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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Message from Brian
Date: 01 Sep 1998 05:57:02 -0600

Speaking of Publicity . . .  I have not seen Harvest War in any of the
Southwind Publications I have received recently.  Am I just blind?
(I know there are a lot of people planning on attending, so they must
have
seen it somewhere.)
                                         Kensai









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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Message from Brian
Date: 01 Sep 1998 06:50:54 -0700

> Speaking of Publicity . . .  I have not seen Harvest War in any of the
> Southwind Publications I have received recently.  Am I just blind?
> (I know there are a lot of people planning on attending, so they must
> have
> seen it somewhere.)
>                                          Kensai
>
>
Maybe the reason you haven't seen the announcement is because you are
getting the wrong newsletter?  The Kingdom newsletter is the Sage.
Contact the Kingdom Seneschal if you are indeed receiving the
Southwind.  Now, if it is the Sage you are receiving, the
announcement has been in the August and September issues (however,
the directions are wrong.  I believe they say to go East after taking
the Brigham City exit . . . )

Rebecca



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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Message from Brian
Date: 01 Sep 1998 08:06:17 -0600


The directions say turn west, but should say turn east.  Fortunately the
road doesn't go very far west at that point.
Landolf





[e-mail] on 09/01/98 07:50:54 AM

Please respond to [e-mail]

cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)




> Speaking of Publicity . . .  I have not seen Harvest War in any of the
> Southwind Publications I have received recently.  Am I just blind?
> (I know there are a lot of people planning on attending, so they must
> have
> seen it somewhere.)
>                                          Kensai
>
>
Maybe the reason you haven't seen the announcement is because you are
getting the wrong newsletter?  The Kingdom newsletter is the Sage.
Contact the Kingdom Seneschal if you are indeed receiving the
Southwind.  Now, if it is the Sage you are receiving, the
announcement has been in the August and September issues (however,
the directions are wrong.  I believe they say to go East after taking
the Brigham City exit . . . )
Rebecca










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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Message from Brian
Date: 01 Sep 1998 19:31:30 -0600

Boy do I ever feel silly.   :)
          Kensai






"Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]> on 09/01/98
07:50:54 AM

Please respond to [e-mail]

cc:    (bcc: Brian Allred/UT/ASP)




> Speaking of Publicity . . .  I have not seen Harvest War in any of the

> Southwind Publications I have received recently.  Am I just blind?
> (I know there are a lot of people planning on attending, so they must
> have
> seen it somewhere.)
>                                          Kensai
>
>
Maybe the reason you haven't seen the announcement is because you are
getting the wrong newsletter?  The Kingdom newsletter is the Sage.
Contact the Kingdom Seneschal if you are indeed receiving the
Southwind.  Now, if it is the Sage you are receiving, the
announcement has been in the August and September issues (however,
the directions are wrong.  I believe they say to go East after taking
the Brigham City exit . . . )

Rebecca













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From: Pug <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Cry havoc, and let loose the dogs....
Date: 01 Sep 1998 20:03:27 -0600 (MDT)


>Harvest War is not the time or place for someone to 'put on some loaner
>armor and "give it a try''', at least not in the melee scenarios.  If your
>brother-in-law wants have a go at you in single combat under the
>supervision of marshals that's fine, but I, for one, will not allow anyone
>who hasn't had at least a little training onto the field.  I realize that
>we have been very lenient in the past, allowing just about everyone who
>showed up to fight, but that attitude needs to change and we will conduct
>more thorough checks of authorizations, weapons, and armor this year.
>Landolf


 Vivat & here here, I agree completely

Angus, Harvest War Autocrat

P.S. Sorry I am replying late, I am having a bear of a time getting my modem up
and running, and until school started I couldn't get up to the labs. I'll be
doing better from now on.






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From: Pug <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Message from Brian
Date: 01 Sep 1998 20:15:23 -0600 (MDT)


>The directions say turn west, but should say turn east.  Fortunately the
>road doesn't go very far west at that point.
>Landolf

Sorry, If I had seen the problem in the August I would have fixed it for the
September, but I haven't gotten a Sage since June.

Isn't moving fun!

Angus



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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Forwarded Joke
Date: 04 Sep 1998 06:14:01 -0600

Sitting on the side of the highway waiting to catch speeding drivers, a
State Police Officer sees a car puttering along at 22 MPH.

He thinks to himself, "This driver is just as dangerous as a speeder!"
So he turns on his lights and pulls the driver over.

