Wings of the World
>> because I believe that only thru organizing can the online user have a
>> large enough voice to have an impact on their own destiny. One voice in the
>> wilderness is often unheard....a thousand unified voices is often heard and
>> listened to. The CWW will offer prizes also to advance the organizing.
>>
>> GSC will profit by all this.
>>
>> This is not a solicitation for support such as GTT is providing. But it is
>> a solicitation nonetheless....for information. When is GSC going to deliver
>> TCP/IP for the Mac? You can ignore this request and all the others, but
>> they won't go away. Or maybe they will and take their purchases of Hornet
>> with them. Right now, GSC has a corner on the mainline Mac market. That
>> won't last forever. And GSC's part of the PC market is not all it could be
>> because they don't offer as much.
>>
>> While the online user is a small percentage of GSC's market, Mac & PC, that
>> doesn't mean we are isolated. Each of us are users of a product and if we
>> are not satisfied, then we let others know. Others that only may be offline
>> users. And a lot of the people using your product are people in school
>> where they have the greatest contact with others.
>>
>> What do I want? TCP/IP for Mac, a realistic statement of what GSC is going
>> to be doing and (wishfully) the ability to fly against PC people sooner
>> then later
>>
>> *******************************************************
>> Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
>> Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
>>
>> To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
>> http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
>>
>> IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
>> http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
>> http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
>>
>> Flight Sim Competition Ladders
>> http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
>> *******************************************************
*******************************************************
Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
Flight Sim Competition Ladders
http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
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From: Marv De Beque <mdebeque@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: (cww) Open letter to Trey
Date: 21 Sep 1998 21:31:27 -0400
I agree. I think that the problems I have seen is the lack for good
programmers willing and able to support the gaming market.
From what little I have gleaned from various lists, many companies are
resource shy and this pressures them to pursue markets with the best rate of
return given their resources.
If anything, the fact that GSC is "asking" people what they want in a
simulation is a good sign.
I also see Apple's resurgence with seriously powerful machines as another ray
of hope for Macs to be taken as a viable market.
I hope that this will be the catalyst to move things forward.
Even if you numbers are representative of real interest, remember, that GSC's
Hornet 3.0 is virtually given away for free these days. I have about three
copies floating around here somewhere. This will saturate the market in
comparison to the well heeled Korea version that costs $45.
Good luck!
Marv
Dale wrote:
>
> I recognize the database being drawn from is small and may not be
> representative. But it's all I have to work with and make a point....GSC is
> loosing Mac people. And if we are 50% of their market, can they afford to
> loose us? Can they afford to ignore us?
>
> At 8:23 PM -0400 9/21/98, Marv De Beque wrote:
> >Please don't take this wrong as I am a staunch supporter of GSC's products,
> >but your sample size is too small to draw any reasonable conclusions.
> >
> >Any difference between the numbers can easily be attributed to "noise".
> >
> >However, I for one, would like to see GSC expand the envelope of Hornet and
> >whatever may come from their polling efforts. To that end, count my voice in.
> >
> >Marv
> >
> >Dale wrote:
> >>
> >> This is an open letter to Trey at GSC
> >>
> >> I want to follow up on a point I had previously alluded to. That point
> >> being that Hornet Korea does not have the same level of interest it's
> >> predecessors had. And while previously that allusion was to the Mac
> >> versions only, you will find that for the numbers of PC people out there,
> >> the numbers are weak.
> >>
> >> The following numbers are taken from the various competition ladders.
> >>
> >> Members:
> >>
> >> H2 - 44
> >> H3M - 72
> >> HKM - 61
> >>
> >> H3PC - 27
> >> HKPC - 62
> >>
> >> As you can see, H2 is almost as popular as HKM, but HKM is not as popular
> >> as H3M. And the PC numbers look good going from H3PC to HKPC, but the H3PC
> >> numbers are weak and you probably took a hit there. And the HKPC numbers
> >> are no better then the HKM numbers in soite of there being more PC users.
