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From: "Ryan Stanley" <rayns@blarg.net>
Subject: Re: (cww) Impressions of the Hornet Korea Demo
Date: 30 Jan 1974 21:32:27 +0000
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i agree very much so.
From what people i've talked to across the board as far as mac processor and
machine configurations go, everyone has experienced frame-rate lacking in
800x600 res.
What clued me in to the problem being the Mac drivers, was that when i spoke
with Techworks they said it was probably GSC's software but when i spoke
with GSC they said it was probably the Techworks card. Now i tend to be an
optimist and assume that both of these parties are not lying. And then i
thought about all the Macintosh performance degradation related to poor
drivers and realized that must be it.
Does anyone have any word of the possibility of updated Mac 3DFX drivers?
ryan
----------
>From: "Mark Eastwold " <marke@knology.net>
>To: cww@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: (cww) Impressions of the Hornet Korea Demo
>Date: Tue, Mar 10, 1998, 3:20 AM
>
>My advise is to wait until a card becomes available that has more
>memory and more features. And faster.
>
>
>The only card officially available for the Mac is the TechWorks card.
>Other (PC) cards can be used - but probably won't be supported on the
>Mac. i.e., The Diamond Monster 3D is being used by various Mac users.
>
>
>Currently, 3Dfx has poor frame rate at 800x600. TechWorks & GSC blames
>the low memory (4meg). But Mac drivers with other than the TechWorks
>cards with 8 megs have similar problems.
>
>
>The card works peachy keen at 640x480 - but the eye candy isn't as
>good. Nor is the resolution (obviously!). View the difference in the
>cockpit between 640x480 and 800x600 with whatever version Hornet you
>have without a 3Dfx card. The Cockpit just doesn't look as nifty at the
>lower resolution. Much less what you'll be seeing outside the cockpit.
>
>
>>From what all have experienced - the problems isn't so much the card as
>it is with the drivers. PC users have not complained about poor frame
>rate at 800x600 no matter what card they've been using. Mac users have
>poor resolution at 800x600 no matter what card they've been using - and
>no matter how much memory the card has.
>
>
>It's pretty much common knowledge (at least with us Mac drivers) that a
>PC vs Mac with the same speed processor - the Mac will process faster
>than a PC. Mediocre speed PCs - no 3Dfx problems. Speedy Macs (250 Mhz
>604e or G3 boxes) - crummy frame rate.
>
>
>This leaves the only thing being left - the drivers. 3Dfx writes the
>drivers - Mac & PC versions, and the various card manufacturers
>distribute the drivers.
>
>
>The current card by TechWorks is <bold>not</bold> upgradeable. And from
>my conversations with them they have no plans to offer trade-ins or any
>other upgrade path.
>
>
>Unless 3Dfx optimizes the current drivers, I'd probably wait for the
>next generation of 3Dfx.
>
>
>By mid year the next generation of VooDoo should be out (for the Mac) -
>cards with much more speed, memory, and other nifty features.
>
>
>btw - TechWorks advises the thrifty Mac driver to buy the PC version of
>the card and download the Mac drivers. The PC version doesn't include
>all the games & demos that the Mac version does and so has a much lower
>price tag.
>
>
>me
>
>
>p.s. There is a freeware utility - The Tweeker - that allow one to
>modify the 3Dfx card settings. It doesn't help the Hornet problem
>
>
>Rats...
>
>
>
>
>>Dale,
>
>>
>
>>What 3Dfx card is best for Power Mac. I'm using Power Center Pro
>from
>
>>Power Computing 180MHz?
>
>>Thinking of installing one for Hornet Korea. What do you recommend?
>
>>Like the Korea Demo. Must get the real thing.
