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From: Jennifer Runner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) ANTARA questions
Date: 02 Mar 1999 11:18:49 -0800

> I am surprised at how easily I can improvise a tune on the antara.
> It seems that any sequence of notes sound pleasant together.
> The pentatonic scale obviously has some inherent relationships
> that escape me at the moment. Any explanations?

Chromatic scale       x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Major scale (octave)  x - x - x x - x - x - x x
Pentatonic scale      x - x - x - - x - x - - x [no semitones]I've heard that a good way to learn to play the piano is to begin using only
the black keys, since they are on the pentatonic scale. That way you can concentrate on how to play without worrying about whether the
notes sound good together or not. :-) Any sequences sounds okay.
I wonder if the same advice would be helpful in learning to play Andean instruments? Would it be easiest to begin with a pentatonic
antara?

> I play zampona with base tubes on the right.  Is the antara played
> this way?

I got the idea from somewhere that Ecuadorian zamponas have the base tubes on the left and Bolivian zamponas have them on the right (or
maybe it was the other way around). Anyone know if that's correct? And would it be the same with antaras?

> Also I realized that this pattern of half steps 3 2 3 2 2 is exactly
> the same as the notes missing from the zampona.
> That is F G# A# C# D# F.  So given the right range and key the two instruments form a full chromatic set of pipes. Has anyone heard of
> antaras in this tuning?
>
> Ken Webster   [e-mail]
>
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From: [e-mail] (Marcelo Villacres [ESRI-Redlands])
Subject: Re: (andina) ANTARA questions
Date: 02 Mar 1999 11:43:13 -0800

> From: Jennifer Runner <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (andina) ANTARA questions
>=20
> > I am surprised at how easily I can improvise a tune on the antara.
> > It seems that any sequence of notes sound pleasant together.
> > The pentatonic scale obviously has some inherent relationships
> > that escape me at the moment. Any explanations?

That seems to be the nature of the pentatonic scale, and probably why
it is so commonly used by blues and rock musicians who do a lot of
improvisation. This scale is quite handy for doing intro or transitional
riffs in a lot of Adean pieces as well.
=20
> Chromatic scale       x x x x x x x x x x x x x
> Major scale (octave)  x - x - x x - x - x - x x
> Pentatonic scale      x - x - x - - x - x - - x [no semitones]I've =
heard that=20
a good way to learn to play the piano is to begin using only
> the black keys, since they are on the pentatonic scale. That way you =
can=20
concentrate on how to play without worrying about whether the
> notes sound good together or not. :-) Any sequences sounds okay.
> I wonder if the same advice would be helpful in learning to play =
Andean=20
instruments? Would it be easiest to begin with a pentatonic
> antara?

Starting with a pentatonic antara may help getting used to how to blow
and perhaps it may make it easier to transition to a diatonic antara or =
a
siku.
=20
> > I play zampona with base tubes on the right.  Is the antara played
> > this way?
>=20
> I got the idea from somewhere that Ecuadorian zamponas have the base =
tubes on=20
the left and Bolivian zamponas have them on the right (or
> maybe it was the other way around). Anyone know if that's correct? And =
would=20
it be the same with antaras?

Ecuadorians typically play sikus with the bass tube on the left, some
argue because that is how the piano is laid out. I think it is because
Otavalen~os play the rondador in that fashion and they are the ones who
started making sikus in Ecuador. Though diggings of pre-columbian
cultures show that the sikus did exist in Ecuador they practically=20
disappeared for centuries and didn't return to fashion till some short=20
20 years ago.

Peruvians and Bolivians play sikus and antaras in the ancient way, with =
the=20
bass tubes on the right. I don't know if there is a real reason for that =
but=20
someone once pointed out that if one is playing sankas or toyos and a =
drum=20
at the same time (assuming one is right handed), this configuration =
leaves
enough space for the arm to beat on the drum. If you turn the sikus =
around=20
one can still play the drum, but the bass tubes will be within the path =
of=20
the arm and a tube may get crushed against the drum.
=20
> > Also I realized that this pattern of half steps 3 2 3 2 2 is exactly
> > the same as the notes missing from the zampona.
> > That is F G# A# C# D# F.  So given the right range and key the two=20
instruments form a full chromatic set of pipes. Has anyone heard of
> > antaras in this tuning?