> >> And while the online community is only a certain percentage of your market,
> >> I would think they are a representative percentage of GSC's actual overall
> >> sales.
> >>
> >> And these are "mature" numbers.
> >>
> >> And as an example, the F-15 ladder already has 27 people in only 5 weeks of
> >> operation. And that is only because Jane's has not gone to the lengths GSC
> >> has to promote the organizing that has been done in the Hornet community.
> >> GSC has greatly profitted from that and Jon's willingness to work with the
> >> people doing the organizing
> >>
> >> Recently, GTT Software offered to sponsor the CWW Ladders that they had add
> >> on software for. And to use that software as prizes. I have accepted their
> >> offer, in part, help build interest in Hornet Korea, GTT and organizing. Of
> >> course I will be the same thing for the other sims.
> >>
> >> I will also use it to build interest in the Cyber Wings of the World
> >> because I believe that only thru organizing can the online user have a
> >> large enough voice to have an impact on their own destiny. One voice in the
> >> wilderness is often unheard....a thousand unified voices is often heard and
> >> listened to. The CWW will offer prizes also to advance the organizing.
> >>
> >> GSC will profit by all this.
> >>
> >> This is not a solicitation for support such as GTT is providing. But it is
> >> a solicitation nonetheless....for information. When is GSC going to deliver
> >> TCP/IP for the Mac? You can ignore this request and all the others, but
> >> they won't go away. Or maybe they will and take their purchases of Hornet
> >> with them. Right now, GSC has a corner on the mainline Mac market. That
> >> won't last forever. And GSC's part of the PC market is not all it could be
> >> because they don't offer as much.
> >>
> >> While the online user is a small percentage of GSC's market, Mac & PC, that
> >> doesn't mean we are isolated. Each of us are users of a product and if we
> >> are not satisfied, then we let others know. Others that only may be offline
> >> users. And a lot of the people using your product are people in school
> >> where they have the greatest contact with others.
> >>
> >> What do I want? TCP/IP for Mac, a realistic statement of what GSC is going
> >> to be doing and (wishfully) the ability to fly against PC people sooner
> >> then later
> >>
> >> *******************************************************
> >> Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
> >> Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
> >>
> >> To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
> >> http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
> >>
> >> IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
> >> http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
> >> http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
> >>
> >> Flight Sim Competition Ladders
> >> http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
> >> *******************************************************
>
> *******************************************************
> Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
> Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
>
> To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
> http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
>
> IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
> http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
> http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
>
> Flight Sim Competition Ladders
> http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
> *******************************************************
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From: "Robert J. Richardson" <rrichardson@eurekanet.com>
Subject: Re: (cww) Open letter to Trey
Date: 21 Sep 1998 21:33:28 -0400 (EDT)
At 6:12 PM -0700 9/21/98, Dale wrote:
>I recognize the database being drawn from is small and may not be
>representative. But it's all I have to work with and make a point....GSC is
>loosing Mac people. And if we are 50% of their market, can they afford to
>loose us? Can they afford to ignore us?
>
>I was one of the first people to buy a GSC product. I was talking to a
>person in Texas re a problem with an extended scenery program in Microsoft
>Flight Simulator. He remarked that there was a new outfit that was working
>on a Hellcat flight Sim in Richardson, Texas, and I should give them a
>call. I did and they took my order right over the phone, at least two
>weeks before Hellcats would be available from retailers and the catalog
>people. I was up to the wee hours of the morning with Hellcats. Wow! What
>a departure from the week sims then on the market. And along came Hornet
>and WOW! all over again. I've had every verson.
I still use Hornet 2.0 because it's so straightforward. But when I took on
Hornet Korea in 3Dfx, I was delighted with the 3D effects, but was miffed
by poor flight directions and a map that I still can't fathom. In Hornet
2.0 you would be advised to fly Waypoint 1 and given the precise target.
