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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 01 Oct 1998 08:07:08 -0700

CHARLENE CHABRIES wrote:
>
> I think it is great that they have learned from the past!!!  Maybe we will ride off into the baronial sunset together.
>

Don't make me come over there and hurt you!

THe Pail writer



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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Practice Last Night
Date: 01 Oct 1998 10:13:36 -0600

Sorry I missed practice last night.  I'm sure a good time was had by
all, but I didn't want to have to drag my notebook around like usual.
Seems like I never get a free evening.

Talk to you all soon.

Grifin.




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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 01 Oct 1998 12:25:52 -0600

GO LANDOLF!!!

Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:

> I just can't figure out why Griffin's Lair is looking outside their area
> for sites.  Why should they hold two events per year in our area when there
> are far more resources in the Weber valley.
> My feelings are that if they have soiled their nest so badly that they
> can't live in it, it is not our responsibility to provide them with a new
> location that they can screw up.
> Just call me uncharitable,
> Landolf
>
> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 09/30/98 03:43:27 PM
>
> Please respond to [e-mail]
>
> To:   [e-mail]
> cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)
> Subject:  (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
>
> I just recieved this, I was wondering how the rest of you feel?
>
> Jurgi
>
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>      Greetings and salutations!
>
>      I'm starting to make plans for the Winter Madness event this coming
>      winter and thought I'd check in with you.  I'd like to use the Bear
>      Lake site again, but didnt want to start any unpleasantness like last
>      year...  Will using the site be a problem for you?
>
>      The date is still tentative, right now its Feb 20th but thats the
>      weekend after Estrella so I'm working with Agnese to change to a later
>      date (like 27 Feb).
>
>      In service to Artemisia and the Dream,
>      Tyndall






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 01 Oct 1998 12:27:13 -0600

GO REBECCA!!!

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:

> > >>> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> 09/30 3:43 PM >>>
> > I just recieved this, I was wondering how the rest of you feel?
> >
> > Jurgi
> >
> >
>
> If they want to continue having 2 of their 3 events per year in Cote
> du Ciel lands, perhaps we should start taking a cut of the net
> profits?
>
> Rebecca (the exchequer is coming out . . . <evil grin>)






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From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 01 Oct 1998 13:59:25 -0600

Please! please! don't ink me>

>>> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> 10/01 9:07 AM >>>
CHARLENE CHABRIES wrote:
>=20
> I think it is great that they have learned from the past!!!  Maybe we =
will ride off into the baronial sunset together.
>=20

Don't make me come over there and hurt you!

THe Pail writer





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From: Pug <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 01 Oct 1998 19:28:36 -0600 (MDT)


Angus here

I don't want to throw a wet blanket on this Burnt Tinder (wet blanket-Burnt
Timber, I like that!) rant fest, but we have something of a hipocracy problem
here, at least the appearence of one. Namely, with Sommerville Mannor. There
are some differences, primarily the relationship between the management and
our populace and the relative location of unit and site, but the fact is that
we do things *as a Shire* in the lands of our northern neighbors. If we get too
huffy about their coming over here we should at least be aware of the hipocracy
problem.

Now, I don't want them in our lands, and I do want to be able to play up at
Summerville as a shire, so I would like to find some way to deal with this
paradox. Maybe we could limit them to once a year, or as Rebecca said share
troll, or something else. But just ranting and refusing, while we play up
north, just isn't right. Something to think about, anyway.

>GO LANDOLF!

>> I just can't figure out why Griffin's Lair is looking outside their area
>> for sites.  Why should they hold two events per year in our area when there
>> are far more resources in the Weber valley.
>> My feelings are that if they have soiled their nest so badly that they
>> can't live in it, it is not our responsibility to provide them with a new
>> location that they can screw up.
>> Just call me uncharitable,
>> Landolf
>>
>> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 09/30/98 03:43:27 PM





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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 02 Oct 1998 09:07:30 -0700

>
> Angus here
>
> I don't want to throw a wet blanket on this Burnt Tinder (wet blanket-Burnt
> Timber, I like that!) rant fest, but we have something of a hipocracy problem
> here, at least the appearence of one. Namely, with Sommerville Mannor. There
> are some differences, primarily the relationship between the management and
> our populace and the relative location of unit and site, but the fact is that
> we do things *as a Shire* in the lands of our northern neighbors. If we get too
> huffy about their coming over here we should at least be aware of the hipocracy
> problem.
>
> Now, I don't want them in our lands, and I do want to be able to play up at
> Summerville as a shire, so I would like to find some way to deal with this
> paradox. Maybe we could limit them to once a year, or as Rebecca said share
> troll, or something else. But just ranting and refusing, while we play up
> north, just isn't right. Something to think about, anyway.
>
>

There are some differences with Cote du Ciel holding an event at
Somerville Manor and Gryphon's Lair holding an event in Cote du Ciel
lands--Somerville Manor *invited* us (they actively pursue other
groups to hold events there).  Cote du Ciel has never invited
Gryphon's Lair to use our lands (GL has held events, then asked
forgiveness).  Somerville Manor is a business whose only purpose is
to hold/promote Medieval-style functions--there are no sites in Cote
du Ciel that do that.  The Lord and Lady of Somerville Manor are
"adopted" members of Cote du Ciel; there are no (actively playing)
members of Gryphon's Lair who are members of Cote du Ciel (Kensai and
Gwenyvere are exceptions; however, they have never and do not now
play with Gryphon's Lair.  If they do anything SCA, they do it with
Cote du Ciel).  Many members of Cote du Ciel are members of the
Barony of Lyonnesse.  That means that they actively help the
Barony/Somerville Manor in any way possible.  The Barony of One
Thousand Eyes has said that SCA groups outside of the BOTE can use
the Somerville Manor site freely--they recognize its value to all SCA
groups as a great event site.  Cote du Ciel is not the only
out-of-BOTE group that has held an event at Somerville Manor without
interference from BOTE.

I do not believe that there is any hypocrisy here.

Rebecca



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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 02 Oct 1998 09:14:39 PDT


Hmmm, I think Angus has an interesting point!  Any thoughts?

Cam

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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 02 Oct 1998 13:56:51 -0700

Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.  Everything went
well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home recuperating
for the next week and a half.

Rebecca



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From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 02 Oct 1998 14:01:14 -0600

Best Wishes to Olan!!!  I am so glad everything went well.

Rixa

>>> "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]> 10/02 2:56 =
PM >>>
Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.  Everything went=20
well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home recuperating=20
for the next week and a half.

Rebecca





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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 02 Oct 1998 14:06:37 -0700


> Best Wishes to Olan!!!  I am so glad everything went well.
>
> Rixa
>
>

He is feeling so well, he wants to come to the meeting tonight.  I
told him not to over-do it (but he still wants to come to the meeting
<g>)  His pain medication makes him sleepy so he would probably fall
asleep at the meeting, anyway.

Rebecca



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From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 02 Oct 1998 14:44:34 -0600

We have a cot he can use.  I'll have it ready.  He might be more comfortabl=
e on the couch however he might get sat upon.

Rixa

>>> "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]> 10/02 3:06 =
PM >>>

> Best Wishes to Olan!!!  I am so glad everything went well.
>=20
> Rixa
>=20
>=20

He is feeling so well, he wants to come to the meeting tonight.  I=20
told him not to over-do it (but he still wants to come to the meeting=20
<g>)  His pain medication makes him sleepy so he would probably fall=20
asleep at the meeting, anyway.

Rebecca





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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 02 Oct 1998 13:57:29 PDT


Oh, we're so glad he's doing well!!

See you all tonight.

Camilla (& Arkasha)

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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 05 Oct 1998 08:32:23 -0700

Pug wrote:
>
> Angus here
>
> I don't want to throw a wet blanket on this Burnt Tinder (wet blanket-Burnt
> Timber, I like that!) rant fest, but we have something of a hipocracy problem
> here, at least the appearence of one. Namely, with Sommerville Mannor. There
> are some differences, primarily the relationship between the management and
> our populace and the relative location of unit and site, but the fact is that
> we do things *as a Shire* in the lands of our northern neighbors. If we get too
> huffy about their coming over here we should at least be aware of the hipocracy
> problem.
>
> Now, I don't want them in our lands, and I do want to be able to play up at
> Summerville as a shire, so I would like to find some way to deal with this
> paradox. Maybe we could limit them to once a year, or as Rebecca said share
> troll, or something else. But just ranting and refusing, while we play up
> north, just isn't right. Something to think about, anyway.
>
> >GO LANDOLF!
>

Here's the diffrence.  We have never held a Kingdom scheduled event out
side our own shire and secondly, we were invited to use that site, and I
called 1000 eyes for permission and we never trashed the site nor went
against the no alchohol rule to bring condemnation to the Society or the
group upon whos land the site resides.  Technically, we cannot refuse
their request but i will write Tyndall and let him know some of our
concerns.

Jurgi



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 05 Oct 1998 08:19:47 -0700

> Pug wrote:
> >
> > Angus here
> >
> > I don't want to throw a wet blanket on this Burnt Tinder (wet blanket-Burnt
> > Timber, I like that!) rant fest, but we have something of a hipocracy problem
> > here, at least the appearence of one. Namely, with Sommerville Mannor. There
> > are some differences, primarily the relationship between the management and
> > our populace and the relative location of unit and site, but the fact is that
> > we do things *as a Shire* in the lands of our northern neighbors. If we get too
> > huffy about their coming over here we should at least be aware of the hipocracy
> > problem.
> >
> > Now, I don't want them in our lands, and I do want to be able to play up at
> > Summerville as a shire, so I would like to find some way to deal with this
> > paradox. Maybe we could limit them to once a year, or as Rebecca said share
> > troll, or something else. But just ranting and refusing, while we play up
> > north, just isn't right. Something to think about, anyway.
> >
> > >GO LANDOLF!
> >
>
> Here's the diffrence.  We have never held a Kingdom scheduled event out
> side our own shire and secondly, we were invited to use that site, and I
> called 1000 eyes for permission and we never trashed the site nor went
> against the no alchohol rule to bring condemnation to the Society or the
> group upon whos land the site resides.  Technically, we cannot refuse
> their request but i will write Tyndall and let him know some of our
> concerns.
>
> Jurgi
>
>

Angus, Francesca, William, and Isabeau came over to our house
yesterday and we discussed this (they didn't come over to discuss
this--they came over for other reasons, but the conversation turned
to a discussion of this issue <g>).

William and Isabeau confirmed what I had already said about their
business in a previous posting.

We suggest that Gryphon's Lair pay CduC a fee for using our lands.
This is a very "period" practice.  If we tell them it will cost them
$xxx.xx to use one of our sites, and they choose to not use the
site, then we haven't been "mean" by not letting them use a CduC
site--they have simply refused to pay our site fee.  However, if we
say "you can't use our sites", then we are being mean and not sharing
(and quit hitting your brother . . . oops!).

I still want to know, though, why they have to hold 2 of their 3
required events in Cote du Ciel.

Rebecca



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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:03:43 -0600

I guess I see this a bit differently than Angus.  You see, we do use Somerville
Manor, but not because we can't find any other sites, but because we want to
support them.  It is a nice site and all, but we have a lot of those to choose from
if that is what we want.  I do not see this as hipocracy because of this reason.
Secondly, we are not trying to invade anyone else's lands because we have, as
Landolf so eloquently put it, soiled our own pants...I mean nest.  As I understand
it, there have been some feelings between some members of the barony and Somerville
manor.  Somerville manor is a commercial site and they have, in essence, invited us
to use their facility.  That's the way I see it.
Rand




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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:05:45 -0600

GO OLAN!!!

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:

> Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.  Everything went
> well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home recuperating
> for the next week and a half.
>
> Rebecca






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:10:33 -0600

>
>
> We suggest that Gryphon's Lair pay CduC a fee for using our lands.
> This is a very "period" practice.  If we tell them it will cost them
> $xxx.xx to use one of our sites, and they choose to not use the
> site, then we haven't been "mean" by not letting them use a CduC
> site--they have simply refused to pay our site fee.  However, if we
> say "you can't use our sites", then we are being mean and not sharing
> (and quit hitting your brother . . . oops!).
>
> I still want to know, though, why they have to hold 2 of their 3
> required events in Cote du Ciel.
>
> Rebecca

  Just one question, you said a fee of $xxx.xx.  May I suggest $xxxx.xx?
Rand




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From: "Perry, Radford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 05 Oct 1998 09:08:27 -0700

What's this!?! The shire is into triple X fees.  I feel so ashamed... (are
we talking pictures or videos?)

-Baldwin

> ----------
> From:     Randy Chabries[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Monday, October 05, 1998 9:10 AM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
>
> >
> >
> > We suggest that Gryphon's Lair pay CduC a fee for using our lands.
> > This is a very "period" practice.  If we tell them it will cost them
> > $xxx.xx to use one of our sites, and they choose to not use the
> > site, then we haven't been "mean" by not letting them use a CduC
> > site--they have simply refused to pay our site fee.  However, if we
> > say "you can't use our sites", then we are being mean and not sharing
> > (and quit hitting your brother . . . oops!).
> >
> > I still want to know, though, why they have to hold 2 of their 3
> > required events in Cote du Ciel.
> >
> > Rebecca
>
>   Just one question, you said a fee of $xxx.xx.  May I suggest $xxxx.xx?
> Rand
>
>



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:17:58 -0700

> > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.  Everything went
> > well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home recuperating
> > for the next week and a half.
> >
>

Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . .  He was not only
feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a
contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, and
square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in).

Rebecca



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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:48:25 -0600

We didn't want you to feel left out, so we thought we'd send you something
special.
Rand

Perry, Radford wrote:

> What's this!?! The shire is into triple X fees.  I feel so ashamed... (are
> we talking pictures or videos?)
>
> -Baldwin
>
> > ----------
> > From:         Randy Chabries[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Reply To:     [e-mail]
> > Sent:         Monday, October 05, 1998 9:10 AM
> > To:   [e-mail]
> > Subject:      Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > We suggest that Gryphon's Lair pay CduC a fee for using our lands.
> > > This is a very "period" practice.  If we tell them it will cost them
> > > $xxx.xx to use one of our sites, and they choose to not use the
> > > site, then we haven't been "mean" by not letting them use a CduC
> > > site--they have simply refused to pay our site fee.  However, if we
> > > say "you can't use our sites", then we are being mean and not sharing
> > > (and quit hitting your brother . . . oops!).
> > >
> > > I still want to know, though, why they have to hold 2 of their 3
> > > required events in Cote du Ciel.
> > >
> > > Rebecca
> >
> >   Just one question, you said a fee of $xxx.xx.  May I suggest $xxxx.xx?
> > Rand
> >
> >






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:49:54 -0600

I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie, too???>:->

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:

> > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.  Everything went
> > > well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home recuperating
> > > for the next week and a half.
> > >
> >
>
> Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . .  He was not only
> feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a
> contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, and
> square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in).
>
> Rebecca






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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:50:42 -0700

Oh, puhleeeeze!  You are grasping!!

