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- Computer underground Digest Wed Apr 3, 1996 Volume 8 : Issue 27
- ISSN 1004-042X
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- Editor: Jim Thomas (cudigest@sun.soci.niu.edu)
- News Editor: Gordon Meyer (gmeyer@sun.soci.niu.edu)
- Archivist: Brendan Kehoe
- Shadow Master: Stanton McCandlish
- Field Agent Extraordinaire: David Smith
- Shadow-Archivists: Dan Carosone / Paul Southworth
- Ralph Sims / Jyrki Kuoppala
- Ian Dickinson
- Cu Digest Homepage: http://www.soci.niu.edu/~cudigest
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- CONTENTS, #8.27 (Wed, Apr 3, 1996)
-
- File 1--CDA Court Challenge: Update #3 (day 3)
- File 2--CDA HEARING REPORT--Day 3, April 1
- File 3--Howard Rheingold's Affidavit
- File 4--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 25 Mar, 1996)
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- Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:09:24 -0800 (PST)
- From: Declan McCullagh <declan@EFF.ORG>
- Subject: File 1--CDA Court Challenge: Update #3 (day 3)
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
- The CDA Challenge, Update #3
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
- By Declan McCullagh / declan@well.com / Redistribute freely
- ------------------------------------------------------------
-
- April 1, 1996
-
-
- PHILADELPHIA -- Chief Judge Dolores Sloviter's mouth fell open in
- astonishment this afternoon when net.culture guru Howard Rheingold
- testified that some online communities elect cyberjudges to hear
- disputes. Sloviter asked if realspace judges "can escape to this
- community?" Judge Stewart Dalzell wondered: "How are they selected?
- Is there impeachment?"
-
- The court's questions of Rheingold -- who appeared in a glowing blue
- suit, an iridescent pink shirt, and the first tie he's worn in a
- decade -- showed that the judges hearing our challenge to the CDA are
- trying hard to understand the Net. But while the three-judge panel was
- fascinated by Rheingold, they just didn't connect with him.
-
- This was due largely to the skilled lawyering of the Department of
- Justice's Patricia Russotto -- the Marcia Clark of this case. During
- her cross-examination, Russotto repeatedly steered Rheingold away from
- describing relatively understandable online communities like the WELL
- -- and towards hangouts like MUDs and MOOs that he said are inhabited
- by "dwarves, wizards, and princesses." Belittling those online
- communities, Russotto repeatedly dismissed them as "these fantasy
- worlds" and tried to confuse the judges by tossing a string of
- acronyms at them, staccato.
-
- Judge Dalzell rose to the challenge: "All right, I'll take the bait.
- What's a MUD?"
-
- Like Dalzell, Judge Sloviter is enjoying this case. As the chief judge
- of the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals, she usually deals with
- lawyers, not expert witnesses, and clearly likes to quiz them herself.
- Responding to Rheingold's description of MUDs, she said: "I don't know
- about being a wizard, but I'd be a princess."
-
- Eventually the line of questioning turned to BBSs, and Russotto tried
- once again to damage Rheingold's credibility, saying he had stated
- under oath that BBSs were "open to everyone" but had just testified
- that adult BBSs were not. He clarified, and rallied when asked if he
- let his 11-year old daughter surf the Net unsupervised: "I teach her
- that just as there are nutritious things to put in your body, there
- are nutritious things to put in your mind."
-
- Russotto continued, rapidfire:
- "Do you really think that Hamlet depicts sexual or excretory acts in a
- patently offensive manner?"
- "You have not participated in virtual communities built around
- trading sexually-explicit images, correct?"
- "You are aware that sexually-explicit networks can form around a BBS?"
- "Virtual communities can form around such a BBS?"
- "Some Usenet newsgroups carry sexually-explicit materials?"
- "An ISP can decide to carry certain newsgroups?"
- "The particular server you're on could decide to carry the alt.sex
- and alt.binaries hierarchy?"
-
- The tension had heightened earlier in the day, just before lunch, when
- Russotto tried to prevent Rheingold from testifying. When we
- introduced the celebrated author of "Virtual Communities" as our
- witness, Russotto objected: "We would submit that his expert opinion
- is not relevant to this case." Battering Rheingold with a quick series
- of questions, the DoJer forced Rheingold to stumble. ACLU attorney
- Chris Hansen quickly rescued his witness and Sloviter overruled
- Russotto's objection: "The court will hear Mr. Rheingold."