The map was excellent. I used to take on H-bombs and go up to Bagdad and
level the city. In Korea I never know really what to do in a given
assignment. This lack of pre-flight information and the disgusting map (it
was just as bad in the original non-3D Hornet Korea, keeps me more occupied
with Warbird and even Chuck Yeager. And another thing, you get easily
trounced by the enemy with just one of their weak targeting rockets. No
matter what evasive action you take, and long after you've launched an
AM-120, you get spashed with a heat-seeking and short-range rocket. I think
that when GSC started concentrating on the PC market and had only profit as
a main motive, we Mac pioneers discovered that GSC flight sims lacked the
excitement and thrills of their earlier products.
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From: Dan Champagne <dan@navnet.net>
Subject: (cww) Nice Letter
Date: 21 Sep 1998 23:38:06 -0400
With regards to the letter to GSC, nice going Dale. Very well put and to
the point. I hounded GSC via the phone for TCP/IP and no joy. Sent E mails
and no joy. So I gave up on them as far as a TCP/IP patch. It's nice that a
fresh new approach to try to motivate them is taking place. Good comparison
Mac VS PC. From what I see the Mac user per capita are far more interested
in net flying vs our PC friends. Anyways, I for one would like to see
TCP/IP for Korea as many others do. I guess all we can do is keep trying,
maybe eventually they will do what they promised. From the data submitted
one could surmise that TCP/IP for the Mac would encourage greater Mac
sales. The IMac sales are very promising, hopefully those buying IMacs will
add to growing interest in flying F-18. Zorro out.
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From: Justin Madden <jmadden@mail.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: (cww) Open letter to Trey
Date: 22 Sep 1998 13:02:43 -0000
Minimum sample size for a statistical analysis is 30.
just my 2 bit.
Zipp
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From: David Christoffersen <davidchr@psych.purdue.edu>
Subject: Re: (cww) Open letter to Trey
Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:24:02 -0500
>Minimum sample size for a statistical analysis is 30.
>
>just my 2 bit.
>
>Zipp
Not true.
With any sample size, especially small ones, you
have to be concerned that random fluctuations are accounting
for apparent difference, but 30 is not the minimum size required
to conduct statistical analysis. There are some general
"rules of thumb" that most scientists try to follow to establish
an acceptable amount of stastical power, but these "rules" are
by no means minimums. The "rule of thumb" I"m referring to is,
'have 20 subjects per cell.'
Dale also didn't conduct a statistical analysis to determine
if those differences were "significant." He made some general
statements based upon his admitted small sample in order to
make a point. He's not trying to justify the National budget
based on these data...so I think we should cut him a little
slack. *grin*
David Christoffersen
"Mental"
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From: Justin Madden <jmadden@mail.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: (cww) Open letter to Trey
Date: 22 Sep 1998 13:49:15 -0000
hehe Mental i think you got me wrong - i was cutting him some slack - my
comment was in terms of this:
>Please don't take this wrong as I am a staunch supporter of GSC's products,
>but your sample size is too small to draw any reasonable conclusions.
>
>Any difference between the numbers can easily be attributed to "noise".
>
>However, I for one, would like to see GSC expand the envelope of Hornet and
>whatever may come from their polling efforts. To that end, count my voice in.
>
>Marv
>
I completely agree with Dale,
Zipp
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: Re: (cww) Open letter to Trey
Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:54:37 -0700
Keep in mind that I pointed out that I was working with what I had. Working
to make a point, that GSC does not enjoy the support that they once did,
that their PC market is not so large that they can afford to ignore the Mac
user and that their support leaves a lot to be desired along with their
ability to communicate to us, their customers.
The statistics I quoted were not meant to be more then that. Let's not
quibble whether it is an accurate analysis or not, cause I can tell it
isn't. If it was, it would not so heavily emotionally based. And this is an
emotional issue. We have been let down and we feel it every time. I mention
this because one of the points in the letter was the lack of customer
support that GSC is giving us and the online user, PC and Mac.