Rebecca

> I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie, too???>:->
>
> Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
>
> > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.  Everything went
> > > > well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home recuperating
> > > > for the next week and a half.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . .  He was not only
> > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a
> > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing, and
> > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in).
> >
> > Rebecca
>
>
>
>
>



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From: Kendle Hanna <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT)



Please quit Rand.  We dont want to incure the rath of the Pail Writer!


---Rebecca Mikkelsen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Oh, puhleeeeze!  You are grasping!!
>
> Rebecca
>
> > I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie,
too???>:->
> >
> > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> >
> > > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.
Everything went
> > > > > well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home
recuperating
> > > > > for the next week and a half.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . .  He was not
only
> > > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a
> > > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing,
and
> > > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in).
> > >
> > > Rebecca
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 05 Oct 1998 12:00:15 -0700

Kendle Hanna wrote:
>
> Please quit Rand.  We dont want to incure the rath of the Pail Writer!
>
> ---Rebecca Mikkelsen <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, puhleeeeze!  You are grasping!!
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> > > I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie,
> too???>:->
> > >
> > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.
> Everything went
> > > > > > well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home
> recuperating
> > > > > > for the next week and a half.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . .  He was not
> only
> > > > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a
> > > > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing,
> and
> > > > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in).
> > > >
> > > > Rebecca

Too Late!  You know that the music for a Contradance is provided by a
Contra-0band.  Does that make it illeagle?

Jurgi



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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
Date: 05 Oct 1998 12:09:58 -0700

Perry, Radford wrote:
>
> What's this!?! The shire is into triple X fees.  I feel so ashamed... (are
> we talking pictures or videos?)
>

Rad!?!  Did you want to do a video Party?  Maybe we could do Robochick!
Or Beach Babes from Beyound.

Jurgi



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From: "Perry, Radford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Naughty, Naughty
Date: 05 Oct 1998 10:42:43 -0700

Oh no, it sounds like a revival of B movie night!!  I hope Bjorn didn't have
to dispose of all his classics when he got married.

-Baldwin

> ----------
> From:     Jeff Lowe[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Monday, October 05, 1998 12:09 PM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     Re: (cdc) [Fwd: Winter Madness site]
>
> Perry, Radford wrote:
> >
> > What's this!?! The shire is into triple X fees.  I feel so ashamed...
> (are
> > we talking pictures or videos?)
> >
>
> Rad!?!  Did you want to do a video Party?  Maybe we could do Robochick!
> Or Beach Babes from Beyound.
>
> Jurgi
>



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Contradancing . . .
Date: 05 Oct 1998 11:45:12 -0700

Not to be contrary, but I think there are those in the shire who
should exercise some control and contrition.

I would like to contribute the following information for those of you
for whom Contradancing is not contraindicated:

There will be a Contradance on Friday, Nov 6 and Saturday, Nov 7 at
the Whittier Center.  Each dance is $6 per person.  There will be
workshops all day on November 7 at a cost of $6.

Contrari-wise, if you want to dance for FREE, the Royal Scottish
Country Dance Society in SLC is sponsoring workshops and dancing on
November 14.

Contact me if you need more details on either of these events.  I
wouldn't want any controversy about it.

Rebecca



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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 06 Oct 1998 09:41:16 -0600

Or is that wraith?

Kendle Hanna wrote:

> Please quit Rand.  We dont want to incure the rath of the Pail Writer!
>
> ---Rebecca Mikkelsen <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, puhleeeeze!  You are grasping!!
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> > > I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie,
> too???>:->
> > >
> > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.
> Everything went
> > > > > > well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home
> recuperating
> > > > > > for the next week and a half.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . .  He was not
> only
> > > > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me! (a
> > > > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing,
> and
> > > > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in).
> > > >
> > > > Rebecca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________
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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Contradancing . . .
Date: 06 Oct 1998 09:45:19 -0600

I don't think I could contrive to be there.  I think I will be making
some kind of contraption.  It may even be breaking my contract, I would
hate to be out of a job.  I think the president has had enough affairs
without another contra.
Rand

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:

> Not to be contrary, but I think there are those in the shire who
> should exercise some control and contrition.
>
> I would like to contribute the following information for those of you
> for whom Contradancing is not contraindicated:
>
> There will be a Contradance on Friday, Nov 6 and Saturday, Nov 7 at
> the Whittier Center.  Each dance is $6 per person.  There will be
> workshops all day on November 7 at a cost of $6.
>
> Contrari-wise, if you want to dance for FREE, the Royal Scottish
> Country Dance Society in SLC is sponsoring workshops and dancing on
> November 14.
>
> Contact me if you need more details on either of these events.  I
> wouldn't want any controversy about it.
>
> Rebecca






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From: "jcrow     " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
Date: 06 Oct 1998 22:24:45 -0000

Well if the Eagle is sick get him a vet...

----------
> From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (cdc) Olan's surgery
> Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 7:00 PM
>
> Kendle Hanna wrote:
> >
> > Please quit Rand.  We dont want to incure the rath of the Pail Writer!
> >
> > ---Rebecca Mikkelsen <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, puhleeeeze!  You are grasping!!
> > >
> > > Rebecca
> > >
> > > > I didn't know Olan or you had been to Iran!!! Did you know Ollie,
> > too???>:->
> > > >
> > > > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > Olan had surgery to reverse the ileostomy yesterday.
> > Everything went
> > > > > > > well and he was sent home the same day.  He will be home
> > recuperating
> > > > > > > for the next week and a half.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, (as they say) for the rest of the story. . . .  He was not
> > only
> > > > > feeling well, but on Saturday he went to a Contradance with me!
(a
> > > > > contradance is sort of a combination of English country dancing,
> > and
> > > > > square dancing with a little waltz and swing thrown in).
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebecca
>
> Too Late!  You know that the music for a Contradance is provided by a
> Contra-0band.  Does that make it illeagle?
>
> Jurgi



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) An announcement from Free Trumpet Press West
Date: 07 Oct 1998 14:19:36 -0700

This message is for the Seneschal (who authorizes money), the
Exchequer (who pays the money), and the Herald (who might be wanting
the money for this purchase).

Rebecca

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Reply-to:      [e-mail]

Greetings to heralds & pursuivants, one and all,


Pardon this mini-commercial message, but this is to inform you that Free
Trumpet Press West is now carrying the next set of "Combined Updates" for
the Ordinary and Armorial.  The Combined Update covers individual updates
#18-22 (registraions from 1/96-6/98).

Price for the Combined Update 18-22 to the Ordinary is $12.
Price for the Combined Update 18-22 to the Armorial is $7.

All prices are in US Dollars, and include shipping, handling and (where
applicable) Illinois sales tax.

***********
Coming Soon!
***********
Volume 4 of the Precedents of Da'ud ibn Auda - from his second tenure.
More price details as it becomes avaliable.
***********

For orders, more information and a current price list, please write to:

Free Trumpet Press West
1613 N. School St.
Normal, IL 61761

[e-mail]



Thank you for your time and attention,


Rory mac Feidhlimidh
Free Trumpet Press West


Free Trumpet Press West
1613 N School St
Normal, IL 61761-1240




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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) (Fwd) An announcement from Free Trumpet Press West
Date: 07 Oct 1998 14:55:49 -0600

As long as we are talking about fun things to buy.......

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:

> This message is for the Seneschal (who authorizes money), the
> Exchequer (who pays the money), and the Herald (who might be wanting
> the money for this purchase).
>
> Rebecca






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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Apples
Date: 07 Oct 1998 15:51:44 -0700

I hope someone gets this message before dance practice tonight . . .

Please call everyone you know to see if they can come a little early
to dance practice.  We need to pick the apples off of a neighbor's
tree to be used for the Halloween Carnival we are helping with.

Rebecca



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From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Apples
Date: 07 Oct 1998 15:52:34 -0600

Your neighbor or the Whittier's neighbor?

>>> "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]> 10/07 4:51 =
PM >>>
I hope someone gets this message before dance practice tonight . . .

Please call everyone you know to see if they can come a little early=20
to dance practice.  We need to pick the apples off of a neighbor's=20
tree to be used for the Halloween Carnival we are helping with.

Rebecca





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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Apples
Date: 07 Oct 1998 16:00:46 -0700

> Your neighbor or the Whittier's neighbor?
>
>

Whittier's neighbor.



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From: "Seamas Connough" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) fealla-dha (a funny!)
Date: 09 Oct 1998 16:03:40 -0600


Tha barrachd dΘidh agam air Craobhan, na th' agam air Daoine....

**Interested in the gaidhlig language or in things Celtic?**
**Living near Salt Lake City or Logan Utah? Contact me!**

 [e-mail] --Seamas Connough MacGriogair--
 Re: Windows 98 Recall (fwd)]
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>       It has come to our attention that a few copies of the Scottish
>> version of
>>       Windows 98 may have accidentally been shipped outside Scotland.
>>
>>       If you have one of the Scottish editions, you may need some help
>>       understanding the commands. The Scotland edition may be recognised
>> by
>>       looking
>>       at the opening screen. It reads WINDAES 98, Ye Ken, with a
>> background
>>       picture
>>       of William Wallace superimposed on a St. Andrews Cross.
>>
>>       It is shipped with a Mel Gibson screen saver.
>>
>>       Also note the Recycle Bin is called The Bucket.
>>       My Computer is called Thon Computer Thingie.
>>       Dialup Networking is called Phone the Bhoys.
>>       Control Panel is known as the Dashboard.
>>       Hard Drive is referred to as the tractor.
>>       Floppies are referred to as thae wee plastic disc things.
>>
>>       Other features:
>>       Instead of an error message you get a windae covered with a picture
>> of a
>>       neep.
>>       OK = -ats fine
>>       cancel = na na ma loon
>>       reset = Och yed be as weel startin again
>>       yes = Och aye
>>       no = nae chunce mon
>>       find = if yed bothered to pit it past in a safe place, ye widnae
>> need to
>>       look for it noo
>>       go to = gon ower -ere
>>       back = back the wye
>>       help = geese a haun
>>       stop = packit in
>>       start = com on -en
>>       settings = sittins
>>       programs = stuff whit daes stuff
>>       documents = stuff I hive done afore
>>
>>       Also note that windaes 98 does not recognise capital letters or
>>       punctuation
>>       marks.
>>
>>       Some programs that are exclusive to windaes 98:
>>       Pincil an paper.....A word processor
>>       colourin book.......A Graphics program
>>       addin machine.......Calculator
>>       Andrex..............Notepad
>>       jukebox.............CD player
>>       photies.............A graphics viewer
>>       Massey..............Tractor dealers listed by Post Code
>>       car.................See previous entry
>>       tax records.........usually an empty file
>>
>>       We regret any inconvenience it may have caused if you received a
>> copy of
>>       the
>>
>>       Scottish edition. You may return it to Microsoft for a replacement
>>       version.
>>
>>
>
>----- End forwarded message -----




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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) Looking for a few good gentles...
Date: 12 Oct 1998 09:51:54 -0700

Angus, I thought you might be especially interested in the deputy of
seige weapons.

Rebecca

Greetings all.

    Having just (last night) been appointed Archer General for
Artemisia, I have a couple of deputy positions that need filling.

    The first is Deputy in Charge of Combat Archery.  This person
will be responsible for keeping the combat archers up-to-date with the
latest rules that effect what bows, crossbows, arrows, and bolts used, as
well as work with Sir Kian and myself to mesh the archery and combat
worlds together.  I request that this person be an authorized fighter who
participates in combat archery on a regular basis.

    The second is Deputy in Charge of Siege Engines.  This person
will head up the use and regulations involved in catapults, trebuchets,
ballistas, and other similar devices used on the heavy weapons
battlefield.  This person will also work with Sir Kian and myself to
incorporate this aspect of fighting onto the battlefield.  Again, an
authorized fighter who has interest in this is the ideal candidate.

    I will need to install these positions by the end of the year,
and will also make sure that this information is posted in the Sage.

    Please send me a letter of interest, with copies to Their
Majesties, the Earl Marshall, and the Kingdom Seneschal.  Letters will be
accepted until December 23.  My address is below.

                 In Service,

                Braden, Archer General of Artemisia

Brad Wolf
Ld. K. Braden von Sobernheim - Arn Hold, Artemisia
3362 S. Gekeler Ln. #G-104   Boise, ID  83706    [phone]
 Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni!

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From: Kendle Hanna <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Seattle
Date: 12 Oct 1998 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT)





Well, this is it.  Tonight I leave for Seattle, one way or another.  I
will miss all of you, but lets try to keep in touch.  I will e-mail
you again when I find a computer up there.

I have enjoyed living in logan, but things just aren't working.  To
those of you who plan on ending up in Seattle, look me up when you get
here.

Kendle Hanna
Ulrich von Lubeck (The Lurker on the List)









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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle
Date: 12 Oct 1998 11:46:31 -0700

Kendle Hanna wrote:
>
> Well, this is it.  Tonight I leave for Seattle, one way or another.  I
> will miss all of you, but lets try to keep in touch.  I will e-mail
> you again when I find a computer up there.
>
> I have enjoyed living in logan, but things just aren't working.  To
> those of you who plan on ending up in Seattle, look me up when you get
> here.
>
> Kendle Hanna
> Ulrich von Lubeck (The Lurker on the List)
>

What's this?!!?  I didn't know Kendle was moving!  WWhen did this
happen?

Well, good luck!  if you're in town again look us up.  Lynnette and I
are planning a trip to Seattle next summer.  Look up Gillian and Tegan (
Art and Kim Wagner).  again, Good Luck!

Jurgi



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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) (Fwd) Looking for a few good gentles...
Date: 12 Oct 1998 12:40:50 -0700

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
>
> Angus, I thought you might be especially interested in the deputy of
> seige weapons.
>
> Rebecca


Thanks.  That's all I need is another meanial responsibility!

Rebecca, E-mail me privat, hush-hush. ( I've lost your address.)

Jurgen



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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle
Date: 12 Oct 1998 12:05:39 PDT


Wow.  Well, good luck in Seattle!  What's up there that makes you want
to move there?

Camilla

PS:  Will someone who was at crown list give a review for those of us
unfortunates who missed it?!

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From: Arthur Wagner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle
Date: 12 Oct 1998 12:57:58 -0700



> Well, this is it.  Tonight I leave for Seattle, one way or another.  I
> will miss all of you, but lets try to keep in touch.  I will e-mail
> you again when I find a computer up there.