-
- Over lunch in the courthouse cafeteria, I talked with Rheingold, who
- was understandably nervous from the drumming he had experienced
- minutes earlier. Of course, the very fact that we were chatting like
- old friends demonstrated the power of a virtual community -- we had
- communicated in one form or another every day for the last year, but
- we had never met in person before.
-
- Like the man himself, Rheingold's testimony was interesting and
- colorful, unlike that of Bill Burrington, the director of public
- policy for America Online, who was the first witness of the day. A
- good number of courtroom observers, including myself and some
- reporters, snoozed through most of Burrington's statements.
-
- I was more-or-less awake enough to realize that Burrington was once
- again characterizing AOL as a "resort pool with lifeguards" next to
- the wild, untamed ocean of the Internet, with its predators and
- sharks: "There is a channel to the Internet. You can be whisked out
- into the sea." His evils-of-the-Net description confused Judge
- Sloviter, who asked: "When you say whisked out into the sea, you don't
- mean involuntarily whisked?"
-
- Tony Coppolino from the DoJ cross-examined Burrington. Coppolino seems
- to be the most cyber-savvy DoJer and the leader of their legal team on
- this case. Like Russotto, he doesn't pass up an opportunity to damage
- the credibility of our witnesses:
- Judge Sloviter: "How many newsgroups are available on AOL?"
- Burrington: "Up to 20,000."
- Judge Dalzell: "I thought someone said 30,000."
- Coppolino: "I have a stipulation here saying 15,000."
-
- Pressed by Coppolino, Burrington admitted that AOL didn't carry
- Playboy or Penthouse because the material was "inappropriate for
- families and children." Later Coppolino suggested that AOL has
- problems with pedophiles and child pornographers, asking Burrington to
- describe a case where an AOLer found children's names from a chat room
- then sent them sexually-explicit images. Burrington parried: "This is
- the first such incident. We terminated his account immediately and are
- cooperating with Federal law enforcement."
-
- When HotWired honcho Andrew Anker took the stand, the questioning
- turned to alt.sex.bondage. Judge Sloviter started by asking: "What is
- alt.sex.bondage? What does that mean?"
-
- Turns out that HotWired had published a story about the newsgroup,
- though by the end of the questioning, the judges seemed convinced that
- HotWired was a net.porn haven and were surprised when Anker estimated
- that much less than 10 percent of his web site's content was
- sexually-explicit. Again, Judge Dalzell tossed us a few sympathetic
- questions: "If you were to label your web site as adult, would it
- scare off advertisers?"
-
- After some brief testimony by ACLU plaintiff Stephen Donaldson of Stop
- Prisoner Rape, Barry Steinhardt took the stand. Steinhardt is the
- associate director of the ACLU -- I first got to know him when he
- blasted CMU for censoring its USENET feed years ago -- and was subject
- to an antagonistic cross-examination from Craig Blackwell. Blackwell
- relied on his boss Tony Coppolino for technical tips, and stumbled a
- few times, like when he confused AOL with a web site on the Internet:
- Blackwell: "The ACLU has two Internet sites, right?"
- Steinhardt: "No. We have one Internet site and we are a content
- provider on America Online."
-
- During the DoJ's questioning of Steinhardt, a few points emerged:
- * The content the ACLU posts to the web and AOL is educational.
- * The ACLU controls content on its web site but not in AOL chat
- rooms and discussion groups.
- * The ACLU is concerned that the CDA subjects it to liability for
- "indecent" material, including George Carlin's monologues it has
- placed online.
- * The DoJ is trying to draw a distinction between "indecent" images
- of couples engaged in sexual intercourse and educational
- "indecent" material that they will claim is not going to be
- prosecuted under the CDA.
-
- We're still wondering who the DoJ will call as their pro-CDA
- witnesses. The two prime suspects are someone supposedly from the
- Department of Defense and a computer scientist from Carnegie Mellon
- University.
-
- I suspect that the DoD guy is the gent who's been sharing the second
- row of courtroom seats with me -- a grey-haired gentleman always
- sporting a nondescript grey flannel suit. He's been sitting on the DoJ
- side of the courtroom (the ACLU is on the left, of course), and after
- court adjourned he was confabbing with them about plans to meet later
- in the day.