Approaching the car, he notices that there are five old ladies-two in
the front seat and three in the back-wide eyed and white as ghosts.  The

driver, obviously confused, says to him, "Officer, I don't understand,
I was doing exactly the speed limit! What seems to be the problem?"

"Ma'am," the officer replies, "you weren't speeding, but you should
know that driving slower than the speed limit can also be a danger to
other
drivers."

"Slower than the speed limit? No sir, I was doing the speed limit
exactly...Twenty- two miles an hour!" the old woman says a bit proudly.

The State Police officer, trying to contain a chuckle explains to her
that "22" was the route number, not the speed limit.

A bit embarrassed, the woman grinned and thanked the officer for
pointing out her error.

"But before I let you go, Ma'am, I have to ask... Is everyone in this
car OK? These women seem awfully shaken and they haven't muttered a
single
peep this whole time," the officer asks.

"Oh, they'll be all right in a minute officer. We just got off Route
119."




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From: Pug <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) HARVEST WAR
Date: 09 Sep 1998 11:25:01 -0700 (MST)

Angus here.

Francesca and I went up the the site yesterday, and I have some questions for
the list as a whole and those good gentles with more Harvest experience than I
in particular.

    First off, there will be courts. Where do we usually hold them? We
don't take up many chairs, how do we deal with the mechanics of them, I have
been having a hard time visualizing it.

    HL Lynette had the idea of setting up the Shire pavilion on the far
side of the firepit in area A. We checked that out, and we think that will
work. Also, the trail that extends back to the individual campsites behind A is
in many places wide enough to put in tents. There are at least 2 places where
we could put our tent, and several smaller such areas, all without blocking the
trail. Maybe we could put a few such tents up back in that area? We have
discussed using the Shire Pavilion for a slumber party/mass sleeping room. I
have considered putting up our tent back of the Pavilion and using it's two
side cabins as Lord's and Ladies dressing chambers, which will be quite useful
to have if we do use the Pavilion in that way. Any ideas along these lines
would be helpful.

    The current (as of 10 minutes ago) fire risk is 'moderate,' no fire
restrictions. while I at least am praying for a dry event, I am also praying
for some good wet this week and maybe monday & tuesday next week. Any who wish
to join me are welcome!

    We usually put Thunder up on the administrative site, away from the
permanent residents. I am wondering how much of that meddow we have access too,
and would it be possible to put even more people than just Thunder up there?
Perhaps on the other side of the traditional battlefield? I don't want campers
to get in the way of the fighting, but it was kind of nice to have the
battlefield surrounded by campsites at Estrella, and it would give us more
room.

    With the increased number of people we are expecting, should I ask for
more Port-a-potties? I am going to specifically ask for a handicaped accessible
one for sure. We currently have 3 on order, but the dealer told me to call him
monday and verify it. I could easily change my order at that time. Any ideas?

For anybody interested in our Thursday night prep thing, I have reserved Area A
(the usual shire area). This is both bigger, more convenient, and cheaper than
previous ideas, so take that into consideration.

Comments and discussion on any of these ideas, and any other you may have,
would be greatly appreciated. I beg them, actually.

Yours in Service,
Angus



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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) HARVEST WAR
Date: 09 Sep 1998 13:30:38 -0600





Angus wrote: (much snippage)



>     First off, there will be courts. Where do we usually hold them? We
      >don't take up many chairs, how do we deal with the mechanics of
      them, I have
      >been having a hard time visualizing it.

Usually courts are held in the hollow among the trees where the tables are.
This area provides seating, shade, and some seclusion.


>    HL Lynette had the idea of setting up the Shire pavilion on the far
>side of the firepit in area A. We checked that out, and we think that will
>work. Also, the trail that extends back to the individual campsites behind
A is
>in many places wide enough to put in tents. There are at least 2 places
where
>we could put our tent, and several smaller such areas, all without
blocking the
>trail. Maybe we could put a few such tents up back in that area? We have
>discussed using the Shire Pavilion for a slumber party/mass sleeping room.
I
>have considered putting up our tent back of the Pavilion and using it's
two
>side cabins as Lord's and Ladies dressing chambers, which will be quite
useful
>to have if we do use the Pavilion in that way. Any ideas along these lines
>would be helpful.

This sounds workable.


>    We usually put Thunder up on the administrative site, away from the
>permanent residents. I am wondering how much of that meddow we have access
too,
>and would it be possible to put even more people than just Thunder up
there?
>Perhaps on the other side of the traditional battlefield? I don't want
campers
>to get in the way of the fighting, but it was kind of nice to have the
>battlefield surrounded by campsites at Estrella, and it would give us more
>room.