Kendle,

Look me up when you get settled.

Gillian
([e-mail])

>




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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle
Date: 12 Oct 1998 15:14:50 -0600

Sorry to see you go.  Have Fun
Rand

Kendle Hanna wrote:

> Well, this is it.  Tonight I leave for Seattle, one way or another.  I
> will miss all of you, but lets try to keep in touch.  I will e-mail
> you again when I find a computer up there.
>
> I have enjoyed living in logan, but things just aren't working.  To
> those of you who plan on ending up in Seattle, look me up when you get
> here.
>
> Kendle Hanna
> Ulrich von Lubeck (The Lurker on the List)
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle
Date: 12 Oct 1998 15:16:06 -0600

Good to hear from you again, Gilly.
How are thangs?
Rand




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From: "Seamas Connough" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Fw:      [CLANNADA] CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA
Date: 12 Oct 1998 19:59:50 -0600

Fealla-dha! A funny!


Tha barrachd dΘidh agam air Craobhan, na th' agam air Daoine....

**Interested in the gaidhlig language or in things Celtic?**
**Living near Salt Lake City or Logan Utah? Contact me!**


 [e-mail] --Seamas Connough MacGriogair--

>CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA
>Cities of Sjlbvdnzv, Grzny to be First Recipients:
>Before an emergency joint session of Congress yesterday, President Clinton
>announced US plans to deploy over 75,000 vowels to the war-torn region of
>Bosnia. The deployment, the largest of its kind in American history, will
>provide the region with the critically needed letters A,E,I,O and U, and is
>hoped to render countless Bosnian names more pronounceable.
>For six years, we have stood by while names like Ygrjvslhv and Tzlynhr and
>Glrm have been horribly butchered by millions around the world," Clinton
>said. "Today, the United States must finally stand up and say 'Enough.' It
>is time the people of Bosnia finally had some vowels in their
>incomprehensible words. The US is proud to lead the crusade in this noble
>endeavour."
>The deployment, dubbed Operation Vowel Storm by the State Department, is
set
>for early next week, with the Adriatic port cities of Sjlbvdnzv and Grzny
>projected to be the first recipients. Two C-130 transport planes, each
>carrying over 500 24-point boxes of "Es," will fly from Andrews Air Force
>Base across the Atlantic and airdrop the letters over the cities.
>Citizens of Grzny and Sjlbvdnzv eagerly await the arrival of the vowels.
>"My God, I do not think we can last another day," Trszg Grzdnjkln, 44,
said.
>"I have six children and none of them has a name that is pronounceable by
me
>or anyone else. Mr. Clinton, please send my poor, wretched family just one
>'E' please."
>Said Sjlbvdnzv resident Grg Hmphrs, 67: "With just a few key letters, I
>could be George Humphries. This is my dream."
>The airdrop represents the largest deployment of any letter to a foreign
>country since 1984. During the summer of that year, the US shipped 92,000
>consonants to Ethiopia, to cater for cities like Ouaouoaua.
>
>_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~
>ôI donÆt see much sense in that,ö said Rabbit.  ôNo,ö said Pooh humbly,
>ôthere isnÆt. But there was going to be when I began it. ItÆs just that
>something happened to it along the way.ö
>********************************************




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From: Arthur Wagner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Seattle
Date: 13 Oct 1998 10:51:27 -0700

> Good to hear from you again, Gilly.
> How are thangs?
> Rand

Hi Rand,

    Thangs are just fine, the rainy seasons finally gotten here and
things are looking (and feeling) a lot more Pacific North-Westy than
they have in the past 5 months.

How's things back in Cache Valley?





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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) [Fwd: Dragon's Rest Samhain Festival]
Date: 14 Oct 1998 08:12:41 -0700

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Here's something that was E-mailed to me.  I thought I'd pass it along
just in case anyone is going to this event.

Jurgi

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Unto the Seneschals of Artemisia does Lady Caillean of  Dragon's Rest
send greetings this 13th day of October XXXIII AS (1998)

May this missive find you well --

I wish to let you know that updated information concerning our Samhain
Festival on October 30th/November 1st is posted on our Shire's website
--
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/cailleanterrell
event page --
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/cailleanterrell/Sanhaim.html

Please poll your members as to who will be coming -- we need to know of
out of shire attendance to determine whether the event may need to be
modified.  Contact Autocrat -- Ladanna DeMontfort ( [e-mail]
) or myself ( [e-mail] ) with responses.

Thank you.

In Service to the Kingdom of Artemisia
Lady Caillean Aletha Terrell
Seneschal of The Incipient Shire of Dragon's Rest

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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 15 Oct 1998 08:46:44 -0700

Salutations to all!

I know that there are those of you who would like some updated
information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented
look' at the Shire in general.

The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to
seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known
World.  To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before,  And
where some have already been.  Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to
See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?)  Matt and Talia, are moving to
Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve
dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or
something else technical.
WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE
THEM!

Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included.
TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be
our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia.  (I'll ask Lynnette if they need
a Cosmotologist.)

THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage
at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif)
proud of her.

Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut
throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat
and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is
beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and
looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him,
"Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire,
does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".)

Weeeelllll!  Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news
please share with us!

Thanks for your time!

Jurgi



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 15 Oct 1998 09:02:14 -0700

You have all been a-simple-headed!

> Salutations to all!
>
> I know that there are those of you who would like some updated
> information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented
> look' at the Shire in general.
>
> The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to
> seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known
> World.  To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before,  And
> where some have already been.  Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to
> See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?)  Matt and Talia, are moving to
> Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve
> dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or
> something else technical.
> WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE
> THEM!
>
> Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included.
> TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be
> our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia.  (I'll ask Lynnette if they need
> a Cosmotologist.)
>
> THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage
> at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif)
> proud of her.
>
> Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut
> throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat
> and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is
> beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and
> looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him,
> "Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire,
> does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".)
>
> Weeeelllll!  Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news
> please share with us!
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> Jurgi
>
>



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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Attn: Merrill
Date: 15 Oct 1998 13:33:21 -0600

Angus,
Please contact Andrew ([e-mail]) regarding I.S.S.
Landolf





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From: [e-mail] (jim l magruder)
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 15 Oct 1998 19:58:59 -0600

Vivat to THL Lynnette.

Just one question though.  What does "Sent to Quest and will be posed the
question of Peerage" mean?

Ciarrai
(Carrie)

>THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of
>Peerage at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very
>(Snif-snif) proud of her.


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From: "jcrow     " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 15 Oct 1998 21:56:50 -0000

I do have some re-elephant news for y'all Lady Isabelle and I are stll here
and have yet to fall off the edge of the earth. I am working nights at
Maddox and probably won't be able to attend fighter practice for awhile.
Isabelle would like to attend fighter practice if she could get a ride.

Hugs to all see you soon (I hope)...
Lord Raven

Fight with your heart and your sword will follow...(^)


----------
> From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (cdc) CdC update
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 3:46 PM
>
> Salutations to all!
>
> I know that there are those of you who would like some updated
> information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented
> look' at the Shire in general.
>
> The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to
> seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known
> World.  To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before,  And
> where some have already been.  Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to
> See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?)  Matt and Talia, are moving to
> Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve
> dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or
> something else technical.
> WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE
> THEM!
>
> Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included.
> TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be
> our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia.  (I'll ask Lynnette if they need
> a Cosmotologist.)
>
> THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage
> at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif)
> proud of her.
>
> Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut
> throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat
> and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is
> beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and
> looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him,
> "Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire,
> does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".)
>
> Weeeelllll!  Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news
> please share with us!
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> Jurgi



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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 16 Oct 1998 08:16:40 -0700

jim l magruder wrote:
>
> Vivat to THL Lynnette.
>
> Just one question though.  What does "Sent to Quest and will be posed the
> question of Peerage" mean?
>
> Ciarrai
> (Carrie)
>

She was informed that she would be made a Laurel and they give her time
to prepare for it, rather than just spring it on her.  She can decide on
the appropriaite cerimony, clothing, and also be mentally prepared.  She
has time to decide wether to accept the responsibilities and stigmatisms
associated with the Laurel or reject them and remain human. (Rather than
be assimilated.) (Can you say "a-simple-headed" without chuckeling?)

Don't ask about A-simple-headed.  It's embarassing.

Jurgi



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 16 Oct 1998 08:49:26 -0700

.  She
> has time to decide wether to accept the responsibilities and stigmatisms
> associated with the Laurel or reject them and remain human.
>

A "stigmatism" is the focus of a lens on a single point.  A "stigma"
is a sign of disgrace.  I'm curious--what exactly were you trying to
say with regard to the (non-human) Laurels, Master Jurgen OL?

Mistress Rebecca OL

(please read with your tongue firmly planted in the side of your
mouth)



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) FWD:  SCA trashed in magazine
Date: 16 Oct 1998 08:57:48 -0700

This is forwarded from the Artemisian List.  The original message was
posted on another Kingdom's list.  This article shows why it is so
important that members of the SCA be on their best behaviour at all
times!  You never know who might be watching or evaluating the SCA
based on what they see you/us do.

Rebecca

>> So!  In the October issue of "Men's Health", in a little nook called
>> "Diversions," there exists a small screed on Odd Squads.  And, my
>> friends, if you have not guessed already from the one link that brings us
>>
>> all together, our favorite, hated, pastime is included in the list.
>>
>> That's right, at the bottom of the list with sub-headings like: What They
>>
>> Do, Best Reason to Join, Best Reason Not to Join, and Most Impressive
>> Accomplishments, lies the Society for Creative Anachronism.  We are
>> surpassed by, or perhaps in the case of "Save the Best for Last," are
>> considered weirder than:
>>     The International Correspondence of Corkscrew Addicts
>>     The Dirty Sole Society
>>     Tall Clubs International
>>     Mutual UFO Network
>>     Breatharians
>>
>> A few tidbits about these freaks that seek to join our exclusive club of
>> weirdoes:
>>
>>     The Corkscrew folks want to expand their membership to 50 people.
>> Aim high, guys, aim high.
>>
>>     The Dirty Soles are trying to develop a soleless shoe; the better to
>> go barefoot with.  Soleless?  I just heard William Bennett's heart skip a
>>
>> beat.
>>
>>     The Tall Clubs, well, they just want to meet, greet, and mate with
>> their own kind.  Vertically-challenged humans need not apply.
>>
>>     The Breatharians look to be a flash in the pan; they think they can
>> consume all the nutrients they need by breathing air and absorbing
>> sunlight. What's the phrase I'm looking for...oh yeah, "Idiocy is
>> self-correcting."
>>
>>     Then, there's us.  I shall give you verbatim our little "15 Minutes."
>>
>> "Society for Creative Anachronism", www.sca.org
>> What They Do:  Re-create the Middle Ages through crafts, festivals, and
>> costumes, and by saying 'm'lord' a lot.
>> Best Reason to Join:  You've got an urge to wear a jerkin.
>> Best Reason Not to Join:  You might find yourself mowing the local
>> Baron's lawn every other Saturday.
>> Most Impressive Accomplishments:  Offering new opportunities to those
>> unable to master twentieth-century social skills."
>>
>> --------- End forwarded message ----------
>
______________________________________________________
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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:06:13 -0600

PUN TAX ON JUERGI!!!!
I thought Kendle went to seek cattle with Gilly.
Are we being dismembered?
Was Landolf, in fact, pregnant?  Does the Weekly World News know about it?
Has anyone been reading Xanth lately?

These questions and more will be answered on...As the Bear Turns.
(Obviously turning the other cheeks.)
Rand


Jeff Lowe wrote:

> Salutations to all!
>
> I know that there are those of you who would like some updated
> information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented
> look' at the Shire in general.
>
> The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to
> seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known
> World.  To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before,  And
> where some have already been.  Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to
> See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?)  Matt and Talia, are moving to
> Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve
> dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or
> something else technical.
> WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE
> THEM!
>
> Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included.
> TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be
> our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia.  (I'll ask Lynnette if they need
> a Cosmotologist.)
>
> THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage
> at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif)
> proud of her.
>
> Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut
> throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat
> and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is
> beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and
> looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him,
> "Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire,
> does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".)
>
> Weeeelllll!  Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news
> please share with us!
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> Jurgi






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:13:05 -0600

Thanks for the hugs, Raven.  I can feel them from here.
Rand

jcrow wrote:

> I do have some re-elephant news for y'all Lady Isabelle and I are stll here
> and have yet to fall off the edge of the earth. I am working nights at
> Maddox and probably won't be able to attend fighter practice for awhile.
> Isabelle would like to attend fighter practice if she could get a ride.
>
> Hugs to all see you soon (I hope)...
> Lord Raven
>
> Fight with your heart and your sword will follow...(^)
>
> ----------
> > From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: (cdc) CdC update
> > Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 3:46 PM
> >
> > Salutations to all!
> >
> > I know that there are those of you who would like some updated
> > information about members of the Shire and 'a sleightly Jurgi demented
> > look' at the Shire in general.
> >
> > The Shire is loosing yet more members (No! We dont have Leprosy!) to
> > seek out new life and new civilizations in other parts of the Known
> > World.  To bodily go where no Cote du Cielians have gone before,  And
> > where some have already been.  Kendel Hanna moved, rather suddenly, to
> > See Attle. ( who is Attle anyway?)  Matt and Talia, are moving to
> > Milk-walk-key, Mini-Soda. (I think they will be living in a fast serve
> > dairy products mini mall.) Matt will be working with 'Air Drains' or
> > something else technical.
> > WE WILL MISS THEM BUT WISH THEM WELL IN WHERE-EVER THEIR ENDEAVORS TAKE
> > THEM!
> >
> > Crown List was fought last Saturday, with 40 participants, me included.
> > TRH Sir Sean and Kassandra, Became Royal Hairs to the Throng and will be
> > our Fourth King and Queen of Artemisia.  (I'll ask Lynnette if they need
> > a Cosmotologist.)
> >
> > THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of Peerage
> > at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very (Snif-snif)
> > proud of her.
> >
> > Sir Landolf, In his endeavors to return to good health, Fell among cut
> > throats and thieves and, well, that is to say, They missed his throat
> > and cut his belly, stealing his Colleen, (What he was doing with her is
> > beyond me!) He has had a difficult time of it but is now feeling and
> > looking himself, though is still on the road to Wellville.( I told him,
> > "Sir Landolf! Get out of the Wode!" But I'm just the lowe-ly Squire,
> > does he listen to me? He is still feeling a little 'Blue".)
> >
> > Weeeelllll!  Torcher is over! If'n you-all have any r-elephant news
> > please share with us!
> >
> > Thanks for your time!
> >
> > Jurgi






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:15:44 -0600

Huge VIVAT and BORK, BORK!  I think sent to the quest means that Juergi puts
her in a big envelope and sends her to a place where she will be
tested--hence posed the question, unless she has to go see a guy named Pierre
and he proposes to her.  I am unsure of the semantics.  (Or any other ticks
for that matter)
Rand

jim l magruder wrote:

> Vivat to THL Lynnette.
>
> Just one question though.  What does "Sent to Quest and will be posed the
> question of Peerage" mean?
>
> Ciarrai
> (Carrie)
>
> >THL Lynnette was Sent to Quest and will be posed the question of
> >Peerage at Birthday on Dec. 5th for Mistress of the Laurel. I'm very
> >(Snif-snif) proud of her.
>
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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:17:59 -0600

Rixa has an astigmatism.  She has to wear special lenses for it.  As for
Laurels being human, I thought we all regarded them as demi-gods.  Don't we?
Rand

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:

> .  She
> > has time to decide wether to accept the responsibilities and stigmatisms
> > associated with the Laurel or reject them and remain human.
> >
>
> A "stigmatism" is the focus of a lens on a single point.  A "stigma"
> is a sign of disgrace.  I'm curious--what exactly were you trying to
> say with regard to the (non-human) Laurels, Master Jurgen OL?
>
> Mistress Rebecca OL
>
> (please read with your tongue firmly planted in the side of your
> mouth)






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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 16 Oct 1998 14:06:37 -0700

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:

> A "stigmatism" is the focus of a lens on a single point.  A "stigma"
> is a sign of disgrace.  I'm curious--what exactly were you trying to
> say with regard to the (non-human) Laurels, Master Jurgen OL?
>
> Mistress Rebecca OL
>
> (please read with your tongue firmly planted in the side of your
> mouth)

Mea? I noot tying to thay noththin.  Can Iah take my thoung oout oph my
mouth noow?