The third row of a chromatic siku can be used as a pentatonic antara
indeed, but as far as I know it is not a common tuning for antaras,
most are in E or A.

> > Ken Webster   [e-mail]
> >
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From: Stanojevic Stanislav <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) ANTARA questions
Date: 03 Mar 1999 08:52:39 +0100

Jennifer Runner wrote:

> > I am surprised at how easily I can improvise a tune on the antara.
> > It seems that any sequence of notes sound pleasant together.
> > The pentatonic scale obviously has some inherent relationships
> > that escape me at the moment. Any explanations?
>
> Chromatic scale       x x x x x x x x x x x x x
> Major scale (octave)  x - x - x x - x - x - x x
> Pentatonic scale      x - x - x - - x - x - - x [no semitones]I've
> heard that a good way to learn to play the piano is to begin using
> only
> the black keys, since they are on the pentatonic scale. That way you
> can concentrate on how to play without worrying about whether the
> notes sound good together or not. :-) Any sequences sounds okay.
> I wonder if the same advice would be helpful in learning to play
> Andean instruments? Would it be easiest to begin with a pentatonic
> antara?
>
> > I play zampona with base tubes on the right.  Is the antara played
> > this way?
>
> I got the idea from somewhere that Ecuadorian zamponas have the base
> tubes on the left and Bolivian zamponas have them on the right (or
> maybe it was the other way around). Anyone know if that's correct? And
> would it be the same with antaras?
>
> > Also I realized that this pattern of half steps 3 2 3 2 2 is exactly
>
> > the same as the notes missing from the zampona.
> > That is F G# A# C# D# F.  So given the right range and key the two
> instruments form a full chromatic set of pipes. Has anyone heard of
> > antaras in this tuning?
> >
> > Ken Webster   [e-mail]
> >
> > -
>
> -

Pentatonic scales can be explained exactly like Jennifer Runner did,
with black piano keys.

As white piano keys are diatonic C-Major scale, derived pentatonic scale
would be c# - d# - f - g# - a#, which are the notes not represented in
siku and which can be added as the third row (chromatic siku). If we
associate in our mind other diatonic scale for white keys, we could
derive successively other pentatonic scales. Theoretically we could make
antaras in any possible pentatonic scale, but in practice the most used
combinations are : c - d - e - g - a and g - a - h - d - e. The reason
for this could be the choice of tonality to accompany antaras on
strings, although originally antaras are played without them.

I would add only that one particular pentatonic scale has five modes,
depending with which of the five notes this scale begins. These modes
are designated with letters a, b, c, d, and e. This is perhaps the
answer for Ken Webster's question about when to stop adding more tubes
in antara.

Stanislav Stanojevic
--

e-mails:

1. [e-mail] (office)
2. [e-mail] (home)

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From: [e-mail] (Marcelo Villacres [ESRI-Redlands])
Subject: (andina) UNBELIEVABLE. This affects us all!
Date: 03 Mar 1999 11:32:46 -0800

Can this really be true? How is this legal when we already pay for phone
service? Up to you if you want to respond but thought it something we
all should be aware of.

Long distance fees to access your local ISP???

Congress will be voting in less than two weeks.CNN stated that the new
Congress is scheduled, in two weeks time, to decide whether to allow or=20
not allow your telephone company to levy a charge on your phone bill =
equal=20
to a Long Distance call EACH time you access the Internet. The address =
is:

http://www.house.gov/writerep

Visit the address above and fill out the necessary form!Tell your =
Congressman
to vote against Internet Access Fees!If EACH one of us, forward this =
message=20
on to others in a hurry, we may be able to preventthis injustice from
happening! We all need to respond to this--don't want to lose another
one of our "freedoms."