The fence at the far end (south) of the open field is the end of that area.
There is usually so much debris at the north end that I wouldn't suggest
putting anyone there.  To the west of the trees in the admin area is a
fairly open place where we once had archery that could be used for camping,
no trees though.  To the east of the debris on the main field is a place
for a few tents. Earl Sir Reynard had his pavillion there last year.  We
could use the area west of the road through the battlefield near the woods
battle site for some tents.


>    With the increased number of people we are expecting, should I ask for
>more Port-a-potties? I am going to specifically ask for a handicaped
accessible
>one for sure. We currently have 3 on order, but the dealer told me to call
him
>monday and verify it. I could easily change my order at that time. Any
ideas?

The potty guy told me last year that the only potty that got heavy use was
the one in the admin area.  If we put more people up there we WILL need
more potties there.  The potty in the admin area was a handicap accessible,
this probably should have been put in the main camping area.  Areas A, B
and C are not so very far from the flush toilets.  If you have two placed
in the parking lot between C and D and two up in the admin area that should
suffice.


>    The current (as of 10 minutes ago) fire risk is 'moderate,' no fire
>restrictions. while I at least am praying for a dry event, I am also
praying
>for some good wet this week and maybe monday & tuesday next week. Any who
wish
>to join me are welcome!

Yes, pray for rain before the event.

Landolf







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From: Pug <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Harvest war
Date: 09 Sep 1998 15:36:02 -0700 (MST)

Angus here

Mistress Rebecca responded personally to this post earlier, and there are some
things in it I think we all should see, so I am forwarding much. I will add a
few comments.

>>     We usually put Thunder up on the administrative site, away from the
>> permanent residents. I am wondering how much of that meddow we have access too,
>> and would it be possible to put even more people than just Thunder up there?
<snip>
Landolph recomended increasing camping there by essentially swelling the size
of the camp. We could do that.

>I *definitely* wouldn't allow fires of any kind in the meadow (no
>campstoves, coleman lanterns, candles, nothing).

Yep.

>Have you figured out what you are going to do for a fire lane?

I haven't (though I should have) thought about that. Were you refering to the
space behind A? I don't think we should block the trail, just be next to it. I
don't remember any street's etc. in any of the camping areas last year. any
recomendations?

>Traditionally the Troll booth has been in Area B.  Could it be set
>up at the top of the hill where people turn left to come into the
>campsite?  That would free another large camping spot in
>area B.  It would also free up several parking places closer to
>campsites.  Rixa could park her van right by the pavillion to watch
>her sleeping kids.  (if you can't figure out where I am thinking of,
>let me know)

That is a good idea. We had thought of putting it in that little spur of area
B, in front of the Forest service sign/map (Would that be okay?) That is a
little space, which could be used. We have usually put merchants in area B, and
they often camp with their stuff. Do we expect that again?  I was planning on
it.

>I think the shire has extra paper towels and toilet paper.  I know
>there are garbage bags.  I will try to remember to bring that stuff
>tonight for you.  I bought a bunch of hot chocolate at Maceys the
>other day--it was half price.  Usually there is hot chocolate
>available at Troll.

Good idea.

>Are you planning a volunteer raffle?

I wasn't orriginally, but with increassed attendance, I think it will be a good
idea. I have told all merchants that I may request a small gift for such a
raffle, and none seemed to mind.

>Do you have a chirurgeon lined up?  Does the shire have a first aid
>kit?

Lady Camilla has agreed to be my deputy Event steward for Chiurgeon and water
bearing. She was also investigating a Shire first aid kit. I should follow up
on her...

>Do you want us to have our cell phone on site?

Please. We don't want any emergencies, but if there are any, it would be
invaluable.