There is more to then just having someone answer questions, it involves
follow thru. And that follow thru is lacking and has been lacking since the
original Hornet.
At 10:24 PM -0500 9/21/98, David Christoffersen wrote:
>
> Dale also didn't conduct a statistical analysis to determine
>if those differences were "significant." He made some general
>statements based upon his admitted small sample in order to
>make a point. He's not trying to justify the National budget
>based on these data...so I think we should cut him a little
>slack. *grin*
>
>David Christoffersen
>"Mental"
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: Re: (cww) Open letter to Trey
Date: 21 Sep 1998 22:55:55 -0700
This one bounced for some reason
>Message-ID: <36070D22.A4B7062D@bullet.com.br>
>Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:36:20 -0300
>From: Bullet <bullet@bullet.com.br>
>Reply-To: neto@bullet.com.br
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>
>To whom are we talking to?
>
>How long GSC is gone from IRC?
>
>Do they know that we even exist?
>
>If they do, why Korea has such long net-missions?
>
>Do they made any research with us, the users, before launching Korea, to ask
>what we want?
>
>The 3dfx graphics on Korea are great, but lets face it, this is for the PC
>users, we just got it because we have PCI slots...they don't care about the
>mac-net-users *at all*.
>
>
>Muna
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Capt. Mentor "Muna" Neto
>VMFA-323rd Cougars
>http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From: deisman@ucla.edu
Subject: Re: (cww) Open Letter to GSC
Date: 22 Sep 1998 00:09:21 -0700
A few thoughts...
The last time I talked with Gabe, PC sales accounted for nearly 90%
of GSC's revenue. Apple's market share has dwindled to, by various
estimates, between 3 and 6 percent. We can't blame GSC for putting such a
low priority on Mac sales when revenues put bread on their table.
I think one of the reasons that the PC numbers on the ladder are so
low is the time that Hornet's had to penetrate the market. Given time, we
might see a more equal ratio. And since Hornet was the only ticket in town
for a long while on the Mac market, we took it upon ourselves to band
together and form squadrons. We made sure that every hornet pilot knew
where to come, and we had three years to recruit. PCers may be content to
fly alone, or may have found other places to fly. Hell, they may still be
looking for a place like #hornet...
Still, to our credit, this can only show that while the Mac market
is but 5% of the installed base, GSC could conceivably have it all to
themselves. Imagine having 80% of that 5% - a 4 on the sales scale, and
then imagine the flip side - having but 10 or 20 percent of the PC side.
While that's still a respectable 15 or so percent, the Mac numbers no
longer seem quite so insignificant. You've a captive audience, GSC.
Capture us.
Moreover, iMac sales have done wonders to breathe life into Apple.
While the six-PCI-slot-hungry graphics users are villifying Apple, the home
users are loving `em. Apple sold 40,000 iMacs in the first weekend, and a
CompUSA exit poll showed that 15 percent of those were Windows users. The
tide has begun to turn just a bit, but even barring defectors, we have a
huge new home market (read: kids) who are just *waiting* to break out that
new G3 and slap a USB Top Gun joystick in it. I'm sure that GSC has done
their homework in the past, and come to a decision that makes financial
sense; all we can do now is hope that they'll reconsider given recent
events.
Hmmmmm. I suppose that was a little more than two cents, eh? =)
- Dan (ace)
"If there be a God, he must surely more approve of cynicism by
homage of reason than of acceptance by blind faith."
- Thomas Jefferson
deisman@ucla.edu
--
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: Re: (cww) Open Letter to GSC
Date: 22 Sep 1998 01:26:09 -0700
At 12:09 AM -0700 9/22/98, deisman@ucla.edu wrote:
> A few thoughts...
>
> The last time I talked with Gabe, PC sales accounted for nearly 90%
>of GSC's revenue. Apple's market share has dwindled to, by various
>estimates, between 3 and 6 percent. We can't blame GSC for putting such a
>low priority on Mac sales when revenues put bread on their table.