-
- I walked over and asked Grey Flannel Suit if he was with the DoJ, and
- he replied: "I just do some computer work for them." I was asking Grey
- Flannel for his name when DoJ attorney Jason Baron jumped between us:
- Baron: "He can't talk to you."
- McCullagh: "Why don't you let him make that decision for himself?"
- Baron: "I make decisions for him."
- McCullagh: "What's his name?"
- Baron: "He has no comment."
-
- I'll bet anyone five bucks that Grey Flannel is from the NSA.
-
- The other pro-CDA witness is almost certainly Dan Olsen, a Mormon who
- is the head of the computer science department at Brigham Young
- University and the incoming director of the Human Computer Interaction
- Institute at Carnegie Mellon University. (The HCI Institute at CMU is
- known as a dumping ground for faculty who can't make the cut in the
- justly-renowned CMU computer science department.)
-
- Of course, CMU is the school that is considering what cyberlibertarian
- attorney Harvey Silverglate calls an "Orwellian speech code," and
- erotic USENET newsgroups are still banned from almost all campus
- computers. Since CMU spawned Marty Rimm, who tried to sell his
- unethical research to the DoJ and whose study helped pass the CDA,
- it's appropriate that CMU affiliates are helping the DoJ defend the
- damned CDA after all.
-
- Today's testimony ended our case, with the exception of one of our
- witnesses who couldn't make it earlier. Albert Vezza is the associate
- director of MIT's Lab for Computer Science and a PICS guru who will be
- testifying for us on April 12 or April 15. With the exception of
- Vezza, those two days will be devoted to the DoJ's arguments alleging
- that the CDA is constitutional and should be upheld by the court.
-
- Stay tuned for more reports.
-
-
- ---------------------------------------------------------
-
- We're back in court on 4/12, 4/15, and 4/26. The DoJ will reveal the
- identity of their expert witnesses on 4/3 or 4/8.
-
- Mentioned in this CDA update:
- Howard Rheingold <http://www.well.com/~hlr/>
- CMU and the Rimm study <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~declan/rimm/>
- CMU's HCI Institute <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~hcii/>
- Dan Olsen at BYU <http://www.cs.byu.edu/info/drolsen.html>
- Censorship policy at BYU <http://advance.byu.edu/pc/releases/guidelines.html>
- Censorship at CMU <http://joc.mit.edu/>
- USENET censorship at CMU <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~kcf/censor/>
- HotWired / WIRED <http://www.hotwired.com/>
- PICS information <http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/PICS/>
-
- These and previous CDA updates are available at:
- <http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/>
- <http://www.epic.org/free_speech/censorship/lawsuit/>
-
- To subscribe to the fight-censorship list, send "subscribe" in the
- body of a message addressed to:
- fight-censorship-request@andrew.cmu.edu
-
- Other relevant web sites:
- <http://www.eff.org/>
- <http://www.aclu.org/>
- <http://www.cdt.org/>
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 3 Apr 96 23:24:19 PST
- From: jblumen@interramp.com
- Subject: File 2--CDA HEARING REPORT--Day 3, April 1
-
- CDA HEARING REPORT--Day 3, April 1
-
- By Mark Mangan, markm@bway.net, co-author of Sex, Laws and
- Cyberspace (http://www.spectacle.org/freespch/). Please repost freely
- in relevant forums.
-
- I arrived at the third day of the hearing and said hello to the free
- speech contingent. We all rose as the three judges entered the court,
- then took our seats and prepared to begin. Facing us was the
- panel--needless to say, all dressed in black. Judge Dalzell, a
- balding gentleman with wild, white hair, glasses and an easy going
- demeanor. On the right sat Judge Buckwalter, with glasses, a greyish
- full head of hair and a somewhat serious disposition. In the middle
- sat Judge Sloviter, a woman with a bright smile, darkish pulled back
- hair and a laptop opened in front of her. She is the head judge of
- the panel and the 3rd circuit court of appeals. She ran the
- proceedings.