>The following is an issue that comes up everytime there is an event.
>I would like to clarify the policy now so that there is no
>mis-understanding:
>
>Sitting Royalty, ie Kings, Queens, Princes, Princesses, Crown Princes
>and Princes, get in free.  Children of said Sitting Royalty get in
>free.  Barons/Baronesses do not (they are not actually Royalty).
>Members of their entourage do not.  Former Royalty do not.
>
>The Event Steward and Event Steward Personal Assistant (read: spouse)
>get in free.  No one else in the shire does.  No one else who helps
>with the event does. The reason I bring all this up is that one year
>the Event Steward told all his helpers (from security people to
>deputy stewards) that they wouldn't have to pay.  Basically, no one
>in the shire was going to pay the event fee (which could amount to
>some $300 or more in fees).
>
>The site fee is $10.  If you camp overnight 1 night or 2 nights it is
>$10.  If you come to 2 or 3 days of the event but don't camp it is
>$10.  Pretty much the only people who pay $5 are those who show up
>Saturday morning and leave Saturday night.  There has been confusion
>in the shire in the past with this.  Especially since many people
>went home each night.  I look at it this way--we can all pay the $10
>now and get it over with, or be nickle-and-dimed to death all year
>long because we didn't make enough money at the shire premiere event.
> Also, setting the policy straight right up front prevents us (the
>Trolls) from having to review each person on a case-by-case basis.
>"let's see you were here from xx to xx, then you left, then came back
>at xx, then left again, then stayed till xx . . . okay, that puts you
>just under the maximum number of hours for $5 fee" (I am not going to
>check people in and out!)
>
>I think it needs to be made clear that ALL shire members are expected
>to be on site Sunday afternoon for cleanup.  There have been years
>when the whole place was cleaned up by half-a-dozen or fewer people.
>EVERYONE is tired after a long event.  The cleanup should not be left
>to just a few.


Everybody pay attention to this. I will read this bit aloud at Fighter practice
tonight, it is important.

>It is usually very hard to get Thunder off the site.  They like to
>take their time getting up and packing.  Expect to be on site until 5
>or 6 on Sunday getting rid of them.  I wonder if we could institute a
>fee for those people who can't seem to get off site by the time the
>site closes?  Could we announce at Court that we will be charged for
>an extra day if we are not cleaned up and gone by a certain time?
>(even if we won't be charged the fee, it might motivate people.
>Don't let *anyone* know that the fee won't really be charged)  Tell
>people that we will pass the "charge" on to them--"if you are the
>ones responsible for us getting charged the fee for the extra day
>because you didn't get off site, you will be the ones paying the
>fee."  Actually, this was incredibly motivating for the first
>Coronation.  We had to be off site by midnight or pay for another
>day.

This is a good idea, I will deffinetely do so. I will also enforce it on Shire
members. (the packing up part. Don't you dare leave!)

>I think you ought to have a sign up sheet for the meal Saturday
>night.  If someone plans to bring a guest, they need to indicate
>that.  Last year we had a tentative count; then all of a sudden there
>were people there that we didn't even know were coming to the event.
>(at the Renaissance Faire meal--there were people there that I didn't
>even know and had never seen before.  What were they doing eating our
>food??)  It actually would be good to get the money now.  I
>personally would not want to have to deal with collecting money as
>people come to eat  "oh, I left my pouch in the tent--I'll pay
>later"; or "can I have get an IOU" then we have to worry about
>keeping track of this person.

Good thoughts, but I haven't been paying much attention to the dinner (other
than planning it for Friday night!). I thought Lady Isabeau, HL Lynnette and
Master Jurgi were planning that, I was letting it happen. I am not adverse to
saying "No money, no food" though. Prepayment would, of course, be acceptable.

YiS

Angus



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) Crown Tourney...A Gentle Reminder
Date: 16 Sep 1998 13:01:58 -0700

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Reply-to:      [e-mail]

Unto the Populace of Artemisia does the Shire of Gryphon's Lair send
greetings.  This is a gentle reminder that the Crown Tournament for selecting
the Artemisian Heirs is to be held October 10th at the Comfort Suites Inn in
Ogden, Utah.  If you are planning on attending Feast, we need PAID
reservations no later than October 1.  This is a catered feast, and we need to
pre-pay and verify with the caterer the Number of people they are cooking for!
Therefore, an unpaid reservation is considered no reservation, and you will
not eat.  No off board seating can be allowed in the feast hall, due to site
contract regulations.  This is all per the site owner, not us, so please
understand.  Court is to be held after Feast at Their Majesties' discretion.

If you are interested in taking advantage of the discounted hotel room rates
of $62 + tax per night (a room will sleep up to 6 people!) you must arrange
this with the hotel.  1-800-462-9925 is the worldwide #, 801-621-2545 is the
local #.  You must tell them you want the "medieval conference" rate.

There is little to no shade, so period pavilions/sunshades are welcome,
contact the Autocrat for more info.

Merchants are welcomed with open checkbooks!

For questions or further information, contact HL Don Tarkash at
[e-mail], Viscountess Mistress Lynn at [e-mail], or Lady
Margaret Anne of Somerset at 801-774-6703.



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Harvest War
Date: 16 Sep 1998 13:04:29 -0700

Angus, please e-mail me privately (or if anyone can tell me his
address, I can e-mail him)

Rebecca



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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Polter Jurgi
Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:46:02 -0700

Hello one and All!  I am like a bad Polter Geist.  My machine is back on
the server and I can now recieve mail and send those dippy messages you
all groan at!  Isn't this exciting?  I'm
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!