>
I have made the point GSC is a business and to expect otherwise is only
misleading. If they are going to abandon us, just say so. Don't treat us as
if we were ignorant of the realities. It's not just the customer support
that is bad, it is the rapport.
A couple of months ago, I had heard of a message relayed from Gabe that the
TCP/IP patch would be out a week later. Whatever happened with that and who
was responsible if it was false?
> I think one of the reasons that the PC numbers on the ladder are so
>low is the time that Hornet's had to penetrate the market. Given time, we
>might see a more equal ratio. And since Hornet was the only ticket in town
>for a long while on the Mac market, we took it upon ourselves to band
>together and form squadrons. We made sure that every hornet pilot knew
>where to come, and we had three years to recruit. PCers may be content to
>fly alone, or may have found other places to fly. Hell, they may still be
>looking for a place like #hornet...
>
The ladder numbers are very mature. The interest has leveled off and is
holding steady. HKPC has been on sale long enough that there is an
awareness. But once people settle into school and the high speed
connections they have at college now, interest may pick up and I will have
a better idea of interest levels for both Mac and PC. This fall may be very
telling since the iMac just coincidentally went on sale just as college
students were headed back.
I don't know about most of you, but I keep track of Falcon 4's progress. If
lives up to half it's promise, we will be saying GSC who.
dale
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: RE: (cww) Nice Letter
Date: 22 Sep 1998 13:41:19 -0700
Another one that bounced
>>From jlangdale@epicon.com Tue Sep 22 07:42:29 1998
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>From: Jonathan Langdale <jlangdale@epicon.com>
>To: cww@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: RE: (cww) Nice Letter
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>
>I want to say that hornet is the best flight sim I've ever played, I own
>both pc/mac version and korea too.
>
>If GSC made them network playable cross platform, they would rule. I think
>they should also try to do the VBE stuff a-10 did.
>
>I also like the new warbirds features of integrated troops etc. Someday it
>will happen when games like quake2 and warbirds or hornet will come together
>and interoperate. This I feel should be the goal of sims developers (smart
>ones anyway).
>
>As for mac vs pc and mac having tcp/ip I am a mac supporter from the start
>and still own my pmac but I rarely use it anymore. I mostly use NT now and
>I think this is might be the norm for most users. such as myself. The only
>way to keep the mac in the game I feel is to be like warbirds and support
>cross platform network play.
>
>My two cents..
>
>Jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-cww@lists.xmission.com
>[mailto:owner-cww@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dan Champagne
>Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 11:38 PM
>To: cww@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: (cww) Nice Letter
>
>
>With regards to the letter to GSC, nice going Dale. Very well put and to
>the point. I hounded GSC via the phone for TCP/IP and no joy. Sent E mails
>and no joy. So I gave up on them as far as a TCP/IP patch. It's nice that a
>fresh new approach to try to motivate them is taking place. Good comparison
>Mac VS PC. From what I see the Mac user per capita are far more interested
>in net flying vs our PC friends. Anyways, I for one would like to see
>TCP/IP for Korea as many others do. I guess all we can do is keep trying,
>maybe eventually they will do what they promised. From the data submitted
>one could surmise that TCP/IP for the Mac would encourage greater Mac
>sales. The IMac sales are very promising, hopefully those buying IMacs will
>add to growing interest in flying F-18. Zorro out.
>
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) What to do now
Date: 22 Sep 1998 14:02:21 -0700
With everyone having read the open letter to Trey, we need to follow thru
and let Trey and GSC know where we stand. We can't just say that what they
are doing is costing them our support, we have to let them know.
For those of you that want to, the addresses are:
trey@graphsim.com
support@graphsim.com
While we disagree on some aspects of GSC and Hornet, overall we agree that
GSC needs to follow thru on their product, develop better customer
support/rapport and involve the user (us) better. If they want the money,
they will have to a better job of giving us a reason for giving it to them
Dale
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Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) CWW ladders and msg boards
Date: 23 Sep 1998 02:32:56 -0700
At one time I announced that each of the CWW ladders had a msg board added
to it. I also pointed out they was a bug. I am pleased to announce that the
bugs are gone and the msg boards are fully functional.