I thinkk I gotta ctarlie horth in my toung.

jurgi



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From: "jcrow     " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 17 Oct 1998 11:30:14 -0000

Mabe we thould all Talth Thith way them mabee the unthimbleheded wod noth
tath uth tho therthly. As for Jurgan takeing his toung out of his mouth
would that not make him a mute. Then he really would be the Pale Writher.

From us
Raven, Isabelle, Zack

Fight with your heart and your sword will follow...(^)


----------
> From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
> Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 9:06 PM
>
> Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
>
> > A "stigmatism" is the focus of a lens on a single point.  A "stigma"
> > is a sign of disgrace.  I'm curious--what exactly were you trying to
> > say with regard to the (non-human) Laurels, Master Jurgen OL?
> >
> > Mistress Rebecca OL
> >
> > (please read with your tongue firmly planted in the side of your
> > mouth)
>
> Mea? I noot tying to thay noththin.  Can Iah take my thoung oout oph my
> mouth noow?
>
> I thinkk I gotta ctarlie horth in my toung.
>
> jurgi



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) : EK: Fw: Population figures
Date: 19 Oct 1998 08:10:31 -0700

Forwarded from the Artemisian list:

Membership numbers for each kingdom.  Note how low Artemisia's is.

>Aethelmaerc--728 sustaining, 368 associate/family, 1,096 total
>Ansteorra--1,047 sustaining, 462 a/f, 1,509 total
>An Tir--1,342 sust., 619 a/f, 1,961 total
>Artemisia--352 sust., 172 associate/family, 524 total
>Atenveldt--766 sust., 450 a/f, 1,216 total
>Atlantia--1,196 sust., 612 a/f, 1,808 total
>Caid--989 sust., 468 a/f, 1,457 total
>Calontir--704 sust., 359 a/f, 1,063 total
>Drachenwald--378 sust.(note--most are foreign memberships); 93 a/f, 471
total
>East--1,812 sust., 811 a/f, 2,623 total
>Meridies--1,268 sust., 695 a/f, 1,963 total
>Middle--2,855 sust., 1,363 a/f, 4,218 total
>Outlands--759 sust., 426 a/f, 1,185 total
>Trimaris--643 sust., 279 a/f, 922 total
>West--1,429 sust., 625 a/f, 2,054 total
>SCA totals--546 foreign, 14,720 sustaining, 7,802 associate/family,
24,070
>total
>
>NOTE:  Several kingdoms have a fair number of foreign memberships--West,
>Middle, and An Tir (and of course Drachenwald) most notably.  I folded
>those in with sustaining memberships.
>



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) Re: : EK: Fw: Population figures
Date: 19 Oct 1998 08:12:12 -0700

Again, from the Artemisian list.  How many Cote du Cielians are paid
members?  Should we be more firm in encouraging memberships in our
Shire? (the answer, by the way, is yes)

Rebecca

Melangell writes:

For anyones information, I was present at the January BoD meeting
here in Milpitas.  Very interesting stuff and one of the topics of
conversation was the dramatic fall off of Artmeisian numbers after
becoming a kingdom.  I got the impression that in hind site they
would not have made Artemisia a kingdom this early (Just my
impression, nothing was said, but...)  When the new "A" kingdom (I
forget which one??) presented their bid for going Kingdom, one of the
topics that was discussed was, will the population figures drop off
like Artemisias has?  Should we let this area go Kingdom if they have
the same problems that the new kingdom of Artemisia has?

Just something for Artemisians to keep in mind.   Maybe a membership
drive is in order?

Melangell
Artemisian in heart, Westie in body
[e-mail]






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From: Pug <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) (Fwd) Re: : EK: Fw: Population figures
Date: 19 Oct 1998 17:50:23 -0600 (MDT)


>Melangell
>Artemisian in heart, Westie in body

of course you are, your our CdC spy with the BoD!


Angus (who had a family membership before attending his first official (Pyr's)
event, and has never regretted it) Mac Aeda

P.S. I agree with Rebecca, the answer is yes, but with a qualification. I like
the option we give of letting people try this out before committing any money.
Lets let the  newbies practice and play with us for a while, and then put the
preasure on them when they have been to an event. If they are still interested,
they ought to be members!



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From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) membership
Date: 19 Oct 1998 13:52:12 -0600

I was considering not renewing my membership.  Isn't=20
that how to get rid of the money box before=20
doomsday???

Rixa




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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Pay to Play rule.
Date: 19 Oct 1998 23:40:09 -0600

You know there are a lot of clubs, organizations etc..., where "pay to play" is the
rule.  In the SCA we find too much of the problem of "newbies" remaining "newbies"
or unpaid members for quite some time in their SCA career.  Events used to be
required to charge an additional non-member fee, but that has gone away, and now
most groups don't.

It would seem that we are telling most people playing, hey come have fun, and
unless you want to hold an office or something, don't bother paying the membership
fee.

I would hope that everyone on this list is a member, and if not, please let me
know, because I do feel pretty strongly about paying to play.

In service to Artemisia and the Shire of Cote du Ciel,

Grifin,

an INACTIVE, but PAID member of the SCA, and administrator of this list.





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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) membership
Date: 20 Oct 1998 07:56:23 -0600

Bad Rixa!  No biscuit!
Landolf




"CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]> on 10/19/98 01:52:12 PM

Please respond to [e-mail]

cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)




I was considering not renewing my membership.  Isn't
that how to get rid of the money box before
doomsday???

Rixa











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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) membership
Date: 20 Oct 1998 08:10:33 -0700

No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you?  You just run off to Hawaii with
the funds.  That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday
report!!

Rebecca

> I was considering not renewing my membership.  Isn't
> that how to get rid of the money box before
> doomsday???
>
> Rixa
>
>
>



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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Fwd: [IR] Announcment of Known World Siege Contest at Estrella 1999
Date: 20 Oct 1998 08:32:36 PDT


You all might find this interesting...


>---------------------------------
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> Please forward this to any other SCA related discussion groups.
>>
>> Official Announcement of the 1999 Estrella War
>> Three Day Siege Activities
>>  and Known World Siege Combat Contest(s)
>>
>> The newly developed Society Wide Siege Combat rules and standards
will be in
>> force for all aspects of
>> these activities.  Before participating in any of the following
Estrella War
>> Siege activities all the
>> Engines and Crews will be inspected.  This inspection will be for
full
>> accordance to these new standards.
>> The inspection will take place on the main battle field, starting
Friday
>> afternoon, as early as 12:00 PM,
>> and closing at the start of Baron OttoÆs Siege Tourney currently
scheduled for
>> 3:00 PM.
>>
>> All 1999 Estrella War Siege Activities will take place on the main
battlefield
>> just across from, and in
>> view of, the Merchant's row area.
>>
>> Rules for the Know World Siege Combat contest (KWSC)
>>
>> o Any Siege Crew and Engine eligible to win the KWSC must have
participated in
>> ALL the Siege
>> Activities at this War.  Part of winning this KWSC is the ability to
build a
>> robust Engine that can
>> stand up to three days of hard use.
>>
>> o Any Engine to be considered for this award must appear reasonably
authentic
>> and be reasonably
>> authentically powered.
>>
>> o The winner of this contest will be decided by a consensus vote of
the Senior
>> Siege Marshaling
>> team consisting of: The Society Marshall for Missile Combat or his
designate,
>> along with the Siege
>> Marshall from any attending kingdom.  If any kingdom's Siege Marshall
cannot
>> be part of this
>> war, or his/her kingdom does not have such a position, then the
Senior
>> Marshall present, from that
>> kingdom, can appoint an alternate.  This team of marshals will
observe all
>> eligible engines as they
>> participate in all three days of activities.  They will vote after
the last
>> Siege Activity on Sunday and
>> announce the winner at grand court on Sunday Evening.
>>
>> o Besides the accolades of winning the first ever Known World Siege
Combat
>> contest, the winning
>> team will take home an appropriate SCA scroll and a prize containing
a one-
>> (1) ounce gold coin.
>>
>> Friday: Baron OttoÆs Siege Tourney has been changed to be a
two-phased Siege
>> Combat Tournament
>> . Note: a winning engine, in this contest, does not have to be
authentically
>> powered.
>>
>> o Phase 1: All the Engines will be invited to participate in a Siege
Combat
>> Demonstration Action
>> Shoot.  Each engine will be moved from one firing position to
another.  At
>> each firing position,
>> after their engine is ready, the crew will be given up to 10 shots in
a five
>> minute period, to hit a
>> man sized target positioned from 30 to 60 yards down range.
>>
>> o Phase 2: Each class of engine (Ballista, Catapult, Trebuchet) will
>> participate in a formal single
>> elimination Tournament.  Two competing engines and crew will start
twenty (20)
>> yards from one
>> of two fixed firing pits.  These two pits will be 40 yards apart.  On
the
>> Marshall's command each
>> team must move their engine to their assigned firing pit, get it
ready for
>> operation, and then,
>> utilizing counter battery fire, take out the opposing engine and/or
crew,
>> before they themselves are
>> taken out.
>>
>> o The best Crew \ Engine in each class will be awarded an engraved
drinking
>> mug, filled with
>> appropriate liquid.
>>
>> Saturday: War Point Scenarios Combat
>> This announcement is not intended to completely define these two
scenarios.
>>   Details about these scenarios are found in the War treaty.
>>
>> o Scenario 3. HADRIANÆS WALL. A 150 foot wall shall be constructed
across the
>> field.  Within this
>> length are three gates and two closed breaches.  Siege weapons shall
be
>> allowed, to open breach
>> points and as counter battery fire.
>>
>> o Scenario 5. BATTLE OF THE WHITE TOWER Initially a breach shall be
closed and
>> the gates
>> shall be open or closed as defined by previous scenarios.  Siege
weapons shall
>> be allowed, as
>> counter battery fire and by the attackers to open the gate or the
breach.
>>
>> Saturday: Arial Assault
>> Please be aware that for 1999 this is NOT a war point activity.
After the War
>> Point Scenarios have
>> completed, on the main battlefield, a hay bale barrier will be built
to
>> separate approximately equal
>>  teams of combat Archers and Siege Engines.  These will fight to the
death,
>> exhaustion, lack of
>> daylight, or running out of ammunition.  In this combat the ONLY way
to get a
>> kill is through
>> missile fire, combat archery or siege missiles.  This combat will
allow
>> gleaning of all missiles
>>  except fiberglass shafted arrows and PVC bolts/darts/javelins?
Wooden
>> shafted CBA arrows / bolts,
>> or any arrow that can penetrate a faceplate are not allowed at
Estrella.
>>
>> Sunday: Missile Assaults on Saturday's Battlefield
>>  While the main forces of the armies are battling in the war point
scenarios
>> in the PIT,
>> scenarios revolved around use of combat archery and siege/artillery
will take
>> place on
>>  Saturday's battlefield followed by a missile style Grand Melee.
>>
>> Any questions contact:
>>      Master Charles of the J.A.C.s:
>>       Atenveldt Siege Marshall and D.E.M.
>>      [e-mail]
>>      or [e-mail]
>


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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Joke
Date: 20 Oct 1998 10:14:05 -0600

Three computer programmers  and three accountants are traveling by
train to a conference.  At the station, the three accountants each buy
tickets and watch as the three computer programmers buy only a single
ticket.

"How are three  people going to travel on only one ticket?" asks an
accountant.   "Watch and  see,"  replies a computer programmer.  They
all board the train. The accountants take their respective seats, but
all three computer programmers  cram into a restroom and close the
door.   Shortly after the train departs, the conductor comes around
collecting tickets. He  knocks on the restroom door and says, "Ticket,
please."

The door opens just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in
hand. The conductor takes it and moves on.  The accountants see this and

agree it is quite a clever idea.

After the conference, the accountants decide to copy the  computer
programmers on the return trip and save some money. They buy a single
ticket for the return trip, but are astonished to see that the
computer programmers don't buy  any ticket at all. "How are you going to

travel without a ticket?" asks one perplexed accountant.  "Watch and
see" is the answer. They board the train, the three accountants cram
into one restroom and the three computer programmers cram into  another
one nearby.

Shortly after the train departs, one of the computer programmers
leaves his restroom and walks over to the restroom where the
accountants are hiding. He knocks on the door and says, "Ticket,
please."







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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) membership
Date: 20 Oct 1998 11:48:33 -0700

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
>
> No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you?  You just run off to Hawaii with
> the funds.  That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday
> report!!
>
> Rebecca
>
> > I was considering not renewing my membership.  Isn't
> > that how to get rid of the money box before
> > doomsday???
> >
> > Rixa
> >
> >
> >
It's more fun and more valid to run off to Hawaii with the Seneschal!
Then neither of us does the doomsday.

jurgi



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From: "Perry, Radford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (cdc) membership
Date: 20 Oct 1998 10:16:22 -0700

Bad, Jurgi!

What would your good Lady think if you abandoned her with a house full of
children.