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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Polter Jurgi
Date: 16 Sep 1998 15:24:47 -0600

Jurgi,
Welcome back.  Maybe now this list won't be so dead.   We don't have a
ghost of a chance to outdo your witticisms.  We all pale in comparison to
you.
( I just had to try to get the first ones in.)
Landolf




Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 09/16/98 04:46:02 PM

Please respond to [e-mail]

cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)




Hello one and All!  I am like a bad Polter Geist.  My machine is back on
the server and I can now recieve mail and send those dippy messages you
all groan at!  Isn't this exciting?  I'm
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!










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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Harvest War
Date: 16 Sep 1998 14:26:49 PDT


Mistress Rebecca,

You've probably already contacted Angus, but just in case, here's his
address:  [e-mail]

I also want to apologise for not calling you back, Arkasha /did/ tell em
you called, I believe it was Sunday.  I've been such a scatter-brain
that I didn't remember until I saw your name on the list mail!
Hopefully, I'll see you tonight at fighters' practice.

Camilla



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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) HARVEST WAR
Date: 17 Sep 1998 09:46:10 PDT


Rixa,

Please contact me in private mail so we can get started on the
chiurgeon's bag!  Thanks!!  :)

Camilla
[e-mail]


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From: "Seamas Connough" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Fw: [CLANNADA] Words To Live By
Date: 20 Sep 1998 15:03:22 -0600

Isn't this grand?

Tha barrachd dΘidh agam air Craobhan, na th' agam air Daoine....

**Interested in the gaidhlig language or in things Celtic?**
**Living near Salt Lake City or Logan Utah? Contact me!**

Seamas Connough MacGriogair -- [e-mail]
>
>> The following
>>>are words ascribed to Chief Tecumseh, Shawnee Nation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
>>>Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and
>>>demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life,
>>>beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its
>>>purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for
>>>the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign
>>>of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a
>>>lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you
>>>arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.
>>>If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.
>>>Abuse no one and nothing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs
>>>the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like
>>>those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their
>>>time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives
>>>over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero
>>>going home."__ Chief Tecumseh, Shawnee Nation
>>
>>
>




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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) [Fwd: Re: Harvest War
Date: 22 Sep 1998 12:01:40 -0700

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Master Jurgen,

I had a wonderful time at the Harvest War.  This being my first event in this
kingdom, it couldn't have been better.  Everyone was wonderful.  I know how
tough it can be to coordinate all the tiny things that you have to think about
for an event like this, and you and yours did a fabulous job.

In future, I shall try to attend events hosted by Cote du Ciel.

Thanks for everything!
Talanesea, Gypsy and Freelance Pirate




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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Fwd: [IR] Known World Laurels' List
Date: 22 Sep 1998 10:30:43 PDT


I thought our local Laurels might be interested in this.

Camilla


>Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:46:58 -0500
>To: [e-mail], [e-mail],
>        [e-mail], [e-mail]
>From: Gunnora Hallakarva <[e-mail]>
>Subject: [IR] Known World Laurels' List
>Reply-To: [e-mail], Gunnora Hallakarva <[e-mail]>
>
>Good cousins of the Laurel, I wanted to take a moment to let you know
>about a new mailing list that has just been established with the
>assistance of Ansteorra's most excellent HL Pug: this is SCA-LAURELS.
>
>The SCA Laurels' List has been established as a discussion forum by
>and for the Companions to the Order of the Laurel in the >Known >World.
The list is moderated by Mistress Gunnora Hallakarva >([e-mail])
of Ansteorra, who monitors subscription and >content.
>
>The SCA Laurels' List is meant to serve as a forum for the discussion
>of any topic by the Laurellate *except* discussion of candidates to
>the Circle.  The reasoning for the decision to avoid discussion of
>Laurel candidates is due to possible problems with security and
>"over-the-shoulder" unauthorized access. =20
>
>Suggested topics for discussion on the SCA Laurels' List include:
>interkingdom anthropology involving the Laurellate and the arts,
>furthering interkingdom communication between the various Laurel
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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Polter Jurgi
Date: 23 Sep 1998 09:21:25 -0600



Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:

> Jurgi,
> Welcome back.  Maybe now this list won't be so dead.   We don't have a
> ghost of a chance to outdo your witticisms.  We all pale in comparison to
> you.
> ( I just had to try to get the first ones in.)
> Landolf
>

I thought that with Juergi's fair skin, he was pale in comparison to the rest
of us.