And they talk about Bill Gates having a monopoly-HA!!! This is one
more way the phone company can get to our money. I am sure a lot of
people will have to restrict their use of the internet if Congress =
passes=20
this bill.

Dave Terner
Webmaster
Natural Resources Law Center
NetCounsel
[e-mail]
HTML Mail
Boulder
Colorado
80303
USA
Fax: [phone]
Home: 303 494 2165
Work: 303 492 1287
Webmaster: www.frii.com/~dterner/NetCounsel/ www.colsonquinn.com/
www.colorado.edu/Law/NRLC/

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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) question
Date: 10 Mar 1999 19:50:02 -0700

Anybody know Encore,is a software to print out music,I am looking for a book
for it and I can't find one.
thanks in advanced.
Mnauel.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador
Date: 11 Mar 1999 10:44:54 -0600 (UTC -06:00)

This is a bit off-topic for the Andina-L list, but as most of us
on this list enjoy a wide range of Latin music, I thought it would
be of interest.

Olmedo Torres, a wonderful saxophone player from Ecuador, died on
04 March.  One of the first albums of traditional Ecuadorian tunes
I purchased, back when I first became interested in Latino music,
was "Olmedo Torres y Su Saxo--Canciones de Oro."  The following is
taken from the on-line version of Diario Hoy from 07 March:

En la decada del 70, "Los locos del ritmo" hacian vibrar al publico
quiten~o.  Las canciones: "La cinta verde, "La cumbia triste," entre
otras, tadquirian un sentimiento especial bajo la melodi'a del saxo
de Olmedo Torres.  Desde entonces, Torres grabo' un centenar de discos
de larga duracio'n y posteriormente, dos discos compactos,
consituye'ndose en uno de los artistas nacionales que ma's grabaciones
ha realizado.

El jueves pasado, 4 de marzo, Olmedo Torres, conocido en el a'mbito
arti'stico como "El saxo con alma," murio' a los 73 an~os de edad, al
sufrir un infarto.

Este mu'sico nacio' en Cuenca.  En la capital de la provincia del Azuay
estudio' mu'sica en el Conservatorio.  Su carrera arti'stica, dedicada
a la interpretacio'n de mu'sica popular y nacional, fue creciendo gracias
a su talento y carisma.  Adema's de ser buen mu'sico y amigo entran~able,
tambie'n fue un duro cri'tico de la difi'cil situacio'n que vive el
artista ecuatoriano.  Por ese hecho preferi'a viajar constantamente
a los Estados Unidos, donde, consideraba, se trata mejor al artista,
se valora su capacidad.  Hay un reconocimiento ma's justo.

Miguel Venegas, directivo de la Asociacio'n de Artistas Profesionales
de Pichincha, asegura que Olmedo Torres fue uno de los mejores
saxofonistas latinoame'ricanos.  "Despue's del recordado Julio Jaramillo,
conocido como Mister Juramento, fue quien grabo' la mayor cantiadad de
discos.  Torres fue acompan~ante de las ma's representativas figuras
de antan~o que ha tenido el pai's, y tambie'n, de los nuevos valores
del cancionero ecuatoriano," asegura el dirigente.

Como directivo del gremio arti'stico, Miguel Venegas lamenta que
mu'sicos de la vali'a de Olmedo Torres, que dedicaron toda su vida
a la cultura, ahora mueran sin tener nigu'n tipo de apoyo estatal:
"Olmedo muere en la pobreza ma's absoluta", afirma.


[Any mistakes in the Spanish above are mine--sorry!  John]


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From: Joel Fentin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador
Date: 11 Mar 1999 11:06:28 -0800

Thanks for the news.

I didn't realize Olmedo Torres was anywhere near that old. It
makes me wonder which other Ecuadorian musicians are no longer
alive. I have a CD of Olmedo Torres and pianist Huberto
Santacruz. Is he alive? Probably not.