-
- Unusually, all of the direct testimony from the plantiffs in this case
- was received in written form. The DOJ then had the opportunity to
- call the plaintiffs, and their witnesses, into court for some cross
- examination. The government did not come out blazing with tough
- questions. In retrospect it seems that they were simply trying to
- show that the CDA is not at all broad and those who would fall afoul
- of this toothless new law, could easily take precautions to sidestep
- prosecution.
-
- First up to the stand was William Burrington, an Assistant General
- Counsel for America Online. He was well dressed and well spoken:
- clear, concise, and prepared. As the DOJ's Tony Cappelletti
- questioned him, he did much to educate the panel on the nature of
- online services in relation to the Internet at large.
-
- In describing his company, Burrington chose the metaphor of a closed,
- private pool: it has lanes, lifeguards, and hands which check the
- temperature of
- the pool. AOL also provides a quick channel out to the sea of
- information--the Internet. In contrast, Internet Service Providers
- (ISPs) offer a straight, unmonitored conduit out to this sea.
-
- He went on to explain how AOL draws together original content from
- some third parties, such as the New York Times, Atlantic Monthly, and
- other popular newspapers and magazines. Judge Sloviter asked about
- Penthouse and if AOL carried it. Burrington responded, "No." Looking
- for smut, she tried to continue her questioning, but admitted "I don't
- know any more" such magazines.
-
- DOJ: "I know one more. Do you have Hustler?"
-
- WB: "No. We have Boating magazine."
-
- Some laughter rippled through the courtroom.
-
- The government then asked Burrington about magazines such as
- Smithsonian Monthly. If AOL provided pictures of naked people from
- remote African tribes (as seen in National Geographic) would this, in
- his opinion, put it at risk of being prosecuted under the CDA.
- Burrington's response: "Absolutely."
-
- They then went into a discussion of America Online's Terms of Service,
- which enforces its own kind of decency standard. Burrington explained
- that AOL, with 4 to 5 million users, promoted the concept of community
- and banned hateful, obscene, harmful, and offensive material.
-
- Burrington explained the parental control features that allow the
- holder of the master account to restrict certain functions and areas
- of the service for children with a different userid on the same
- account. Parents can block access to any or all of the different chat
- rooms as well as "Instant Messages" between members. In the context
- of the Internet, parents can restrict newsgroups or just disable the
- ability to download binary graphic files from usenet messages. AOL
- has also permenantly blocked certain groups which "are so obvious on
- the face to carry such things as child porn." Burrington then
- described AOL's negotiations with certain companies that offer
- filtering services for the World Wide Web, saying that his company
- expected to integrate such controls by the summer. AOL has also
- agreed to incorporate a browser which is compliant with the rating
- system standards being developed. Importantly, he explained that AOL
- could never expect to control the content of the Internet in the way
- it monitors its "pool."
-
- When Burrington was questioned about the ability of children to get to
- all AOL offerings if they obtain the password, he stressed the
- importance of parental responsibility. He said giving the kids the
- keys is like leaving the keys in the car in the garage. He also
- stressed the fact that AOL has created a community which encourages
- users to keep their eyes out for any criminal activity.
-
- WB: "We are trying to educate parents. Just because you are in front
- of a computer screen, don't throw away common sense. Just like in the
- physical world, don't leave your children alone in shopping malls."
-
- When asked by Judge Buckwalter whether he felt AOL was complying with
- the good faith defense of the CDA, Burrington responded, "I'm not
- sure. I don't know. There are many parts of it that are not clear."
-
- When asked by Judge Sloveter about the "surveillance" on AOL,
- Burrington became unusually defensive about this term. He said he
- prefered the word "patrolling."
-
- Judge Sloveter: "I don't know what else to call it."
-
- WB: "Our people are sensitive to that."
-
- The judges were finished and Burrington stepped down. He had given a
- polished testimony, covering all the bases and never at a loss for
- words or a clear explanation. During a brief recess I talked to a few
- people who were a bit skeptical of AOL's indecency policy and vague
- "Terms of Service," which seemed to broadly restrict much of the
- material covered under the CDA. Perhaps they felt that the government
- would be able to make the argument that if an online service can
- competently and peacefully enforce decency in their pool, the FCC can
- do it in the sea.
-
- Personally, I felt that Burrington presented an excellent example of
- an alternative for children. The testimony showed that the government
- is not implementing the "least restrictive means" of caring for our
- children if there are other choices and online alternatives.