Rand





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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Polter Jurgi
Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:46:34 -0700

Randy Chabries wrote:
>
> Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:
>
> > Jurgi,
> > Welcome back.  Maybe now this list won't be so dead.   We don't have a
> > ghost of a chance to outdo your witticisms.  We all pale in comparison to
> > you.
> > ( I just had to try to get the first ones in.)
> > Landolf
> >
>
> I thought that with Juergi's fair skin, he was pale in comparison to the rest
> of us.
>
> Rand

If I am pale by comparrison, it is due to the horror and disgust I
experience when those of you who claim to be "Fighters" never bring your
Armor to practice!  Oh, by the way, I accept!

Pale Rider (jurgi)  or is that "Pail writer"?



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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Polter Jurgi
Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:31:39 -0600

Juergi,
If the skin fits....
Are you sure you want to fight after last weekend?  I am pooped and did not even
fight.  By the way, I am glad that you know how to write pail.  Those four-letter
words are tough.  You know...Death rides a pale horse, so he is a knight, so are
you trying to clue us in on something???  I seeeee, I seeeee.... a white belt and a
pale person ... it is so unclear.
Rand

Jeff Lowe wrote:

> Randy Chabries wrote:
> >
> > Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:
> >
> > > Jurgi,
> > > Welcome back.  Maybe now this list won't be so dead.   We don't have a
> > > ghost of a chance to outdo your witticisms.  We all pale in comparison to
> > > you.
> > > ( I just had to try to get the first ones in.)
> > > Landolf
> > >
> >
> > I thought that with Juergi's fair skin, he was pale in comparison to the rest
> > of us.
> >
> > Rand
>
> If I am pale by comparrison, it is due to the horror and disgust I
> experience when those of you who claim to be "Fighters" never bring your
> Armor to practice!  Oh, by the way, I accept!
>
> Pale Rider (jurgi)  or is that "Pail writer"?






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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Polter Jurgi
Date: 23 Sep 1998 15:11:55 PDT


I think Rand has a little too much free time....

Cam



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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Polter Jurgi
Date: 24 Sep 1998 07:36:10 -0600

And a vicious mischievous streak.
Landolf




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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Polter Jurgi
Date: 24 Sep 1998 11:56:10 -0700

Randy Chabries wrote:
>
> Juergi,
> If the skin fits....
> Are you sure you want to fight after last weekend?  I am pooped and did not even
> fight.  By the way, I am glad that you know how to write pail.  Those four-letter
> words are tough.  You know...Death rides a pale horse, so he is a knight, so are
> you trying to clue us in on something???  I seeeee, I seeeee.... a white belt and a
> pale person ... it is so unclear.
> Rand
>

Don't make me come over there and hurt you!

Jurgi, The pail writer, as spoken of in the book of Rand-velations.
(He's no Martin Luther!)



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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Polter Jurgi
Date: 24 Sep 1998 16:01:37 -0600

Actually, Rand predates Martin Luther.
Somebody had to give him ideas.  What could be more mischievous than starting a schism
and holy wars????
Rand

Jeff Lowe wrote:

> Randy Chabries wrote:
> >
> > Juergi,
> > If the skin fits....
> > Are you sure you want to fight after last weekend?  I am pooped and did not even
> > fight.  By the way, I am glad that you know how to write pail.  Those four-letter
> > words are tough.  You know...Death rides a pale horse, so he is a knight, so are
> > you trying to clue us in on something???  I seeeee, I seeeee.... a white belt and a
> > pale person ... it is so unclear.
> > Rand
> >
>
> Don't make me come over there and hurt you!
>
> Jurgi, The pail writer, as spoken of in the book of Rand-velations.
> (He's no Martin Luther!)






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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) Sad tidings
Date: 28 Sep 1998 11:12:00 -0700

Again, another message from the Artemisian list.  Shall we "pass the
helm" at fighter practice?