Is rondador player Arturo Aguirre alive? Segundo Bautista? Flavio
Bastidas? Segundo Duen~as? Nelson Duen~as? Rodrigo Saltos?
Hermanas Mendoz-Suasti? Enrique Ascencio? Patricia Gonzalez?
--
Joel Fentin    tel: [phone]    FAX: [phone]

email: [e-mail]     web: http://efm.simplenet.com

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador
Date: 12 Mar 1999 12:21:13 -0600 (UTC -06:00)

I have checked in "Musicos del Ecuador.  Diccionario Biografio"
by Pablo Guerrero (1995).

> Is rondador player Arturo Aguirre alive?
Born in Quito in 1921.  "Actualmente es profesor instructor de la
Orquestra de Instrumentos Andinos del Municipio de Quito"

> Segundo Bautista?
Born in Salcedo, 23 Dec 1935, guitarrista, pianista, cantante y
compositor

> Flavio Bastidas?
No entry

> Segundo Duen~as?
No entry

> Nelson Duen~as?
No entry

> Rodrigo Saltos?
No entry

> Hermanas Mendoz-Suasti?
No entry, but they are quite elderly. When I was in Ecuador last
summer, friends said that they still occasionally performed in Quito.

> Enrique Ascencio?
No entry.

> Patricia Gonzalez?
No entry.

Does anyone else have better information on any of these musicians?

--John


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From: Joel Fentin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador
Date: 12 Mar 1999 15:19:36 -0800

>I have checked in "Musicos del Ecuador.  Diccionario Biografio"
>by Pablo Guerrero (1995).........

I have the same edition of the same book. And I suspected it of
bias in favor of J. D. Feraud recording stars. But perhaps not.
Nelson Duen~as recorded for them - yet he is not mentioned. Many
of the other names are not obscure. I would expect them to appear
in the book.

--
Joel Fentin    tel: [phone]    FAX: [phone]

email: [e-mail]     web: http://efm.simplenet.com

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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) antaras key
Date: 16 Mar 1999 14:02:35 -0700

Can someone help me to find out the order of the pipes in a antara in A ?
Thanks in advanced.
manuel.


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From: Jennifer Runner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) Questions
Date: 18 Mar 1999 22:37:43 -0800

Hello Andina!
I am taking a world music course this semester and one of our projects
involves researching the music of a particular area.  I have chosen to
do my research on Andean music.  :-)
Part of my project involves researching how Andean musicians learn
the music and its role or meaning in different areas of the world.  If
you could take a few minutes to answer about 10 questions about
the music you play, I would really appreciate your contributions.
(I'll be glad to get input from anyone, whether professional musicians
or not.)  If you only want to answer a few of the questions that's fine
with me and any additional comments or suggestions would of course
be welcome.
I will also be doing research about the history of the music and would
be glad to share the information I find with anyone who is interested.
Thanks very much!

1- Are you a member of a musical group that performs regularly?
2- How would you describe the music that you play?
3- What instrument(s) do you play?
4- How and where did you learn to play Andean instruments?
5- How and where did you learn the songs that you play?
6- How did you become interested in Andean music?
7- What type of music do you play? (from any certain place or style?)
8- What do you consider to be the purpose of performing this music?
9- Where are you from?
10- Where do you live now?

Thanks in advance y muchas gracias!
Jennifer Runner / [e-mail]


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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) some music in Realaudio...
Date: 23 Mar 1999 19:27:53 -0700

I put a page with 5 different groups with their style playing andean music.
The server have been wild lately so let me know how the speed work,you need
a Realaudio to listen,in my web page there is a link to get the software
if you want to check the page is here:

www.rumillajta.com/sound.html

Manuel.


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From: "Ken Webster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) antaras key - Reply
Date: 24 Mar 1999 13:35:33 +1100

Hi Manuel and list.