- Baldwin

> ----------
> From:     Jeff Lowe[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:48 AM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     Re: (cdc) membership
>
> Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> >
> > No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you?  You just run off to Hawaii with
> > the funds.  That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday
> > report!!
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> > > I was considering not renewing my membership.  Isn't
> > > that how to get rid of the money box before
> > > doomsday???
> > >
> > > Rixa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> It's more fun and more valid to run off to Hawaii with the Seneschal!
> Then neither of us does the doomsday.
>
> jurgi
>



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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (cdc) membership
Date: 20 Oct 1998 11:22:43 -0600

Thanks, Baldwin, for stepping in and pointing out Jurgen's inappropriate
behavior.
Bad Jurgen!  No biscuit!
You know, I'm really considering getting a book with black pages for
him.(LOL)
Landolf




"Perry, Radford" <[e-mail]> on 10/20/98 11:16:22 AM

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Bad, Jurgi!

What would your good Lady think if you abandoned her with a house full of
children.

- Baldwin

> ----------
> From:   Jeff Lowe[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:    [e-mail]
> Sent:   Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:48 AM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     Re: (cdc) membership
>
> Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> >
> > No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you?  You just run off to Hawaii with
> > the funds.  That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday
> > report!!
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> > > I was considering not renewing my membership.  Isn't
> > > that how to get rid of the money box before
> > > doomsday???
> > >
> > > Rixa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> It's more fun and more valid to run off to Hawaii with the Seneschal!
> Then neither of us does the doomsday.
>
> jurgi
>










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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) membership
Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:48:54 -0600

Landolf,
I accept!!!  (And we have to hurry.  When you get back to 100%, I may as
well roll over and die, BUT while you are still down, I ACCEPT!)

Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:

> Bad Rixa!  No biscuit!
> Landolf
>
> "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]> on 10/19/98 01:52:12 PM
>
> Please respond to [e-mail]
>
> To:   [e-mail]
> cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)
> Subject:  (cdc) membership
>
> I was considering not renewing my membership.  Isn't
> that how to get rid of the money box before
> doomsday???
>
> Rixa






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Joke
Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:58:34 -0600

Responding to John's Joke:
Ground yourself before reading:
Three guys die, an engineer, a construction worker and a psychiatrist.  They
get up to the pearly gates and Peter is in a baaaad mood.  He looks at the
engineer and says, "You designed the superdome that collapsed and killed
thousands.  You go to hell," and off he went.  Next he turns to the
construction worker and says, "You helped build the superdome.  You go too,"
so down he went.  He looks skeptically at the psychiatrist and asks, "Do I
even need to look at your records?"  The psychiatrist turns to leave, but
St. Peter says, "Hold on, you are a psychiatrist, right?"  He says, very
profoundly, "Yeah."  St. Peter says, "Why don't you come on in.  God thinks
he's Bill Gates again."

Also,
Bumperstickers:
Cover me.  I'm changing lanes.
As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools.
Montana--at least the cows are sane!
I didn't fight may way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian!
Your kid may be an honor student, but you are still an IDIOT!
Friends don't let friends drive naked.
If we aren't supposed to eat the animals, why are they made of meat?

Have Fun,
Rand




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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) membership
Date: 21 Oct 1998 10:59:33 -0600

Bad, Bad Jurgi!!! What would the good lady's husband think???  See previous
message to Landolf.
Rand

Perry, Radford wrote:

> Bad, Jurgi!
>
> What would your good Lady think if you abandoned her with a house full of
> children.
>
> - Baldwin
>
> > ----------
> > From:         Jeff Lowe[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Reply To:     [e-mail]
> > Sent:         Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:48 AM
> > To:   [e-mail]
> > Subject:      Re: (cdc) membership
> >
> > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> > >
> > > No, Rixa, you don't get it, do you?  You just run off to Hawaii with
> > > the funds.  That is a more fun way to get out of doing the Doomsday
> > > report!!
> > >
> > > Rebecca
> > >
> > > > I was considering not renewing my membership.  Isn't
> > > > that how to get rid of the money box before
> > > > doomsday???
> > > >
> > > > Rixa
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > It's more fun and more valid to run off to Hawaii with the Seneschal!
> > Then neither of us does the doomsday.
> >
> > jurgi
> >






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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) Re: : EK: Fw: Population figures
Date: 21 Oct 1998 15:04:15 -0700

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Reply-to:      [e-mail]

Agnese here, in a rare post.

    I note some concerns about the apparent "dramatic" drop in our sustaining
membership since becoming a Kingdom.  Let me present you with the facts.  When our
petition was assembled in Fall 1996, we had 443 sustaining members.  In January
1997 when Mistress frisha compiled the  Doomsday report, we had 497.  As of
December 1997 we had   413 ,  as of March 31, 1998 we had 440, and as of September
30, 1998, we had 454.  These numbers are pretty consistent, with the 497
representing an increase during active recruitment, just prior to achieving Kingdom
status.   In the months following Kingdom status, we lost over a dozen members,
several of them peers, through emigration to other Kingdoms, notably Ansteorra, An
Tir, the East and the West.  The number which caused concern, was that published by
the Registry on the Internet, 352.  At first glance, this number would seem to
indicate a sharp drop in membership.  This number is incorrect.  When we became a
Kingdom, not all of our zip codes were correctly transferred and coded as
Artemisia.  There are several members affected by this issue scattered over Idaho,
Wyoming and Colorado, and over 60 of them in the Salt Lake Valley alone.  This has
resulted in underreporting of our membership.  Until the Registry installs the new
software and database, this problem will persist.  I monitor our membership levels
on a monthly basis.  Despite what you may have heard, the zip code lists are only
about two weeks old when I receive them.  I become concerned when our membership
drops below 425.  The Board of Directors was aware of the rural nature of
Artemisia, and the difficulty in maintaining sustaining memberships, when they
granted our petition.  The Board prefers to see 500 for an area requesting Kingdom
status.  Until such time as our sustaining membership remains steadily over 500, we
must constantly  encourage the populace to invest in sustaining memberships.


Just a thought... The coffers of many (though of course, not all) of our branches
are quite healthy.  If site fees were to experience a general reduction, would this
enable memberships numbers to rise?

Agnese


Kenneth D. Stokesberry wrote:

> On Monday, October 19, 1998 1:26 PM, Karen O [SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Artemisia--352 sust., 172 associate/family, 524 total
> >
> >
> >     Just to   *add*  to the numbers game:  there are 260  combat
> > authorization cards issued to  Artemisia.
> >
> >     Caointiarn
> >     Deputy of the Marshallate  Rolls
> >
> >
>
> WAR






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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Message from Camilla
Date: 21 Oct 1998 14:59:32 -0600

To Cache Valley Cote du Cielians:  Help.

My darn vehicle has decided not to start, yet again, and I have no
transportaion home from work.  I get done around 6pm.  I'm in North
Logan and need to get to Matt & Talia's former apartment to retrieve the

car!  Hopefully, it will start by that time and I can then come to
fighter's practice tonight.

If anyone can and will pick me up at work, please write back or call me
at said work at 755-5895 extension 10.

Thanks so much!!  (Sorry for the "bandwidth"!)

Camilla




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From: [e-mail] (Carrie A. Beach)
Subject: Re: (cdc) CdC update
Date: 21 Oct 1998 20:39:54 -0600


Thank you for the info.
You know, I always enjoy your view on life.

Have a good day.
Ciarrai


>She was informed that she would be made a Laurel and they give her
>time
>to prepare for it, rather than just spring it on her.  She can decide
>on
>the appropriaite cerimony, clothing, and also be mentally prepared.
>She
>has time to decide wether to accept the responsibilities and
>stigmatisms
>associated with the Laurel or reject them and remain human. (Rather
>than
>be assimilated.) (Can you say "a-simple-headed" without chuckeling?)
>
>Don't ask about A-simple-headed.  It's embarassing.
>
>Jurgi
>
>

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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) membership
Date: 22 Oct 1998 08:08:56 -0600

Rand,
I usually let my squires take care of the light work.
Landolf




Randy Chabries <[e-mail]> on 10/21/98 10:48:54 AM

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Landolf,
I accept!!!  (And we have to hurry.  When you get back to 100%, I may as
well roll over and die, BUT while you are still down, I ACCEPT!)

Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:

> Bad Rixa!  No biscuit!
> Landolf
>
> "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]> on 10/19/98 01:52:12 PM
>
> Please respond to [e-mail]
>
> To:   [e-mail]
> cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)
> Subject:  (cdc) membership
>
> I was considering not renewing my membership.  Isn't
> that how to get rid of the money box before
> doomsday???
>
> Rixa













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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 22 Oct 1998 10:03:09 -0700

There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding
the low membership numbers.  Some ideas have been bandied about.
Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our
coffers healthy?):

At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA
membership.  In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a
certain time (say, 11 am).   Everyone who is on site and has paid
their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing.  I think this might
draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because
they would have a free chance at a membership.  We could do this at
the Feast for St Pyr, too.

Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup
part of the loss of the membership.  Make the price cheap so
everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1.

Rebecca



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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) membership
Date: 22 Oct 1998 11:34:26 -0600

> Rand,
> I usually let my squires take care of the light work.
> Landolf

Ok, Ok.  Me hop in line.  Me got cold so not there last night, but ready to go,
yuppers, yuppers.....


Gwfy.





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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:12:12 -0700

Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
>
> There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding
> the low membership numbers.  Some ideas have been bandied about.
> Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our
> coffers healthy?):

This reminds me of a joke:  What did one casket say to the other?

                Answer:  Is that you coffin'?

Heeee-heee-heeef....   Oh! You said Coughers?  WEBSTER States, and I
quote.  "Cougher:  Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds,
which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs."

Now! I ask you honestly,  Are they healthy?


>
> At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA
> membership.  In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a
> certain time (say, 11 am).   Everyone who is on site and has paid
> their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing.  I think this might
> draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because
> they would have a free chance at a membership.  We could do this at
> the Feast for St Pyr, too.
>
> Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup
> part of the loss of the membership.  Make the price cheap so
> everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1.
>
> Rebecca

 All very good Ideas!  But... I feel that the incentives to play this
game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance,
For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered.
Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that
information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at
his stuff.

( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but
you can see where I am comming from.)

What can be offered to the common newbee?

You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member?
You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual
fee.

What?  I know.  Jurgi, back to your cage.

There's gotta be answers.



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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Re: [Fwd: long but good]
Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:29:18 -0700

>
> ALL GOOD THINGS
> >
> >He was in the first third grade class I taught at Saint Mary's School in
> >Morris, Minn.  All 34 of my students were dear to me, but Mark Eklund
> >was one in a million.  Very neat in appearance, but had that
> >happy-to-be-alive attitude that made even his occasional mischievousness
> >delightful.
> >
> >Mark talked incessantly.  I had to remind him again and again that
> >talking without permission was not acceptable.  What impressed me so
> >much, though, was his sincere response every time I had to correct him
> >for misbehaving - "Thank you for correcting me, Sister!"
> >
> >I didn't know what to make of it at first, but before long I became
> >accustomed to hearing it many times a day.
> >
> >One morning my patience was growing thin when Mark talked once too
> >often, and then I made a novice-teacher's mistake.  I looked at Mark and
> >said, "If you say one more word, I am going to tape your mouth shut!"
> >
> >It wasn't ten seconds later when Chuck blurted out, "Mark is talking
> >again."  I hadn't asked any of the students to help me watch Mark, but
> >since I had stated the punishment in front of the class, I had to act on
> >it.
> >
> >I remember the scene as if it had occurred this morning.  I walked to my
> >desk, very deliberately opened my drawer and took out a roll of masking
> >tape.  Without saying a word, I proceeded to Mark's desk, tore off two
> >pieces of tape and made a big X with them over his mouth.  I then
> >returned to the front of the room.
> >
> >As I glanced at Mark to see how he was doing, he winked at me. That did
> >it!!  I started laughing.  The class cheered as I walked back to Mark's
> >desk, removed the tape, and shrugged my shoulders.  His first words
> >were, "Thank you for correcting me, Sister."
> >
> >At the end of the year, I was asked to teach junior-high math. The years
> >flew by, and before I knew it Mark was in my classroom again. He was more
> >handsome than ever and just as polite.  Since he had to listen carefully
> >to my instruction in the "new math," he did not talk as much in ninth
> >grade as he had in third.  One Friday, things just didn't feel right.  We
> >had worked hard on a new concept all week, and I sensed that the students
> >were frowning, frustrated with themselves - and edgy with one another.  I
> >had to stop this crankiness before it got out of hand. So I asked them to
> >list the names of the other students in the room on two sheets of paper,
> >leaving a space between each name.  Then I told them to think of the
> >nicest thing they could say about each of their classmates and write it
> >down.  It took the remainder of the class period to finish their
> >assignment, and as the students left the room, each one handed me the
> >papers.  Charlie smiled.
> >
> >Mark said, "Thank you for teaching me, Sister.  Have a good weekend."
> >
> >That Saturday, I wrote down the name of each student on a separate sheet
> >of paper, and I listed what everyone else had said about that
> >individual.  On Monday I gave each student his or her list. Before long,
> >the entire class was smiling.  "Really?"  I heard whispered. "I never
> >knew that meant anything to anyone!"  "I didn't know others liked me so
> >much." No one ever mentioned those papers in class again.  I never knew
> >if they discussed them after class or with their parents, but it didn't
> >matter.  The exercise had accomplished its purpose.  The students were
> >happy with themselves and one another again.
> >
> >That group of students moved on.  Several years later, after I returned
> >from vacation, my parents met me at the airport.  As we were driving
> >home, Mother asked me the usual questions about the trip - the weather,
> >my experiences in general.  There was a lull in the conversation.
> >
> >Mother gave Dad a side-ways glance and simply says, "Dad?"  My father
> >cleared his throat as he usually did before something important. "The
> >Eklunds called last night," he began.  "Really?"  I said.  "I haven't
> >heard from them in years.  I wonder how Mark is."
> >
> >Dad responded quietly.  "Mark was killed in Vietnam," he said. "The
> >funeral is tomorrow, and his parents would like it if you could attend."
> >
> >To this day I can still point to the exact spot on I-494 where Dad told
> >me about Mark.
> >
> >I had never seen a serviceman in a military coffin before.  Mark looked
> >so handsome, so mature.  All I could think at that moment was, Mark I
> >would give all the masking tape in the world if only you would talk to
> >me.
> >
> >The church was packed with Mark's friends.  Chuck's sister sang "The
> >Battle Hymn of the Republic."  Why did it have to rain on the day of the
> >funeral? It was difficult enough at the graveside.  The pastor said the
> >usual prayers, and the bugler played taps.  One by one those who loved
> >Mark took a last walk by the coffin and sprinkled it with holy water.
> >
> >I was the last one to bless the coffin.  As I stood there, one of the
> >soldiers who acted as pallbearer came up to me.  "Were you Mark's math
> >teacher?" he asked.  I nodded as I continued to stare at the coffin.
> >
> >"Mark talked about you a lot," he said.
> >
> >After the funeral, most of Mark's former classmates headed to Chuck's
> >farmhouse for lunch.  Mark's mother and father were there, obviously
> >waiting for me.  "We want to show you something," his father said,
> >taking a wallet out of his pocket.  "They found this on Mark when he was
> >killed. We thought you might recognize it."
> >
> >Opening the billfold, he carefully removed two worn pieces of notebook
> >paper that had obviously been taped, folded and refolded many times. I
> >knew without looking that the papers were the ones on which I had listed
> >all the good things each of Mark's classmates had said about him.
> >
> >"Thank you so much for doing that," Mark's mother said.  "As you can
> >see, Mark treasured it."
> >
> >Mark's classmates started to gather around us.  Charlie smiled rather
> >sheepishly and said, "I still have my list.  It's in the top drawer of
> >my desk at home."  Chuck's wife said, "Chuck asked me to put his in our
> >wedding album."
> >
> >"I have mine too," Marilyn said.  "It's in my diary."
> >
> >Then Vicki, another classmate, reached into her pocketbook, took out her
> >wallet and showed her worn and frazzled list to the group.  "I carry
> >this with me at all times," Vicki said without batting an eyelash. "I
> >think we all saved our lists."
> >
> >That's when I finally sat down and cried.  I cried for Mark and for all
> >his friends who would never see him again.
> >
> >THE END
> >Written by:  Sister Helen P. Mrosla
> >
> >The purpose of this letter is to encourage everyone to compliment the
> >people you love and care about.  We often tend to forget the importance
> >of showing our affections and love.  Sometimes the smallest of things,
> >could  mean the most to another.  I am asking you, to please send this
> >letter around and spread the message and encouragement, to express your
> >love and caring by complimenting and being open with communication.
> >
> >The density of  people in society is so thick that we forget that life
> >will end one day. And we don't know when that one day will be.  So
> >please, I beg of you, to tell the people you love and care for, that
> >they are special and important.  Tell them, before it is too late. If
> >you do not send it, you will have, once again passed up the opportunity
> >to do something loving and beautiful and continue the trend that gives
> >you problems in your relationships.
> >
> >If you've received this it is because someone cares for you and it means
> >there is probably at least someone for whom you care. If you're too busy
> >to take the few minutes that it would take right now  to forward this to
> >ten people, would it be the first time you didn't do that little thing
> >that would make a difference in your relationships?
> >