Rebecca

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Reply-to:      [e-mail]

Unto the populace of Artemisia,

       As most of the good people on this list may already know  Lady Katerina
Elizabeth de Clisson Caimbeul,  also known as Karen Tanner, passed away this
weekend.
     Lady Katerina was the  Seneschal for our Shire for the past few months,
prior to that, she served as our Chonicler for a number of years.  Since
moving to our Shire she has been a very large part of our lives and we will
all miss her very much.
     But our pain and grieving cannot compare to what her husband, Lord
Sionainn (Jason Tanner) , and child (Ben)  are going through now. We hurt most
of all for thier loss.
     Our Katerina was only 28, her whole life before her. Years to plan for
the future as she and Sionainn raised their son Ben, who, by the way, turned
three years old today. The day after his mother passed away. Years to plan and
prepare for what may come. Who knew there would be less time.
      It is our hope  to ease the hardship  that now faces the two she left
behind. We wish to establish a fund  to help defray the cost of the buriel and
related expenses.  Three weeks in ICU, no income from her job, and Sionainn
missing almost as much time from work has put them in a less than ideal
financial situation. The funeral costs on top of that...
       And so I come to you with a plea for help. I ask on the behalf of Lord
Sionainn and Ben, (who would never ask himself)  If anyone can find it within
thier means to help, donations can be sent to Jason Tanner, c/o Doug Guibord,
4075 Jefferson ave. Ogden Utah 84403

       I thank you all for taking the time to read this and thank you as well
in advance for any and all support.

With heavy heart,
H.L. Don Tarkesh,
Captain-General,
Black Wing Company.
Current Defender of the Sable Rose
and one very sad man for the loss of a wonderful part of our Kingdom, Katerina




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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) (Fwd) Sad tidings
Date: 29 Sep 1998 11:56:24 -0700

Do you know the story behind her death?



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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) (Fwd) Sad tidings
Date: 29 Sep 1998 11:27:57 -0600

When I spoke with Lord Sionnin at Harvest War he said that she had
pneumonia.  She had been in intensive care for several weeks.  That day (19
Sep) she had awakened, opened her eyes and squeezed his hand.
Sionnin indicated in a post to the Aerie, not long before her death, that
Katerina was improving.  I don't know exactly what actually caused her
death other than it was a complication of the pneumonia.
Landolf




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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) ? about Shire meeting 9/30
Date: 29 Sep 1998 13:38:52 -0600

I am assuming that the shire will be meeting at the Whittier for
populace meeting on the 30th of September, but of course I am way out of
the picture now, so if someone would be so kind as to update me, I would
certainly like to be there.

You know the old familiar face of the past routine.

Talk to you all soon.

Grifin




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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) ? about Shire meeting 9/30
Date: 29 Sep 1998 14:40:25 PDT


You know, I think the meeting /was/ changed, but I can't remember to
what date...

Anyone else think to write it down??  :)

Camilla


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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) ? about Shire meeting 9/30
Date: 29 Sep 1998 16:05:55 -0600

Thank you Shire.  I have received private posts from my terrific knight,
and his wonderful lady, and I am planning on being at fighter practice
on Wednesday.

See you all there.

Grifin




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From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) ? about Shire meeting 9/30
Date: 29 Sep 1998 16:32:31 -0600

Fighter practice is still Wed night at the Whittier Ctr.
However, many of us will not be there.  Officers meeting is Friday at Sir =
Landolf's 7 pm.

Rixa

>>> "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]> 09/29 3:40 PM >>>

You know, I think the meeting /was/ changed, but I can't remember to=20
what date...

Anyone else think to write it down??  :)

Camilla


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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Joke 9/30/98
Date: 30 Sep 1998 05:24:43 -0600

A man walks into a healthfood restaurant after a day at the
office, sits down and orders a nice big dish of brown rice
and stir-fry veggies.

He grabs a handful of peanuts from the bowl on the counter
by the cash register while he's waiting for his order, and
as he starts to chew he hears a voice say, "That's a
beautiful tie, is that silk? Very NICE choice!"

Wondering who would make such a strange comment, he looks
around and doesn't see anyone near him who could've been
speaking to him. With a shrug, he pops a few more peanuts
into his mouth.

Next he hears a voice, "Those shoes are stylin', my man.
Are they Italian leather? They look GRRREAT!"

He whirls around to look again but sees no one near him. He
glances nervously around and then at his shoes, which he
tucks self-consciously under the stool.

A little wierded out, he grabs another handful of peanuts.
This time the voice continues with, "That suit looks
FANTASTIC! Is it an Armani?  Very nice!"

He immediately calls the waiter over and says, "Look. I
keep hearing these voices telling me how great my tie, my
shoes, and my suit look -- What's up with that?
Am I GOING CRAZY??"

"Oh," the waiter nonchalantly replies, "those are just the
peanuts."

"The PEANUTS?!?" the astonished man asks, staring at the
bowl beside him.

"Yes," replies the waiter, ". . . they're complimentary !!"




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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) ? about Shire meeting 9/30
Date: 30 Sep 1998 07:32:14 -0600

The meeting has been changed, yet again.  Fri 2 Oct 98, at 7:00 p.m. at
Randwulf and Rixa's house. (Chabries') An announcement will be made at
fighter practice tonight.
Landolf




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what date...