-
- The next plantiff to take the stand was Stephen Donaldson, the
- president of Stop Prisoner Rape. A man with a buzzcut, long sideburns
- and reserved demeanor, Donaldson answered affirmatively to questions
- establishing that his organization attempted to inform the public
- about the problem of prisoner rape and the concomitant issues of
- sexually transmitted diseases, such as AIDS. When asked if his Web
- site included a lot of "street language," he answered, "most prisoners
- are not educated in latin. They use anglo-saxon english."
-
- Donaldson's testimony was short. He simply made the point that much
- of the material on his site is of a serious nature and in a language
- that prisoners, many of them uneducated, can understand. He feared
- that much of the material--stories, advice, and statistics--would be
- found illegal under the CDA.
-
- Up next was Andrew L. Anker, the president of Hotwired. DOJ lawyer
- Craig Blackwell started with a reference to an exhibit that recently
- ran on his site, that included material by Allen Ginsberg.
- Blackwell asked if was concerned that this would be prosecuted under
- the CDA.
-
- AA: "I don't understand what patently offensive' and indecent' mean
- and under what community standards they would be prosecuted.
- Considering the vague language, I'm concerned about everything."
-
- Blackwell then talked about a Wired magazine piece on
- "alt.sex.bondage" that recently ran on the site. Judge Sloviter
- interrupted to inquire about "alt." When told that it meant
- alternative, she asked, "So people can talk about alternative sexual
- bondage?"
-
- The judges then began to hit Anker with some tough, direct questions.
-
- Buckwalter: " You are a content provider doing nothing to identify
- your content and restrict your material to minors."
-
- AA: "Yes."
-
- Judge Dalzell raised the concept of the PICS rating system. This had
- first been mentioned during Burrington's testimony, at which time
- Judge Sloviter
- asked for a technical explanation. Before he could answer, however,
- she asked Cappelletti if someone more technical would be called later
- to go over this and he answered yes. This concept continued to
- intrigue the judges, who subsequently brought it up a few times.
- Unfortunately neither the court nor the witnesses were properly versed
- on the subject.
-
- Judge Dalzell: "Are you familiar with the PICs proposal? It would
- involve self-rating. How would you rate yourself?"
-
- Anker was unprepared to pigeonhole his site according to a
- hypothetical system--particularly one that he was not familiar with.
- He avoided the direct question.
-
- Judge Dalzell: "If it were based on the movie rating system, how would
- you rate yourself?"
-
- AA: "To be honest..."
-
- Judge Sloveter (interrupting): "--we assume you're being honest."
-
- Anker did not like the line of questioning and tried to extricate
- himself from it. He attempted to show that it was more complicated
- than a single rating for the whole site. When he explained that he
- did not agree with how this system mildly rated violence which he
- found more offensive than the gratuitous sex shots in film, Judge
- Dalzell kept on him. Asking about the Ginsberg material: "So what
- would you rate it: G? PG? R?" He then brought up the
- alt.sex.bondage article: "Would you have to rate the whole thing
- NC-17?"
-
- AA: "Well, there are a lot of pages, a lot of systems?"
-
- Anker was simply not prepared to rate his site on the stand. He said
- that he had children and would not want them to read the
- al.sex.bondage article, but was noncommittal on how to block them via
- a rating system.
-
- Howard Rheingold was then called to the stand. He was dressed in a
- bright pink shirt, a crazy colored tie, and a pastel, aqua-blue suit.
- He has a buzz cut and a big mustache. The government immediately
- stood up to argue that he could offer nothing factual or relevant to
- the case and had not even reviewed any of the sites in question.
- Judge Sloviter seemed ready to boot him, when Chris Hansen intervened
- to explain that the
- debate was not just about Web sites and Rheingold was being offered
- to describe the community aspects of the Net--on which he had written
- a very popular and well-respected book. Judge Sloviter acquiesced,
- "It will be accepted for what it's worth. Now let's break for lunch."
-
- When everyone returned Rheingold described MUDs and MUSEs, which allow
- people to interact in real time creating fantasy lands online. The
- DOJ lawyer asked what exactly would be limited in these virtual
- community discussions on the Net if the CDA were enforced. The DOJ
- lawyer put on a high brow tone and tried to come right at him: "Do you
- think Michelangelo's David would be found as depicting sexual or
- excretory functions or organs in a patently offensive manner according
- to community standards?"