Sorry I can=27t answer this question.  I=27d like to know myself.
Thought I had something on pentatonic scales in a magazine
but have not located it yet.

The problem is one of definition, which of the five notes is to be =
regarded as the key note.  Interestingly any pentatonic scale shares
all five notes with three different major or minor scales.  For example
E G A C D are all found in the major keys of C, F and G.

It seems to me that one of these three would probably be the key
note as these scales are compatible with this pentatonic scale, but which =
one I don=27t know.  If I was to guess I would choose G as it is
the most common key for Andean instruments.  This is a pretty
shaky guess though.

This would make the interval pattern 2 3 2 2 3 so starting at A we
get  A B D E F=23.  Then again it could be A B C=23 E F=23 which is the =
only other pentatonic scale that fits with A Major.

Maybe some of your instruments can help.  A wind instrument is usually =
keyed to its base note like quenas, tin whistles etc.
do you have any five hole winds to check with??


Ken Webster   websterk=40lic.gov.au




>>> Manuel Navarro <mnavarro=40mail.xmission.com> 03/17 8:02 am >>>
Can someone help me to find out the order of the pipes in a antara in A ?
Thanks in advanced.
manuel.


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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) aol subscriber removed
Date: 23 Mar 1999 20:58:59 -0700

I'll remove [e-mail] because his mailbox is full, if someone know him
let him know.
thanks.
manuel.


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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) more bouncing
Date: 23 Mar 1999 21:04:47 -0700

[e-mail]  is bouncing,Joel can you check why is bouncing,I removed
[e-mail] from the list because you got a new email,let me know if
that is correct.
thanks.
manuel.

ps.wow!!! we have traffic in the list,,ja !!


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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) only  a test
Date: 23 Mar 1999 21:21:46 -0700

234365465


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From: Jennifer Runner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) some music in Realaudio...
Date: 23 Mar 1999 20:26:26 -0800

Very nice page Manuel!  And I didn't have any trouble with the server,
everything sounds great.  Gracias por ese trabajo.   :-)
By the way I have been looking for the recording by Rumillajta that has the
songs "Chimbalito" and "Jenecheru", does anyone know where it's available?  I
think it's "Lo mejor" but it might also be on "Ayni" or "Escuchemos las
montanas".   Does anyone know where I might be able to get any of these
recordings?
Thanks,
Jennifer

(wow, even more traffic in the list today!)  :-)


Manuel Navarro wrote:

> I put a page with 5 different groups with their style playing andean music.
> The server have been wild lately so let me know how the speed work,you need
> a Realaudio to listen,in my web page there is a link to get the software
> if you want to check the page is here:
>
> www.rumillajta.com/sound.html
>
> Manuel.
>
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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) some music in Realaudio...
Date: 23 Mar 1999 21:49:32 -0700

Thanks,I got "chimbalito" in the Rumillajta Lo Mejor  I don't know Jenecheru.
Today I order 2 cd's of Rumillajta from Music Boulevard,maybe they have what
you are looking for.
I understand that Rumillajta is coming to USA by June or July.
later.
manuel.




At 08:26 PM 3/23/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Very nice page Manuel!  And I didn't have any trouble with the server,
>everything sounds great.  Gracias por ese trabajo.   :-)
>By the way I have been looking for the recording by Rumillajta that has the
>songs "Chimbalito" and "Jenecheru", does anyone know where it's available?  I
>think it's "Lo mejor" but it might also be on "Ayni" or "Escuchemos las
>montanas".   Does anyone know where I might be able to get any of these
>recordings?
>Thanks,
>Jennifer
>
>(wow, even more traffic in the list today!)  :-)


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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) rumillajta...
Date: 24 Mar 1999 08:49:46 -0700

Yes, the guitar player and Adrian Villanueva, formed another group call
Avilaya,, and  the original Rumillajta vocalist joined them.
I understand that the Rumillajta group will come with new members.
Later.
manuel.
>
>Manuel, didn't you send an email last year concerning Rumillajta having
>separated and not playing any more? is the original band together now, or is
>it a different one without Cordero the guitar player?
>
>Ozzy Henriquez
>801-225-3267
>


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From: Jennifer Runner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) rumillajta...
Date: 24 Mar 1999 09:24:31 -0800

Adrian Villanueva has a page for Producciones Adrianicas (instruments) and the
new group Avilaya at http://www.rds.org.bo/villanue/.
I was really glad to hear that the other members of Rumillajta are still together
and are still planning to come to the US this summer!