>
>>Thanks,
>
>>
>
>>Robert
>
>>--
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
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<FONT SIZE=3D"2">i agree very much so.<BR>
<BR>
From what people i've talked to across the board as far as mac processor an=
d machine configurations go, everyone has experienced frame-rate lacking in =
800x600 res. <BR>
<BR>
What clued me in to the problem being the Mac drivers, was that when i spok=
e with Techworks they said it was probably GSC's software but when i spoke w=
ith GSC they said it was probably the Techworks card. Now i tend to be an op=
timist and assume that both of these parties are not lying. And then i thoug=
ht about all the Macintosh performance degradation related to poor drivers a=
nd realized that must be it.<BR>
<BR>
Does anyone have any word of the possibility of updated Mac 3DFX drivers?<B=
R>
<BR>
ryan<BR>
<BR>
----------<BR>
>From: "Mark Eastwold " <marke@knology.net><BR>
>To: cww@lists.xmission.com<BR>
>Subject: Re: (cww) Impressions of the Hornet Korea Demo<BR>
>Date: Tue, Mar 10, 1998, 3:20 AM<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
>My advise is to wait until a card becomes available that has more<BR>
>memory and more features. And faster.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>The only card officially available for the Mac is the TechWorks card.<B=
R>
>Other (PC) cards can be used - but probably won't be supported on the<B=
R>
>Mac. i.e., The Diamond Monster 3D is being used by various Mac users.<B=
R>
><BR>
><BR>
>Currently, 3Dfx has poor frame rate at 800x600. TechWorks & GSC bla=
mes<BR>
>the low memory (4meg). But Mac drivers with other than the TechWorks<BR=
>
>cards with 8 megs have similar problems.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>The card works peachy keen at 640x480 - but the eye candy isn't as<BR>
>good. Nor is the resolution (obviously!). View the difference in the<BR=
>
>cockpit between 640x480 and 800x600 with whatever version Hornet you<BR=
>
>have without a 3Dfx card. The Cockpit just doesn't look as nifty at the=
<BR>
>lower resolution. Much less what you'll be seeing outside the cockpit.<=
BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>>From what all have experienced - the problems isn't so much the car=
d as<BR>
>it is with the drivers. PC users have not complained about poor frame<B=
R>
>rate at 800x600 no matter what card they've been using. Mac users have<=
BR>
>poor resolution at 800x600 no matter what card they've been using - and=
<BR>
>no matter how much memory the card has.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>It's pretty much common knowledge (at least with us Mac drivers) that a=
<BR>
>PC vs Mac with the same speed processor - the Mac will process faster<B=
R>
>than a PC. Mediocre speed PCs - no 3Dfx problems. Speedy Macs (250 Mhz<=
BR>
>604e or G3 boxes) - crummy frame rate.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>This leaves the only thing being left - the drivers. 3Dfx writes the<BR=
>
>drivers - Mac & PC versions, and the various card manufacturers<BR>
>distribute the drivers.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>The current card by TechWorks is <bold>not</bold> upgradeab=
le. And from<BR>
>my conversations with them they have no plans to offer trade-ins or any=
<BR>
>other upgrade path.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>Unless 3Dfx optimizes the current drivers, I'd probably wait for the<BR=
>
>next generation of 3Dfx.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>By mid year the next generation of VooDoo should be out (for the Mac) -=
<BR>
>cards with much more speed, memory, and other nifty features.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>btw - TechWorks advises the thrifty Mac driver to buy the PC version of=
<BR>
>the card and download the Mac drivers. The PC version doesn't include<B=
R>
>all the games & demos that the Mac version does and so has a much l=
ower<BR>
>price tag.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>me<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>p.s. There is a freeware utility - The Tweeker - that allow one to<BR>
>modify the 3Dfx card settings. It doesn't help the Hornet problem<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>Rats...<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>>Dale,<BR>
><BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
>>What 3Dfx card is best for Power Mac. I'm using Power Center Pro<B=
R>
>from<BR>
><BR>
>>Power Computing 180MHz?<BR>
><BR>
>>Thinking of installing one for Hornet Korea. What do you recommend=
?<BR>
><BR>
>>Like the Korea Demo. Must get the real thing.<BR>
><BR>
>>Thanks,<BR>
><BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
>>Robert<BR>
><BR>
>>--<BR>
><BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
>> <BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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From: "Ryan Stanley" <rayns@blarg.net>
Subject: Re: (cww) Impressions of the Hornet Korea Demo NON html version
Date: 30 Jan 1974 21:39:05 +0000
i agree very much so.