-
- Rheingold kindly brought her full force to a full stop: "Which
- community?"
-
- The court stopped dead for a moment as he effectively touched one of
- the absurd holes of the CDA language. She fumbled around and
- continued somewhere else. She raised the question of his daughter
- that he had mentioned earlier, eliciting that he did not supervise her
- on the Net.
-
- HR: "No. I teach her that just as there are nutritious things to put
- in your body, there are nutritious things to put in your mind."
-
- The questioning returned to the subject of MUDs, MUSEs and certain
- moderated groups that he had started. But the philosophical bent of
- his replies seemed to irk the panel--particularly, Judge Sloviter, who
- perhaps thought his dress was a mockery. When the lawyer was done she
- questioned him about the nature of these MUDs and MUSEs. Judge
- Sloviter: "So stop me if I'm wrong,... this fantasy world allows
- people to masquerade,... or rather correct me if I'm wrong, ... this
- fantasy land --"
-
- "...actually, no, let me add--" Rheingold tried to interrupt but she
- bluntly gestured that she had not finished.
-
- Judge Sloveter (a bit impatient): "It allows them to masquerade, so
- they can play act and pretend they are other people..."
-
- Rheingold pulled up and interjected his point: "You're leaving
- something out. These users create an environment independent of
- whether they are there or not."
-
- Sloveter looked at him. "Leave that for the existentialists."
-
- It was a harsh statement, the court hushed and it looked as though
- Sloviter had it in for him. In response to a question raised earlier
- in the testimony about how much sexual content existed in these online
- fantasylands, Rheingold had thrown out the number 10%. Sloveter now
- came back with it. "What would happen if sexual content were removed?
- You said less than 10% existed..." Rheingold tried to respond--she
- continued, "...they could still play their castles in the air."
-
- With the head judge of this panel and the 3rd circuit court of appeals
- hitting him with her attorney blows, there wasn't much he could do.
- His testimony ended soon after.
-
- Barry Steinhardt, Associate Director of the ACLU, was the last to take
- the stand. He took his oath and the questioning began with the normal
- rigamorole about who he is and what he does. Soon he was talking
- about the ACLU's Web site and its presence on AOL. The DOJ introduced
- a particular discussion which had recently taken place on their online
- bulletin board, had involved the former Surgeon General Joyce Elders
- and covered masturbation. He expressed his fear that such serious
- kind of debate would be prosecuted by the government if found online.
-
- When asked if the ACLU site had posted any sexually explicit pictures,
- Steinhardt responded, "No. But we wouldn't hesitate to. If we had
- the site up during the Mapplethorpe controversy, we would have
- certainly put up examples of his work." He was being a little
- agressive, trying to throw it back in the DOJ's face.
-
- Steinhardt recounted an incident in which an organization which goes
- by ACLU (Always Causing Legal Unrest) posted a Jake Baker story on
- their bulletin board and the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) let
- it stand--in the name of free speech. He then quickly digressed into
- a quick discussion of the Jake Baker case for the court's edification.
- (See http://www.spectacle.org/freespch/baker.html) The court turned to
- the exhibit of the posted story and it must have turned their
- stomachs. (Baker liked to write about mutilating and raping young,
- innocent women.)
-
- When it was the judges' turn they recalled an earlier statement in
- which Steinhardt had said the ACLU had reviewed the possibility of
- limiting access to their site to adults via a credit card verification
- system and found that it would cost $144 thousand for a month.
- Buckwalter raised the hypothetical of the passage of the CDA: "I don't
- think you would shut down your site. I think you would find a way to
- raise the money." The judge seemed to be goading him. Steinhardt
- said, "You can't put a price on free speech in cyberspace. And if you
- did, the ACLU probably couldn't afford it."
-
- Bringing up the self rating system, Judge Dalzell then asked, "Would
- the ACLU rate itself?"
-
- Steinhardt responded that the rating system is an "empty vessel where
- third parties could step in and rate. I don't want to rate the ACLU,
- but I'm sure there are others who would."
-
- Referring to how he understood the PICS to work, the Judge returned,
- "If you don't rate, you're blocked. What would you rate yourself?"