Jennifer

Manuel Navarro wrote:

> Yes, the guitar player and Adrian Villanueva, formed another group call
> Avilaya,, and  the original Rumillajta vocalist joined them.
> I understand that the Rumillajta group will come with new members.
> Later.
> manuel.
> >
> >Manuel, didn't you send an email last year concerning Rumillajta having
> >separated and not playing any more? is the original band together now, or is
> >it a different one without Cordero the guitar player?
> >
> >Ozzy Henriquez
> >801-225-3267
> >
>
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From: "Ken Webster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) antaras key - Reply
Date: 26 Mar 1999 10:18:55 +1100

Hi Manuel and list

I just found that article on pentatonic scales.
It gives a C Pent scale as C D E G A.
That is an interval pattern of 2 2 3 2 3.

So to answer Manuels question and assuming this article is correct
A Pent is A B C=23 E F=23 which I think fits with A Maj 7 being the
basis of the key so it makes sense.

Ken Webster   websterk=40lic.gov.au



>>> Manuel Navarro <mnavarro=40mail.xmission.com> 03/17 8:02 am >>>
Can someone help me to find out the order of the pipes in a antara in A ?
Thanks in advanced.
manuel.


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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) antaras key - Reply
Date: 25 Mar 1999 21:32:28 -0700

Hey!! Ken thanks a lot for that info,,I will try it to build one soon.
later.
manuel.


At 10:18 AM 3/26/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Manuel and list
>
>I just found that article on pentatonic scales.
>It gives a C Pent scale as C D E G A.
>That is an interval pattern of 2 2 3 2 3.
>
>So to answer Manuels question and assuming this article is correct
>A Pent is A B C# E F# which I think fits with A Maj 7 being the
>basis of the key so it makes sense.
>
>Ken Webster   [e-mail]
>
>
>
>>>> Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]> 03/17 8:02 am >>>
>Can someone help me to find out the order of the pipes in a antara in A ?
>Thanks in advanced.
>manuel.
>
>
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From: [e-mail] (Marcelo Villacres [ESRI-Redlands])
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador
Date: 30 Mar 1999 08:19:27 -0800

I just got back from Ecuador... I was there the day after Olmedo
Torres' death... and I didn't hear anything about it. While I was
there another death occurred, that of Oswaldo Guayasamin, Ecuador's
greatest artistic figure of this century, his paintings became an
international statement of the plight of the indigenous people.

Marcelo

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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador
Date: 30 Mar 1999 10:07:38 -0700

Welcome back to USA Marcelo !  any site or more info about those
artists work?
later.
manuel.


At 08:19 AM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I just got back from Ecuador... I was there the day after Olmedo
>Torres' death... and I didn't hear anything about it. While I was
>there another death occurred, that of Oswaldo Guayasamin, Ecuador's
>greatest artistic figure of this century, his paintings became an
>international statement of the plight of the indigenous people.
>
>Marcelo
>
>-
>
>
>


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From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) MELISSA..VIRUS.
Date: 30 Mar 1999 10:09:01 -0700

We installed blocks here.  It has no problem forwarding the Melissa virus
into /dev/null.

XMISSION OWNER


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From: [e-mail] (Marcelo Villacres [ESRI-Redlands])
Subject: (andina) Oswaldo Guayasamin
Date: 30 Mar 1999 09:07:10 -0800

For those interested, see:

http://www.guayasamin.com/guayasamin

Marcelo

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