As before, each ladder has it's own link to that ladder's msg board. The
msg board is not solely limited to topics regarding the sim for that
ladder, but I suspect that will be the case. The only rules are common
sense and courtesy, otherwise you are free to say what you want. The ladder
does have a built in banning function that uses IP numbers.
Another function of the msg boards is the ability to subscribe to the msg
board in case you don't want to have to check it all the time.
In the near future, the CWW will be providing all member organizations and
squadrons of the CWW with their own msg boards when requested. But these
msg boards will have password only access. I expect that this will be
available within 10 to 14 days.
Also being planned is a sq vs sq only competition ladder. It will require
at least a 2 vs 2 arrangement with each of the 2 to be from the same sq.
For flight sims that offer more player support, it will be more. This is
something that has been in the works for 2 years and is tenative as to when
and if it will be available.
Dale
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Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
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Flight Sim Competition Ladders
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) There can only be one....one more time :)
Date: 27 Sep 1998 13:29:46 -0700
Hiyas,
For those of you that enjoyed Highlander but hated the sequel, we are going
directly the real sequel, Highlander 3. I think that's appropriate as the
menace of the past reappearing in the present seems right :)
The HKM tournament that wouldn't die (just like Highlander) is back again
and better then before. The rules will remain the same as before. The date
for the tourney will be Oct 17 at 4pm EST on the Dalnet channel #hornet.
You can review the rules and tourney info at the tourney web page
(http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/GS.html). The thing that is
different this time is that there will be prizes.
Thanks to GTT software, the winner of the tournament will recieve a copy of
GTT's skin paint software for HKM. In addition, the top pilot on the HKM
ladder by 12 midnight on Sat, Oct 17 will also recieve a copy of the skin
paint. And the top squadron on the ladder at that time will recieve a
squadron only ladder to use for one month. And the top squadron will
recieve, to permanetly keep, their own message board. Both the ladder and
message board will be set for password only access. This is in addition to
being to the winner and runnerup joining the CWW Aggressor Sq of their
choice. The squadron that you can ONLY get into by winning.
For you ladder players, I will be keeping a close eye on the HKM ladder for
any unusual activity and will exercise editing as is warranted. If you have
any complaints about any match or person, please let me know immediately
HKM has not had the support that H3 has had, or even H2. But it does enjoy
being a current release and the support of 3rd parties such as GTT. So here
we go again ....
Dale
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Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
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Flight Sim Competition Ladders
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From: Justin Madden <jmadden@mail.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: (cww) There can only be one....one more time :)
Date: 28 Sep 1998 07:02:21 -0000
I would love to have a fly for this tournament, but unfortunately the
night prior is my final dinner (ball), which means that the alcohol
levels in my blood stream will exceed minimum safety requirements for
safe (let alone able) flying.
zipp :)
Alcohol is bad...MMmmkaaay?
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) One more thing
Date: 27 Sep 1998 23:39:03 -0700
Registration for the next HKM tourney starts immediately and will close on
Oct 14 at 12 midnight pacific US time (+8 GMT)
After registration closes, brackets will be generated and distributed with
24 to 36 hours.
Dale
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Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
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Flight Sim Competition Ladders
http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
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From: "Hiram C. Wilson" <hiram@nauticom.net>
Subject: (cww) Subject: A journalist searches for hard-core flight sim players.
Date: 28 Sep 1998 02:56:05 -0400
Hello,
I thought you guys would like to see this and perhaps respond.
Hiram
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Message-id: <6ucf22$7v0@chronicle.concentric.net>
...for hard-core flight sim players. I'm doing a story about computer
game
"extremists" who buy special equipment and spend long hours mastering
complex and demanding games. As I understand it, the flight sim buffs are
the hardest of the hard core.