-
- Steinhardt: "We offer important, educational material for minors and
- would rate ourselves G. Others would probably rate us X."
-
- Judge Sloviter: "Would you not, as a matter of principle, refuse to
- rate yourself?"
-
- Steinhardt: "Yes."
-
- Although some of the more interesting moments came when the judges
- questioned the witnesses, there were virtually no major cracks in the
- whole of the testimony. The DOJ was rarely aggressive and seemed on
- the whole to be taking notes for later, rather than pursuing a
- strategy.
-
- The case resumes on April 12 when the government will begin presenting
- its witnesses. On April 3 it will file papers with the court revealing
- who these witnesses are.
-
-
- -----------------------------
- Jonathan Wallace
- The Ethical Spectacle
- http://www.spectacle.org
- ACLU v. Reno plaintiff
- http://www.spectacle.org/cda/cdamn.html
- Co-author, Sex, Laws and Cyberspace
- (Henry Holt, 1996)
- http://www.spectacle.org/freespch/
-
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- Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 14:32:51 -0800 (PST)
- From: Declan McCullagh <declan@EFF.ORG>
- Subject: File 3--Howard Rheingold's Affidavit
-
- [This is the rough draft of Howard Rheingld's affidavit. Read it! --Declan]
-
-
-
- I, Howard Rheingold, declare that:
-
- (1) I am a parent of an eleven year-old daughter, Mamie. My wife, Judy,
- and I recently celebrated our 28th anniversary. I'm an active PTA member,
- a small business owner, and a voter. My wife and I believe strongly that
- parents have an obligation to teach our children values, to give them the
- opportunity to make their own moral choices. We also believe that open
- communication among citizens, free from fear of government control, is
- what holds democracies together.
-
- (2) I've written books about technology and its effects on people and
- institutions for the past ten years ("Tools for Thought," 1985,"
- "Virtual Reality," 1991, "The Virtual Community," 1993). I write
- "Tomorrow," a column about the Internet and its effects, syndicated by
- King Features. I spend hours a day online, and have done so for ten
- years. I have a real life with real people around me as much as anyone
- else, but much of my business and social communication takes place
- online. For me, it's a real place, inhabited by real people who can forge
- deep bonds..
-
- (3) I know from long personal experience that people can build
- communities from the relationships they grow online with other people who
- share their interests and concerns. The new medium that connects
- computers and communications networks transforms every desktop into a
- printing press and place of assembly, a component of community-building
- in technological society. An important part of civic life takes place there.
-
- (4) Among the many things left out of the distorted popular image of the
- Internet are people for whom the Net is a lifeline: the cancer support
- groups, the disabled people who find a new freedom in this medium, the
- artists and educators and small businesses who use the Internet as a way
- for citizens to publish and communicate to other citizens. Experience has
- taught me that many-to-many communication, used wisely, can magnify the
- power of individuals to discuss and publish and make possible
- collaborative thinking among people all over the world.
-
- (5) In my life, the virtual community became my real community. The
- people I first got to know in open, group conversation online have become
- my friends in the real world where real things happen to people. I sat
- with two people when they were dying, spoke at two funerals, danced at
- two weddings, passed the hat quietly among other virtual community
- members to help out a member in dire circumstance. The community I know
- takes place among people who matter to me, and online communication is
- what that enables thousands of geographically dispersed interest groups
- to build communities. For people who live in remote areas, who share
- certain special interests, from mathematics to politics to the problems
- of being an Alzheimer's caregiver to the civic affairs of a small town or
- large city, virtual communities enable people to form associations that
- can enrich their lives and often carry over into face to face society. In
- modern society, it is often difficult to find people who share interests
- and values; the virtual community enables people to find and get to know
- one another and to establish relationships they might otherwise never
- have formed, relationships that often carry over into face to face
- friendships.
-
- (6) I grew so fascinated with the nature of online communities that I
- travelled the world, visiting virtual communities in Japan and Europe, as
- well as America. I interviewed the people who built the ARPAnet and grew
- it into the Internet. I interviewed the people who built the Minitel
- system in France. In both instances, these media for social communication
- were never intended for people to communicate in new ways. The ARPAnet
- was a defense-funded experiment in remote computing over
- telecommunication wires because it was necessary for the scattered ARPA
- computer researchers to run their data on each other's computers. The
- programmers who built the first network started using it for social
- communication. The early ARPA directors were wise enough to see that a
- new medium for group communication had emerged, unexpectedly. Minitel was
- designed as a distributed database, an electronic yellow pages, but
- people insisted on using it to chat.