From what people i've talked to across the board as far as mac processor and
machine configurations go, everyone has experienced frame-rate lacking in
800x600 res.
What clued me in to the problem being the Mac drivers, was that when i spoke
with Techworks they said it was probably GSC's software but when i spoke
with GSC they said it was probably the Techworks card. Now i tend to be an
optimist and assume that both of these parties are not lying. And then i
thought about all the Macintosh performance degradation related to poor
drivers and realized that must be it.
Does anyone have any word of the possibility of updated Mac 3DFX drivers?
ryan
----------
>From: "Mark Eastwold " <marke@knology.net>
>To: cww@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: (cww) Impressions of the Hornet Korea Demo
>Date: Tue, Mar 10, 1998, 3:20 AM
>
>My advise is to wait until a card becomes available that has more
>memory and more features. And faster.
>
>
>The only card officially available for the Mac is the TechWorks card.
>Other (PC) cards can be used - but probably won't be supported on the
>Mac. i.e., The Diamond Monster 3D is being used by various Mac users.
>
>
>Currently, 3Dfx has poor frame rate at 800x600. TechWorks & GSC blames
>the low memory (4meg). But Mac drivers with other than the TechWorks
>cards with 8 megs have similar problems.
>
>
>The card works peachy keen at 640x480 - but the eye candy isn't as
>good. Nor is the resolution (obviously!). View the difference in the
>cockpit between 640x480 and 800x600 with whatever version Hornet you
>have without a 3Dfx card. The Cockpit just doesn't look as nifty at the
>lower resolution. Much less what you'll be seeing outside the cockpit.
>
>
>>From what all have experienced - the problems isn't so much the card as
>it is with the drivers. PC users have not complained about poor frame
>rate at 800x600 no matter what card they've been using. Mac users have
>poor resolution at 800x600 no matter what card they've been using - and
>no matter how much memory the card has.
>
>
>It's pretty much common knowledge (at least with us Mac drivers) that a
>PC vs Mac with the same speed processor - the Mac will process faster
>than a PC. Mediocre speed PCs - no 3Dfx problems. Speedy Macs (250 Mhz
>604e or G3 boxes) - crummy frame rate.
>
>
>This leaves the only thing being left - the drivers. 3Dfx writes the
>drivers - Mac & PC versions, and the various card manufacturers
>distribute the drivers.
>
>
>The current card by TechWorks is <bold>not</bold> upgradeable. And from
>my conversations with them they have no plans to offer trade-ins or any
>other upgrade path.
>
>
>Unless 3Dfx optimizes the current drivers, I'd probably wait for the
>next generation of 3Dfx.
>
>
>By mid year the next generation of VooDoo should be out (for the Mac) -
>cards with much more speed, memory, and other nifty features.
>
>
>btw - TechWorks advises the thrifty Mac driver to buy the PC version of
>the card and download the Mac drivers. The PC version doesn't include
>all the games & demos that the Mac version does and so has a much lower
>price tag.
>
>
>me
>
>
>p.s. There is a freeware utility - The Tweeker - that allow one to
>modify the 3Dfx card settings. It doesn't help the Hornet problem
>
>
>Rats...
>
>
>
>
>>Dale,
>
>>
>
>>What 3Dfx card is best for Power Mac. I'm using Power Center Pro
>from
>
>>Power Computing 180MHz?
>
>>Thinking of installing one for Hornet Korea. What do you recommend?
>
>>Like the Korea Demo. Must get the real thing.
>
>>Thanks,
>
>>
>
>>Robert
>
>>--
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>
>