Anyone else think to write it down??  :)

Camilla


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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Crown List
Date: 30 Sep 1998 09:32:59 -0700

This is a reminder that tomorrow is the deadline for paid feast
reservations for Crown List.  The event is being held in Ogden so it
is close enough that shire members should seriously consider going.
If you want to go to the event but not eat feast, you can pay site
fee  that day.  Landolf and I are going to the event and have room
for 4 riders (comfortably) or 6 riders (cozily).  Let one of us know
if you want a ride.  You won't have to pay for gas because we are
going anyway.

Rebecca



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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 30 Sep 1998 14:43:27 -0700

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I just recieved this, I was wondering how the rest of you feel?

Jurgi

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     Greetings and salutations!

     I'm starting to make plans for the Winter Madness event this coming
     winter and thought I'd check in with you.  I'd like to use the Bear
     Lake site again, but didnt want to start any unpleasantness like last
     year...  Will using the site be a problem for you?

     The date is still tentative, right now its Feb 20th but thats the
     weekend after Estrella so I'm working with Agnese to change to a later
     date (like 27 Feb).

     In service to Artemisia and the Dream,
     Tyndall




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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 30 Sep 1998 14:34:41 -0600

I just can't figure out why Griffin's Lair is looking outside their area
for sites.  Why should they hold two events per year in our area when there
are far more resources in the Weber valley.
My feelings are that if they have soiled their nest so badly that they
can't live in it, it is not our responsibility to provide them with a new
location that they can screw up.
Just call me uncharitable,
Landolf





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     Greetings and salutations!

     I'm starting to make plans for the Winter Madness event this coming
     winter and thought I'd check in with you.  I'd like to use the Bear
     Lake site again, but didnt want to start any unpleasantness like last
     year...  Will using the site be a problem for you?

     The date is still tentative, right now its Feb 20th but thats the
     weekend after Estrella so I'm working with Agnese to change to a later
     date (like 27 Feb).

     In service to Artemisia and the Dream,
     Tyndall













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From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 30 Sep 1998 15:39:23 -0600

I think it is great that they have learned from the past!!!  Maybe we will =
ride off into the baronial sunset together.

>>> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> 09/30 3:43 PM >>>
I just recieved this, I was wondering how the rest of you feel?

Jurgi




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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 30 Sep 1998 15:44:18 -0700

> I think it is great that they have learned from the past!!!  Maybe we will
ride off into the baronial sunset together.
>
>
>
>

Just dripping with sarcasm, aren't we? *smirk*

Rebecca



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 30 Sep 1998 15:46:36 -0700

> >>> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> 09/30 3:43 PM >>>
> I just recieved this, I was wondering how the rest of you feel?
>
> Jurgi
>
>

If they want to continue having 2 of their 3 events per year in Cote
du Ciel lands, perhaps we should start taking a cut of the net
profits?

Rebecca (the exchequer is coming out . . . <evil grin>)



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From: Tecknoman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 02 Jun 1998 23:38:17 -0600

   I agree with Sir Landolf.  Gryphons Lair events should be in Gryphons Lair,
as Cote du Ciel events are in Core du Ciel.  Using the suggested site would, to
me, be like Cote du Ciel asking the Barony if we could hold our Birthday event
in Salt Lake because we found a cool site there. Would it not then become a
baronial event? Hmmmm

Kensai

Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:

> I just can't figure out why Griffin's Lair is looking outside their area
> for sites.  Why should they hold two events per year in our area when there
> are far more resources in the Weber valley.
> My feelings are that if they have soiled their nest so badly that they
> can't live in it, it is not our responsibility to provide them with a new
> location that they can screw up.
> Just call me uncharitable,
> Landolf
>
> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 09/30/98 03:43:27 PM
>
> Please respond to [e-mail]
>
> To:   [e-mail]
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>
> I just recieved this, I was wondering how the rest of you feel?
>
> Jurgi
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>      Greetings and salutations!
>
>      I'm starting to make plans for the Winter Madness event this coming
>      winter and thought I'd check in with you.  I'd like to use the Bear
>      Lake site again, but didnt want to start any unpleasantness like last
>      year...  Will using the site be a problem for you?
>
>      The date is still tentative, right now its Feb 20th but thats the
>      weekend after Estrella so I'm working with Agnese to change to a later
>      date (like 27 Feb).
>
>      In service to Artemisia and the Dream,
>      Tyndall