When I read this I was touched!  I love each person subscribed to this
list.  Life is too short to let friendships slide or to loose contact.
I think often on Friends that are far away.  I was deeply touched by
Tegan's willingness to come to Uprising just for my Vigil, And Baldwin
and Mel for all the support and attendance to Cote du Ciel things when
it is such a burden to them.  And Griffin for running this list in the
first place which help to bind my frazzled friendships into a tighter
bond.

Thank you!  There are no words for my feelings.

Jurgi



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:15:18 -0600

Good points, Jurgi.
 There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we allow
anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our
gatherings.  Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts at
the events they hold.   I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports car
club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and
bragging rights).  When I asked him what the admission was to the next
race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for non-members.
We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional
now.
SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch
when it comes to paying for things.  Why should one pay dues when there is
no benefit for doing so?
As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership.
Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees.  Lower the price of
memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right.  Provide
a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership.  Impress upon newcomers the
importance of membership.  Allow only a short grace period for
newcomers/investigators to play without a membership.
I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible to
enact, so why bother to even suggest them?  The only reason is that I have
felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy.  This may
drive numbers even lower.   Who knows?
This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon nap,
Landolf




Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM

Please respond to [e-mail]

cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)




Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
>
> There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding
> the low membership numbers.  Some ideas have been bandied about.
> Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our
> coffers healthy?):

This reminds me of a joke:  What did one casket say to the other?

                    Answer:  Is that you coffin'?

Heeee-heee-heeef....   Oh! You said Coughers?  WEBSTER States, and I
quote.  "Cougher:  Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds,
which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs."

Now! I ask you honestly,  Are they healthy?


>
> At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA
> membership.  In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a
> certain time (say, 11 am).   Everyone who is on site and has paid
> their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing.  I think this might
> draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because
> they would have a free chance at a membership.  We could do this at
> the Feast for St Pyr, too.
>
> Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup
> part of the loss of the membership.  Make the price cheap so
> everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1.
>
> Rebecca

 All very good Ideas!  But... I feel that the incentives to play this
game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance,
For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered.
Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that
information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at
his stuff.

( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but
you can see where I am comming from.)

What can be offered to the common newbee?

You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member?
You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual
fee.

What?  I know.  Jurgi, back to your cage.

There's gotta be answers.










-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Perry, Radford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 22 Oct 1998 13:39:02 -0700

Just a couple of quick questions to help muddy the water.
-  How many authorized fighters do you have?
-  Do they have memberships?

The best check point for memberships is whenever a person needs to register
(or sign in).  It seems to me that whenever registration or authorization is
called for, proof of membership should also be required.  This only
"penalizes" the people that are taking part in contests and tournaments,
spectators could still play "free".  This kind of ruling could also be
implemented for registering devices and names or receiveing awards.  If a
person has reached this point, they should be willing to make the commitment
and help support the organization.
    This is just my random thoughts on the matter.  So please,  don't
everyone pound on me at once.  The line forms to the rear.
 - Baldwin
> ----------
> From:     Olan G Mikkelsen
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Thursday, October 22, 1998 8:15 PM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
>
> Good points, Jurgi.
>  There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we
> allow
> anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our
> gatherings.  Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts
> at
> the events they hold.   I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports
> car
> club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and
> bragging rights).  When I asked him what the admission was to the next
> race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for
> non-members.
> We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional
> now.
> SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch
> when it comes to paying for things.  Why should one pay dues when there is
> no benefit for doing so?
> As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership.
> Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees.  Lower the price
> of
> memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right.  Provide
> a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership.  Impress upon newcomers the
> importance of membership.  Allow only a short grace period for
> newcomers/investigators to play without a membership.
> I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible
> to
> enact, so why bother to even suggest them?  The only reason is that I have
> felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy.  This may
> drive numbers even lower.   Who knows?
> This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon
> nap,
> Landolf
>
>
>
>
> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM
>
> Please respond to [e-mail]
>
> To:   [e-mail]
> cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)
> Subject:  Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
>
>
>
>
> Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> >
> > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding
> > the low membership numbers.  Some ideas have been bandied about.
> > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our
> > coffers healthy?):
>
> This reminds me of a joke:  What did one casket say to the other?
>
>                     Answer:  Is that you coffin'?
>
> Heeee-heee-heeef....   Oh! You said Coughers?  WEBSTER States, and I
> quote.  "Cougher:  Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds,
> which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs."
>
> Now! I ask you honestly,  Are they healthy?
>
>
> >
> > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA
> > membership.  In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a
> > certain time (say, 11 am).   Everyone who is on site and has paid
> > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing.  I think this might
> > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because
> > they would have a free chance at a membership.  We could do this at
> > the Feast for St Pyr, too.
> >
> > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup
> > part of the loss of the membership.  Make the price cheap so
> > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1.
> >
> > Rebecca
>
>  All very good Ideas!  But... I feel that the incentives to play this
> game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance,
> For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered.
> Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that
> information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at
> his stuff.
>
> ( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but
> you can see where I am comming from.)
>
> What can be offered to the common newbee?
>
> You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member?
> You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual
> fee.
>
> What?  I know.  Jurgi, back to your cage.
>
> There's gotta be answers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "jcrow     " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:49:54 -0000

I being a newly paid member for rreasons that i feel are in approprate to
discuss in this forum would like to offer a suggestion allong the lines of
a pay to play polocy. I propose that as a benefit of being a member you
have the option of becoming an authorized fighter (under kingdom and sca
laws of course) and therefore an option of participating in combat events
and shire tournaments. I also think that Jurgans suggestion of makeing it a
requirement for useing the shire armour was a great addition to this rule.

----------
> From: Olan G Mikkelsen <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 8:15 PM
>
> Good points, Jurgi.
>  There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we
allow
> anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our
> gatherings.  Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts
at
> the events they hold.   I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports
car
> club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and
> bragging rights).  When I asked him what the admission was to the next
> race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for
non-members.
> We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is
optional
> now.
> SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy
bunch
> when it comes to paying for things.  Why should one pay dues when there
is
> no benefit for doing so?
> As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership.
> Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees.  Lower the price
of
> memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right.
Provide
> a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership.  Impress upon newcomers the
> importance of membership.  Allow only a short grace period for
> newcomers/investigators to play without a membership.
> I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible
to
> enact, so why bother to even suggest them?  The only reason is that I
have
> felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy.  This may
> drive numbers even lower.   Who knows?
> This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon
nap,
> Landolf
>
>
>
>
> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM
>
> Please respond to [e-mail]
>
> To:   [e-mail]
> cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)
> Subject:  Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
>
>
>
>
> Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> >
> > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding
> > the low membership numbers.  Some ideas have been bandied about.
> > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our
> > coffers healthy?):
>
> This reminds me of a joke:  What did one casket say to the other?
>
>                     Answer:  Is that you coffin'?
>
> Heeee-heee-heeef....   Oh! You said Coughers?  WEBSTER States, and I
> quote.  "Cougher:  Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds,
> which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs."
>
> Now! I ask you honestly,  Are they healthy?
>
>
> >
> > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA
> > membership.  In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a
> > certain time (say, 11 am).   Everyone who is on site and has paid
> > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing.  I think this might
> > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because
> > they would have a free chance at a membership.  We could do this at
> > the Feast for St Pyr, too.
> >
> > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup
> > part of the loss of the membership.  Make the price cheap so
> > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1.
> >
> > Rebecca
>
>  All very good Ideas!  But... I feel that the incentives to play this
> game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance,
> For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered.
> Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that
> information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at
> his stuff.
>
> ( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but
> you can see where I am comming from.)
>
> What can be offered to the common newbee?
>
> You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member?
> You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual
> fee.
>
> What?  I know.  Jurgi, back to your cage.
>
> There's gotta be answers.
>
>
>
>
>
>



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 22 Oct 1998 15:22:26 -0700

Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:
>
> Good points, Jurgi.
>  There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we allow
> anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our
> gatherings.  Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts at
> the events they hold.   I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports car
> club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and
> bragging rights).  When I asked him what the admission was to the next
> race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for non-members.
> We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional
> now.
> SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch
> when it comes to paying for things.  Why should one pay dues when there is
> no benefit for doing so?
> As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership.
> Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees.  Lower the price of
> memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right.  Provide
> a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership.  Impress upon newcomers the
> importance of membership.  Allow only a short grace period for
> newcomers/investigators to play without a membership.
> I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible to
> enact, so why bother to even suggest them?  The only reason is that I have
> felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy.  This may
> drive numbers even lower.   Who knows?
> This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon nap,
> Landolf
>

I agree.  What about a temporary membership card? (i.e. valid for six
months or 90 days.) Free trial membership.  After this time payment is
due for further participation. How can we argue with that?

Jurgi

Oh.  By the way. you Know how many people have told me that they wanted
to make armor in the last six months and said in the same breath, " this
is my thing! I'll never leave!"

Answer:  six

You know how many are still around?

Answer:  Two

Thanks RaND AND AnGus!

We'll be armoring soon!

Jurgi



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 22 Oct 1998 15:32:13 -0700

Perry, Radford wrote:
>
> Just a couple of quick questions to help muddy the water.
> -  How many authorized fighters do you have?
> -  Do they have memberships?
>
> The best check point for memberships is whenever a person needs to register
> (or sign in).  It seems to me that whenever registration or authorization is
> called for, proof of membership should also be required.  This only
> "penalizes" the people that are taking part in contests and tournaments,
> spectators could still play "free".  This kind of ruling could also be
> implemented for registering devices and names or receiveing awards.  If a
> person has reached this point, they should be willing to make the commitment
> and help support the organization.
>         This is just my random thoughts on the matter.  So please,  don't
> everyone pound on me at once.  The line forms to the rear.
>  - Baldwin

You have a good point!  Anyone who activly participates in fighting or
Arts classes should pay a per time fee (For newbees) or be a member.

Thanks Baldwin!

Jurgi



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "jcrow     " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 22 Oct 1998 15:14:52 -0000

I feel that maybe if we made it an incentive for attending events it would
be ok if it was done farely for instance: the site fee for birthday is 3 if
you don't eat it's already decided on. We could give a 1 or 2 dollar
discount to those who are members.
I think the member discount problems come when the fee is raised in order
to give the discount. Like raising the fee from 10 to 12 and then giving
the members a two dollar discount.

----------
> From: Olan G Mikkelsen <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 8:15 PM
>
> Good points, Jurgi.
>  There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we
allow
> anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our
> gatherings.  Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts
at
> the events they hold.   I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports
car
> club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and
> bragging rights).  When I asked him what the admission was to the next
> race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for
non-members.
> We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is
optional
> now.
> SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy
bunch
> when it comes to paying for things.  Why should one pay dues when there
is
> no benefit for doing so?
> As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership.
> Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees.  Lower the price
of
> memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right.
Provide
> a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership.  Impress upon newcomers the
> importance of membership.  Allow only a short grace period for
> newcomers/investigators to play without a membership.
> I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible
to
> enact, so why bother to even suggest them?  The only reason is that I
have
> felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy.  This may
> drive numbers even lower.   Who knows?
> This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon
nap,
> Landolf
>
>
>
>
> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM
>
> Please respond to [e-mail]
>
> To:   [e-mail]
> cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)
> Subject:  Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
>
>
>
>
> Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> >
> > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding
> > the low membership numbers.  Some ideas have been bandied about.
> > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our
> > coffers healthy?):
>
> This reminds me of a joke:  What did one casket say to the other?
>
>                     Answer:  Is that you coffin'?
>
> Heeee-heee-heeef....   Oh! You said Coughers?  WEBSTER States, and I
> quote.  "Cougher:  Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds,
> which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs."
>
> Now! I ask you honestly,  Are they healthy?
>
>
> >
> > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA
> > membership.  In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a
> > certain time (say, 11 am).   Everyone who is on site and has paid
> > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing.  I think this might
> > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because
> > they would have a free chance at a membership.  We could do this at
> > the Feast for St Pyr, too.
> >
> > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup
> > part of the loss of the membership.  Make the price cheap so
> > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1.
> >
> > Rebecca
>
>  All very good Ideas!  But... I feel that the incentives to play this
> game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance,
> For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered.
> Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that
> information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at
> his stuff.
>
> ( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but
> you can see where I am comming from.)
>
> What can be offered to the common newbee?
>
> You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member?
> You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual
> fee.
>
> What?  I know.  Jurgi, back to your cage.
>
> There's gotta be answers.
>
>
>
>
>
>



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Arthur Wagner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 22 Oct 1998 16:21:07 -0700

> Just a couple of quick questions to help muddy the water.
> -  How many authorized fighters do you have?
> -  Do they have memberships?