Here's what I want to know:
How did you get interested in flight sims? How much have you spent on
hardware and software in pursuit of your hobby, and what did you spend the
money on--in other words, what cool gadgets do you have?
Are you interested in military sims--dogfighting? Tell me about some of
your best battles. Or are you into the civilian sims like Microsoft
Flight
Simulator? Some people might find that game rather dull. I want to know
why you find it exciting.
Ideally, I'd like to hear from people in the Boston area, but people from
other regions are welcome. I want to quote you in the article and include
your name, age, occupation and the community where you live.
If you'd like to be in the article, or want more information, please
contact
me by phone or e-mail ASAP. Thanks.
Hiawatha Bray
Technology Reporter
Boston Globe
watha@monitortan.com
bray@globe.com
617-929-3115
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) From MacCentral
Date: 28 Sep 1998 13:16:51 -0700
G3 Cache Control 1.3 fixes minor bug
by MacCentral Staff, email@maccentral.com
http://www.maccentral.com/news/9809/26.cache.shtml
G3 Cache Control 1.3 is used to configure the backside cache on all
models of PowerForce G3 and PowerForce G3 ZIF. It will also boost the
backside cache speed on the following Apple models: PowerMac G3,
PowerBook G3, and iMac, however only if the cache SRAMs on those models
are capable of the faster speeds. Capabilities include...
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From: deisman@ucla.edu
Subject: Re: (cww) From MacCentral
Date: 28 Sep 1998 14:38:35 -0700
>G3 Cache Control 1.3 is used to configure the backside cache on all
>models of PowerForce G3 and PowerForce G3 ZIF. It will also boost the
>backside cache speed on the following Apple models: PowerMac G3,
>PowerBook G3, and iMac, however only if the cache SRAMs on those models
>are capable of the faster speeds. Capabilities include...
Just thought I'd share my experience. The darned thing actually
had a setting for my G3/300, so I fiddled with the backside cache speeds,
and whudduyuknow - my benchmarks went from 1050 to 1100 when I changed the
2:1 ratio to 1.5:1. Hey, it's a free 4% speed increase... =)
Of course, it crashes if I try 1:1. No worries - I'll take what I
can get.
- Dan (Ace)
"If there be a God, he must surely more approve of cynicism by
homage of reason than of acceptance by blind faith."
- Thomas Jefferson
deisman@ucla.edu
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) Contest Reminder
Date: 29 Sep 1998 13:29:09 -0700
In addition to the HKM tournament, the people on the HKM ladder are part of
the rewards too. The top squadron will get a full scale ladder of their own
for a month and a permanet addition of a msg board just like each of the
ladders now use.. And the top pilot will get a copy of GTT's skin paint
software for HK.
This ONLY lasts till the end of the HKM tourney on Oct 17. So if you or
your sqaudron is going to improve your position on the ladder, you better
hurry.
And those of you that are thinking about being in the tourney, when the
registration closes, it is closed.
Dale
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Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
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Flight Sim Competition Ladders
http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
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From: Dale <cdb@inficad.com>
Subject: (cww) Contest Reminder
Date: 29 Sep 1998 13:29:09 -0700
In addition to the HKM tournament, the people on the HKM ladder are part of
the rewards too. The top squadron will get a full scale ladder of their own
for a month and a permanet addition of a msg board just like each of the
ladders now use.. And the top pilot will get a copy of GTT's skin paint
software for HK.
This ONLY lasts till the end of the HKM tourney on Oct 17. So if you or
your sqaudron is going to improve your position on the ladder, you better
hurry.
And those of you that are thinking about being in the tourney, when the
registration closes, it is closed.
Dale
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Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618
Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb
To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver:
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html
IRC channels #macflightsims - #fscombat, all on Dalnet
http://www.tcsn.net/jardine/macflightsims
http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Services/irc.html
Flight Sim Competition Ladders
http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html
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