I believe an authorized fighter *must* be a member, it's an insurance
specification.  Of course with life-time authorizations one could be a member at
the time of authorization and let it lapse later....

Gillian




-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Tecknoman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Do YOU Fell Old ;)
Date: 25 Jun 1998 08:41:04 -0600

Here's alittle somthing for some of us to think about.............

                                                            Guenhwyver



What College Freshmen Of 1998 Know: A Perspective of Interesting facts:

The people who are starting college this fall across the nation were born in
1980.

They have no meaningful recollection of the Reagan era and did not know he had
ever been shot.

They were prepubescent when the Persian Gulf  War was waged.

Black Monday 1987 is as significant to them as the Great Depression.

There has only been one Pope.

They can only really remember one president.

They were 11 when the Soviet Union broke apart and do not remember the Cold
War.

They have never feared a nuclear war. "The Day After" is a pill to them, not a
movie. CCCP is just a bunch of letters.
They have only known one Germany.

They are too young to remember the Space shuttle blowing up, and Tienamin
Square means nothing to them.

They do not know who Momar Qadafi is.

Their lifetime has always included AIDS.

They never had a Polio shot and likely do not know what it is.

Bottle caps have not only always been screw off, but have always been plastic.
They have no idea what a pull top can looks like.

Atari pre-dates them, as do vinyl albums.  The expression "you sound like a
broken record" means nothing to them. They have never owned a record Player.

They have likely never  played Pac Man and have never heard of Pong.

Star Wars looks very fake and the special effects are pathetic.

There have always been red M&M's, and blue ones are not new. What do you mean
there used to be beige ones?

They may have heard of an 8-track, but chances are they probably have never
actually seen or heard one. The Compact Disc was introduced when they were 1
year old.

As far as they know, stamps have always cost about 32 cents.

Zip codes have always had a dash in them.

They have always had an answering machine.

Most have never seen a TV set with only 13 channels, nor have they seen a
black and white TV. They have always had cable. There have always been VCR's,
but they have no idea what Beta is. They cannot fathom not having a remote
control.

They were born the year that the Walkman was introduced by Sony.

Roller-skating has always meant inline for them.

They have never heard of King Cola, Burger Chef, The Globe Democrat, Pan AM or
Ozark Airlines.

The Tonight Show has always been hosted by Jay Leno.

They have no idea when or why Jordache jeans were cool.

Popcorn has always been cooked in a microwave.

They have never seen and remember a game that included the St. Louis Football
Cardinals, the Baltimore Colts, the Minnesota North Stars, the Kansas City
Kings, the New Orleans Jazz, the Minnesota Lakers, the Atlanta Flames, or the
Denver Rockies (NHL hockey, that is).

They do not consider the Colorado Rockies, the Florida Marlins, the Florida
Panthers, the Ottawa Senators, the San Jose Sharks, or the Tampa Bay Lightning
"expansion teams."

They have never seen Larry Bird play, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a football
player.

They never took a swim and thought about Jaws.

The Vietnam War is as ancient history to them as WWI, WWII or even the Civil
War.

They have no idea that Americans were ever held hostage in Iran.

They can't imagine what hard contact lenses are.

They don't know who Mork was or where he was from.

They never heard the terms "Where's the beef?" "I'd Walk a mile for Camel", or
"de plane, de  plane!".

They do not care who shot J.R. and have no idea who J.R. is.

The Cosby Show, The Facts of Life, Silver Spoons, The Love Boat, Miami Vice,
WKRP in Cincinnati, and Taxi are shows they have likely never seen.

The Titanic was found? I didn't know it was lost.

Michael Jackson has always been white.

They cannot remember the Cardinals ever winning a World Series, or even being
in one.

Kansas, Chicago,Boston, America  and Alabama are places, not groups.

McDonalds never came in Styrofoam containers.

Do you feel old now?  Remember, the people who don't know these things will be
in college this year.










-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 23 Oct 1998 09:28:32 -0700

> I feel that maybe if we made it an incentive for attending events it would
> be ok if it was done farely for instance: the site fee for birthday is 3 if
> you don't eat it's already decided on. We could give a 1 or 2 dollar
> discount to those who are members.
> I think the member discount problems come when the fee is raised in order
> to give the discount. Like raising the fee from 10 to 12 and then giving
> the members a two dollar discount.
>

It costs a certain amount of money to run an event.  You can't
discount the basic fee and still cover your costs for the event.
For example, if your site costs $150 and you spend $20 on decorations
and $30 on prizes, you have to bring in *at least* $200 just to break
even.  If you have 50 people at the event, you HAVE to charge each
person at least $4 each.  Let's say 40 of the people who come are
members.  If you discount the site fee $1 for members, you have just
lost money on your event ($40, to be exact)  But, using the same
example, if you set the site fee at $5 and give a $1 discount to
members, you will have covered your expenses and made $10.

The site fee for Birthday Party is $3.  If we have a non-member
price, it would be $4.   It is too late to institute a
member/non-member fee for Birthday, but it is something to consider
for events in the future.

Re:  fees for Harvest War.  You wouldn't believe the number of people
who complained about paying $10 for camping all weekend or $5 for the
day.  We have had this same price since we had to start bringing in
porto-potties and our expenses increased.   Currently, our expenses
run about $1,100 for Harvest War (Rixa, is this about right?)  This
means that we have to have at least 110 attendees who camp or 220
who just come for the day just to break even.  Luckily, the number of
people who have come to the event has remained constant over the last
few years--roughly 200 who camp and 100 who come for the day.  But,
there are a lot of factors to consider here.  In the last 2-3 years,
September has become *the* month for wars.  Every weekend in
September a war is scheduled.  This could eventually take some people
away from our event.  There is always the possibility that something
drastic could happen and the event would be a complete flop (weather,
fire, disease, you name it).  The shire must always keep a buffer in
the coffers of at least the amount it would cost to have this event,
if the event did not make enough to cover expenses.

Rebecca



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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 23 Oct 1998 08:30:13 -0700

Arthur Wagner wrote:
>
> > Just a couple of quick questions to help muddy the water.
> > -  How many authorized fighters do you have?
> > -  Do they have memberships?
>
> I believe an authorized fighter *must* be a member, it's an insurance
> specification.  Of course with life-time authorizations one could be a member at
> the time of authorization and let it lapse later....
>
> Gillian

True.  The new Artemisian memberships are required for all fighters and
are renewed every four years.  There is also a push to have membership
lists at each event for people who forget thier cards, (and people who
forget to renew,) It is helpful for the honest in heart.

Jurgi



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From: "jcrow     " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 23 Oct 1998 14:39:26 -0000

My consern was that we don't want to raise the site fee just to give the
discount, it's not a discount if we raise harvest to $11 just to give
members $1 dollar off.
But, if we charge 10 to members and 11 to non that would be differnt.

sorry about the misunderstanding
Lady Isabelle

----------
> From: Rebecca Mikkelsen <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
> Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 4:28 PM
>
> > I feel that maybe if we made it an incentive for attending events it
would
> > be ok if it was done farely for instance: the site fee for birthday is
3 if
> > you don't eat it's already decided on. We could give a 1 or 2 dollar
> > discount to those who are members.
> > I think the member discount problems come when the fee is raised in
order
> > to give the discount. Like raising the fee from 10 to 12 and then
giving
> > the members a two dollar discount.
> >
>
> It costs a certain amount of money to run an event.  You can't
> discount the basic fee and still cover your costs for the event.
> For example, if your site costs $150 and you spend $20 on decorations
> and $30 on prizes, you have to bring in *at least* $200 just to break
> even.  If you have 50 people at the event, you HAVE to charge each
> person at least $4 each.  Let's say 40 of the people who come are
> members.  If you discount the site fee $1 for members, you have just
> lost money on your event ($40, to be exact)  But, using the same
> example, if you set the site fee at $5 and give a $1 discount to
> members, you will have covered your expenses and made $10.
>
> The site fee for Birthday Party is $3.  If we have a non-member
> price, it would be $4.   It is too late to institute a
> member/non-member fee for Birthday, but it is something to consider
> for events in the future.
>
> Re:  fees for Harvest War.  You wouldn't believe the number of people
> who complained about paying $10 for camping all weekend or $5 for the
> day.  We have had this same price since we had to start bringing in
> porto-potties and our expenses increased.   Currently, our expenses
> run about $1,100 for Harvest War (Rixa, is this about right?)  This
> means that we have to have at least 110 attendees who camp or 220
> who just come for the day just to break even.  Luckily, the number of
> people who have come to the event has remained constant over the last
> few years--roughly 200 who camp and 100 who come for the day.  But,
> there are a lot of factors to consider here.  In the last 2-3 years,
> September has become *the* month for wars.  Every weekend in
> September a war is scheduled.  This could eventually take some people
> away from our event.  There is always the possibility that something
> drastic could happen and the event would be a complete flop (weather,
> fire, disease, you name it).  The shire must always keep a buffer in
> the coffers of at least the amount it would cost to have this event,
> if the event did not make enough to cover expenses.
>
> Rebecca



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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 26 Oct 1998 08:05:14 -0700

Lady Isabelle wrote:
>My consern was that we don't want to raise the site fee just to give the
>discount, it's not a discount if we raise harvest to $11 just to give
>members $1 dollar off.
>But, if we charge 10 to members and 11 to non that would be differnt.

Makes no difference.  Either way members pay $10.00 and non-members pay
$11.00.
Landolf








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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 26 Oct 1998 08:54:07 PST


The practice of a slightly higher fee for non-members is extremely
common and accepted in Calontir.  I didn't even notice that it wasn't
done that much here.  I don't see a problem with it.

Camilla


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From: John Hugie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 26 Oct 1998 13:13:22 -0700

Originally when the $3 non-member fee was required by corporate it was
part of an offset, and agreement with the insurance companies to provide
additional insurance at events.  This insurance requirement went away,
and if you remember certain events were requiring everyone in attendance
to sign a release waiver.  As my memory serves, when the insurance
requirement was finished, the requirement by corporate of the non-member
fee went with it.

There is no reason why we can't continue the use of a non-member fee.
The reasoning is different then the original in this case, but just as
viable.  It is important that we as an organization protect our
interrests and ensure that the benefits we enjoy as members are a bit
more tangible, then they currently are.

Just my two cents worth.

Grifin.





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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) [Fwd: tribute for Winter Madness]
Date: 26 Oct 1998 15:19:07 -0800

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Greetings and salutations!

I talked this over with our Shire.  Like I had said before, there's just
no way we can offer cash - we're on too much of a shoestring.  I did
bring up having volunteers at your Ren Fair, and people might be going
but there is just no way we can commit bodies - particularly this early.

Anyway, our consensus was that we're not offering anything substantive,
we're planning on more of a token tribute.  I can make some more herbed
oils like last year, or we do scented oils and soaps, or some other
foodstuff type item (I'm assuming something that can be shared is most
appropriate).  If you have a preference along those lines, let me know -
otherwise I'll just make up something.

Thanks,
Tyndall

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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 26 Oct 1998 15:39:04 -0800

John Hugie wrote:
>
> Originally when the $3 non-member fee was required by corporate it was
> part of an offset, and agreement with the insurance companies to provide
> additional insurance at events.  This insurance requirement went away,
> and if you remember certain events were requiring everyone in attendance
> to sign a release waiver.  As my memory serves, when the insurance
> requirement was finished, the requirement by corporate of the non-member
> fee went with it.
>
> There is no reason why we can't continue the use of a non-member fee.
> The reasoning is different then the original in this case, but just as
> viable.  It is important that we as an organization protect our
> interrests and ensure that the benefits we enjoy as members are a bit
> more tangible, then they currently are.
>
> Just my two cents worth.
>
> Grifin.

I would like to talk to the Shire on this subject at the next get
together.  I know that there are quite a few people who come to things
who are non-paying satalites.  I want to give them a chance to respond
if they so desire, and also to let them know that there is a problem
which we are trying to work out, so when we spring extra costs on them,
they will be forewarned and know why.

THanks for your Ideas!

Jurgi



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From: Pug <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 26 Oct 1998 16:00:39 -0700 (MST)




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From: Pug <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 26 Oct 1998 16:07:37 -0700 (MST)

Jurgi wrote
>What can be offered to the common newbee?
>
>You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member?
>You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual
>fee.
>
I like this one. Not only does it encourage paid memberships, but it also
encourages the kind of commitment we seek for the use of shire equipment. We
could include the clause that you can try it *once* without, but to use
regularly you gotta get a member ship. This could be used in adition to the
other ideas for keeping track of the stuff.

By the way, Jurgi, when you gonna get your shop finished? When we gonna make
guantlets? How do you make an armor pattern piece fit to you? What is the
answer to Life, the Universe and Everything?

Angus (who just wasted 3 hours looking at schollarship on medieval saints,
which are across the isle from heraldry books) Mac Aeda



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From: Pug <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 26 Oct 1998 16:48:35 -0700 (MST)

Angus here.

This is just an apology for my somewhat sporadic and untimely (anachronistic?)
posts. Our modem was bad, and the replacement is on back order (Nov.2) Until it
comes in I can really only get up on campus and check my e-mail once or maybe
twice a week. So until I am on daily, if I ever ask a question that has already
been answered, forgive me!

Concerning member/non-member site fees, at Crown they made you sign a waiver if
you didn't have proof of membership on site. Might that not apply to the fee as
well?




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From: Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 27 Oct 1998 09:27:24 -0800

Pug wrote:

> By the way, Jurgi, when you gonna get your shop finished? When we gonna make
> guantlets? How do you make an armor pattern piece fit to you? What is the
> answer to Life, the Universe and Everything?

The inside is done!  I have the siding for the outside.  I just need to
put it up.  Last Saturday Rand and I made him some unique weapons. I am
excited to fight them. (With or against)

I am refinning my patterns for gauntlets.

Life is good!

Everything is life and the Universe is on Orions belt.

Jurgi ( The Answer Man)



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) (Fwd) Re: Halloween party
Date: 27 Oct 1998 08:43:08 -0700

This message came to me from Somerville Manor.  Most of you know
Danalyne and JC (and Destiny)

Rebecca

Would you let Heidi know tomorrow that Danalyne (Lady Beatrice) had
the baby this morning at 5:42 am, a little girl, weighs 7 lbs 8 oz
and is 20 1/2 " long and a head full of dark black hair.  Both mom
and baby are doing great.  JC is in heaven, two little girls dotting
on their daddy.

Isabeau



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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 27 Oct 1998 09:47:32 -0700

I hear what you are saying, but I feel there is a flip side to this.  Sometimes
events become the thing that encourages people to join.  If we charge them more
at the outset, are they as likely to join in the long run???  I feel
incentives need to come in other forms.  The idea of "renting" armor is not a
bad one.  Fighting is something that draws many people and it is expensive to
keep up loaner stuff.
Rand

jcrow wrote:

> I feel that maybe if we made it an incentive for attending events it would
> be ok if it was done farely for instance: the site fee for birthday is 3 if
> you don't eat it's already decided on. We could give a 1 or 2 dollar
> discount to those who are members.
> I think the member discount problems come when the fee is raised in order
> to give the discount. Like raising the fee from 10 to 12 and then giving
> the members a two dollar discount.
>
> ----------
> > From: Olan G Mikkelsen <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
> > Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 8:15 PM
> >
> > Good points, Jurgi.
> >  There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we
> allow
> > anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our
> > gatherings.  Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts
> at
> > the events they hold.   I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports
> car
> > club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and
> > bragging rights).  When I asked him what the admission was to the next
> > race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for
> non-members.
> > We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is
> optional
> > now.
> > SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy
> bunch
> > when it comes to paying for things.  Why should one pay dues when there
> is
> > no benefit for doing so?
> > As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership.
> > Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees.  Lower the price
> of
> > memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right.
> Provide
> > a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership.  Impress upon newcomers the
> > importance of membership.  Allow only a short grace period for
> > newcomers/investigators to play without a membership.
> > I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible
> to
> > enact, so why bother to even suggest them?  The only reason is that I
> have
> > felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy.  This may
> > drive numbers even lower.   Who knows?
> > This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon
> nap,
> > Landolf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM
> >
> > Please respond to [e-mail]
> >
> > To:   [e-mail]
> > cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)
> > Subject:  Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> > >
> > > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding
> > > the low membership numbers.  Some ideas have been bandied about.
> > > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our
> > > coffers healthy?):
> >
> > This reminds me of a joke:  What did one casket say to the other?
> >
> >                     Answer:  Is that you coffin'?
> >
> > Heeee-heee-heeef....   Oh! You said Coughers?  WEBSTER States, and I
> > quote.  "Cougher:  Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds,
> > which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs."
> >
> > Now! I ask you honestly,  Are they healthy?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA
> > > membership.  In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a
> > > certain time (say, 11 am).   Everyone who is on site and has paid
> > > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing.  I think this might
> > > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because
> > > they would have a free chance at a membership.  We could do this at
> > > the Feast for St Pyr, too.
> > >
> > > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup
> > > part of the loss of the membership.  Make the price cheap so
> > > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1.
> > >
> > > Rebecca
> >
> >  All very good Ideas!  But... I feel that the incentives to play this
> > game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance,
> > For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered.
> > Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that
> > information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at
> > his stuff.
> >
> > ( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but
> > you can see where I am comming from.)
> >
> > What can be offered to the common newbee?
> >
> > You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member?
> > You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual
> > fee.
> >
> > What?  I know.  Jurgi, back to your cage.
> >
> > There's gotta be answers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 27 Oct 1998 09:56:13 -0700

Like the rest of you, I don't know the right answer.  I like the idea of
incentives.  Maybe, in order to fight more than twice, you need a membership?
This gives newbies a chance to try it, but not abuse it.  Besides, there is the
issure of insurance.  I imagine the insurance companies may say, "he/she was
not a member, we're not covering them."  As suggested, if membership prices
were lowered, numbers would likely go up.
Have Fun,
Rand

Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:

> Good points, Jurgi.
>  There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we allow
> anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our
> gatherings.  Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts at
> the events they hold.   I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports car
> club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and
> bragging rights).  When I asked him what the admission was to the next
> race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for non-members.
> We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional
> now.
> SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch
> when it comes to paying for things.  Why should one pay dues when there is
> no benefit for doing so?
> As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership.
> Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees.  Lower the price of
> memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right.  Provide
> a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership.  Impress upon newcomers the
> importance of membership.  Allow only a short grace period for
> newcomers/investigators to play without a membership.
> I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible to
> enact, so why bother to even suggest them?  The only reason is that I have
> felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy.  This may
> drive numbers even lower.   Who knows?
> This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon nap,
> Landolf
>
> Jeff Lowe <[e-mail]> on 10/22/98 03:12:12 PM
>
> Please respond to [e-mail]
>
> To:   [e-mail]
> cc:    (bcc: Olan G Mikkelsen/IS/BCBSU/TBG)
> Subject:  Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
>
> Rebecca Mikkelsen wrote:
> >
> > There has been a lot of discussion on the Artemisian list regarding
> > the low membership numbers.  Some ideas have been bandied about.
> > Here is an idea for groups who have "healthy coffers" (are our
> > coffers healthy?):
>
> This reminds me of a joke:  What did one casket say to the other?
>
>                     Answer:  Is that you coffin'?
>
> Heeee-heee-heeef....   Oh! You said Coughers?  WEBSTER States, and I
> quote.  "Cougher:  Persons with respatory ailments, such as bad colds,
> which cause uncontroalable expulsions of air from the lungs."
>
> Now! I ask you honestly,  Are they healthy?
>
> >
> > At Birthday Party we could have a "door prize" which would be an SCA
> > membership.  In order to qualify, you have to be at the event by a
> > certain time (say, 11 am).   Everyone who is on site and has paid
> > their site fee by 11 am would be in the drawing.  I think this might
> > draw more people to the event (certainly more people *early*) because
> > they would have a free chance at a membership.  We could do this at
> > the Feast for St Pyr, too.
> >
> > Another option would be to raffle a membership to help recoup
> > part of the loss of the membership.  Make the price cheap so
> > everyone can afford some chances--say, $.25 a ticket/5 for $1.
> >
> > Rebecca
>
>  All very good Ideas!  But... I feel that the incentives to play this
> game are reduced when nothing more than No Fault liability insurance,
> For which I personally have never heard of useage, is being offered.
> Yezz, yez, you get the TI and the Sage But I can get all that
> information from Fighter Practice and I can Go to Jurgi's and look at
> his stuff.
>
> ( I know I am being an advocate with the wrong side of the Duct tape but
> you can see where I am comming from.)
>
> What can be offered to the common newbee?
>
> You can use Shire Armor and weapons if you are a Paid member?
> You can apply for a limited edition SCA Knightly Visa with no annual
> fee.
>
> What?  I know.  Jurgi, back to your cage.
>
> There's gotta be answers.






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 27 Oct 1998 09:59:22 -0700

You're welcome Juergi, but if you will recall, YOU convinced me to armor--through
the devious means of a certain axe, which shall remain nameless.  I never said
this was my thing.  If you recall, I was very hesitant at first because of prior
dealings with SCAdians--in 1984.  I have had fun, and don't plan on leaving
soon.  I still need to make knees.
Rand

Jeff Lowe wrote:

> Olan G Mikkelsen wrote:
> >
> > Good points, Jurgi.
> >  There really are no incentives to become a member of the SCA when we allow
> > anyone who tries to dress in a pre-16th century manner to attend our
> > gatherings.  Many clubs charge dues for their members and give discounts at
> > the events they hold.   I.E. I have a co-worker who belongs to a sports car
> > club (They race their vintage cars around parking lots for best time and
> > bragging rights).  When I asked him what the admission was to the next
> > race, he told me that it was $10.00 for members and $15.00 for non-members.
> > We used to charge a surcharge to non-members, but the practice is optional
> > now.
> > SCAdians in general, according to Squire William, are quite a stingy bunch
> > when it comes to paying for things.  Why should one pay dues when there is
> > no benefit for doing so?
> > As a group we need to change the way we look at the cost of membership.
> > Reduce the Corporate overhead to lower membership fees.  Lower the price of
> > memberships so that the stingy ones feel that the price is right.  Provide
> > a tangible(monetary?) benefit for membership.  Impress upon newcomers the
> > importance of membership.  Allow only a short grace period for
> > newcomers/investigators to play without a membership.
> > I'll be the first to admit that most of these suggestions are impossible to
> > enact, so why bother to even suggest them?  The only reason is that I have
> > felt for a long time we need to switch to a Pay-to-Play policy.  This may
> > drive numbers even lower.   Who knows?
> > This probably doesn't make any sense, so I will return to my afternoon nap,
> > Landolf
> >
>
> I agree.  What about a temporary membership card? (i.e. valid for six
> months or 90 days.) Free trial membership.  After this time payment is
> due for further participation. How can we argue with that?
>
> Jurgi
>
> Oh.  By the way. you Know how many people have told me that they wanted
> to make armor in the last six months and said in the same breath, " this
> is my thing! I'll never leave!"
>
> Answer:  six
>
> You know how many are still around?
>
> Answer:  Two
>
> Thanks RaND AND AnGus!
>
> We'll be armoring soon!
>
> Jurgi






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From: Randy Chabries <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) [Fwd: tribute for Winter Madness]
Date: 27 Oct 1998 10:03:23 -0700

Do you really want my highly opinionated comments on this?
Rand

Jeff Lowe wrote:

> I recieved this and thought you all might be interested in it.
>
> jurgi
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: tribute for Winter Madness
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:06:56 -0700
>      <[e-mail]>
> From: "Fraser John H. Capt 84RADES" <[e-mail]>
> To: "'[e-mail]'" <[e-mail]>
>
> Greetings and salutations!
>
> I talked this over with our Shire.  Like I had said before, there's just
> no way we can offer cash - we're on too much of a shoestring.  I did
> bring up having volunteers at your Ren Fair, and people might be going
> but there is just no way we can commit bodies - particularly this early.
>
> Anyway, our consensus was that we're not offering anything substantive,
> we're planning on more of a token tribute.  I can make some more herbed
> oils like last year, or we do scented oils and soaps, or some other
> foodstuff type item (I'm assuming something that can be shared is most
> appropriate).  If you have a preference along those lines, let me know -
> otherwise I'll just make up something.
>
> Thanks,
> Tyndall






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From: "jcrow     " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 27 Oct 1998 23:20:36 -0000



> Pug wrote:
>
> > By the way, Jurgi, when you gonna get your shop finished? When we gonna
make
> > guantlets? How do you make an armor pattern piece fit to you? What is
the
> > answer to Life, the Universe and Everything?
>
> The inside is done!  I have the siding for the outside.  I just need to
> put it up.  Last Saturday Rand and I made him some unique weapons. I am
> excited to fight them. (With or against)
>
> I am refinning my patterns for gauntlets.
>
> Life is good!
>
> Everything is life and the Universe is on Orions belt.
>
> Jurgi ( The Answer Man)

The problem dear Jurgi (if you will excuse my intrution) is that the anser
to life the universe and everything is 47




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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Announcements
Date: 29 Oct 1998 10:57:21 -0700

Landolf and I were not able to be at fighter practice last night
because it was Pack mtg.  I was supposed to announce the Somerville
Manor Masked Ball which is Saturday night.  We will be going to it
after the Whittier carnival and will have room for a person or two.
If any of you see or phone other shire members not on this list,
please let them know about the Masked Ball.

I never did connect with the Whittier office manager to get the
fishpond stuff that we are supposed to bag up.  I will be picking it
up today.  My family will do some of it over the next couple of days.
 If anyone can come early to the carnival on Saturday and help, it
would be appreciated.  Also, you can come over to our house Friday
night--we could get a video and bag fishpond stuff.

A reminder:  the shire is responsible for the following at the
carnival--

Crossbow shoot (provided by Jurgen and Lynette)
Storytelling (Angus)
Apple bobbing (provided by Landolf and Rebecca)
Sitting at both doors to take non-food items (bring boxes if you can)
Fortune telling (Aslak and Jinx)
Rat toss (provided by Jurgen and Lynette)
Bagging fish pond stuff

Did I forget anything?

Members of the Whittier board will be at the center from 1 p.m. to
set up.  Any shire members that come early to help, please do.

Just a note for your information:  Recently, there has been quite a
discussion on the Artemisian list regarding awards and regalia (it
has been raging for some time).  I posted a message about shires
giving "awards" and asked for feedback. I only got a couple of
responses.  There doesn't seem to be any great opposition to shire
"awards".  Two other shires already give "awards" in the same way
Cote du Ciel does--Otherhill and Gryphon's Lair.  Based on this
information, I am not at all worried about Cote du Ciel giving
"awards" (not that I was terribly worried about it in the first
place <g>).

Rebecca



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From: "CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cdc) Happy Halloween!!!
Date: 30 Oct 1998 09:30:16 -0700

Happy Halloween everyone!!! =20

Hope to see everyone at the Whittier to-marrow!  No Bones about it.

Rixa




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From: "Olan G Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Happy Halloween!!!
Date: 30 Oct 1998 09:36:58 -0700

If you're not there, you won't have a ghost of a chance.
Landolf




"CHARLENE CHABRIES" <[e-mail]> on 10/30/98 09:30:16 AM

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Happy Halloween everyone!!!

Hope to see everyone at the Whittier to-marrow!  No Bones about it.

Rixa











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Subject: (cdc) Trick or Treat Spider - from Rand
Date: 30 Oct 1998 11:05:03 -00800 (PST)

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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Trick or Treat Spider - from Rand
Date: 30 Oct 1998 11:35:58 PST


What a great idea!  I never thought to send one that everyone could go
look at!

Happy Halloween, Everyone!

See you tomorrow.

Camilla

PS:  What time should we show up at the fair at the Whittier?



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From: "Rebecca Mikkelsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) Trick or Treat Spider - from Rand
Date: 30 Oct 1998 12:46:00 -0700


> See you tomorrow.
>
> Camilla
>
> PS:  What time should we show up at the fair at the Whittier?
>
>

As early as 1 p.m. but at least by 2 p.m.



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From: [e-mail] (Carrie A. Beach)
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 30 Oct 1998 15:46:11 -0700


Please forgive my intrusion as well, but I thought the answer to Life,
the Universe and Everything was 42.

Carrie

PS-Could someone bring membership renewal forms to the Halloween Carnival
tomorrow. We can't find any. thx

>The problem dear Jurgi (if you will excuse my intrution) is that the
>anser
>to life the universe and everything is 47
>
>
>

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From: "Tiffany Dillemuth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cdc) An idea . . .
Date: 30 Oct 1998 16:20:59 PST


She's right.  It is 42.

Cami

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