-
- (7) The emergence of "social computing" via the Internet is an example of
- people using a new tool as a means of human to human communication, and
- the medium of many to many communication is still in its infancy. People
- are not only building communities, but businesses, and political
- information and communication associations. We have only begun to see the
- social and civic uses people will make of the emrging medium. As these
- examples show, the real virtue of cyberspace is its ability to permit and
- even encourage innovation. If strict standards had been set at the
- beginning, or if planners had insisted on one structure, and by either
- means prohibited the ARPA or Minitel from carrying email and other
- messages, one of the most vibrant and important parts of cyberspace would
- never have developed.
-
- (8) The topics that people discuss online constitute an enormous variety.
- Every scientific specialty you could think of has its electronic mailing
- list, text archive, web site. Support groups for scores of diseases are
- especially important online. The online breast cancer or AIDS patients in
- a small town who don't have any other support group, the Alzheimer's
- caregivers and others who cannot leave the house or hospital, the
- disabled who find a liberating barrier-free space online, derive vital
- knowledge, comfort, and human connection for people in need. The
- nonprofit organizations that set up shelters for battered children and
- abused spouses. The international networks of medical researchers who
- collaborate to cure disease. So many people will suffer tremendously if
- censorious laws shut down Internet providers and unmoderated forums where
- nobody can guarantee that nobody will say a taboo word at some time. Some
- of these topics of necessity will involve speech that discusses "sexual
- or excretory activities or organs.' In some cases, the people speaking
- or the people listening will be minors for who the information is
- important and useful. It would be a tragedy if fear of prosecution for
- failing to police the utterances of every member of a virtual community
- would lead to the closing of communities that alleviate suffering and
- help people cope with some of the difficulties of modern life such as
- life-threatening diseases or domestic violence.
-
- (9) Several months ago, a very bright and articulate young man by the
- name of Blaine Deatherage sent me an e-mail questionnaire as part of a
- school project. I started an electronic correspondence. I learned, after
- I got to know him, that he was born with spina bifida and hydrocephalus,
- is confined to a wheel chair in near-total paralysis, and has trouble
- communicating vocally. I didn't know that. All I knew was that he had a
- lively mind and a way with words. Blaine and millions of others like him
- have no other place to go. He's only sixteen. To deprive him of adult
- conversation in the chess groups he participates in online would be a
- tragedy. The groups to which he belongs, such as the chess discussions,
- are likely to choose to exclude all minors rather than risk the
- consequences should an adult member of the community use a taboo word.
-
- (10) The examples of community I've mentioned are real people to me. When
- my long online friend and sometime online verbal opponent Tom Mandel grew
- fatally ill, he said goodbye online. The poignance of that experience,
- and the looks on the faces of Tom's online friends when I stood up for
- him at his funeral and gave a eulogy, are definitely real to me. When
- Casey needed an operation, enough of her online conversational partners
- bought posters from her to finance the medical procedure. When Kathleen
- Johnson announced that she was dying, dozens of us, including myself,
- took turns sitting with someone we had only known from the words we had
- read on a computer screen.
-
- (11) My daughter has used e-mail and the Internet for social communiction
- and for researching her homework since she was eight years old. I told
- her that she knows to use common sense and be alert when dealing with
- adult strangers. If someone she doesn't know calls on the telephone, she
- knows not to answer personal questions. I told her that some people
- aren't who they pretend to be in real life and in cyberspace, and just
- because someone sends her e-mail, it doesn't mean that person is a
- friend. She knows the importance of nutritious food for her body, so I
- told her that she has to be careful to put nutritious knowledge into her
- mind, because the Internet consists of all kinds of mind-food, some of it
- not very nutritious. I told her that if anyone said anything to her or
- sent anything to her that made her feel bad or suspicious, that it was
- okay and a good idea to show it to mommy or daddy.
-
- (12) When I wired up her fifth-grade class to the Internet, on a line
- donated by a local small Internet service provider, I told her class that
- they were pioneers. I told them there were wonderful ways to learn and
- communicate with interesting people on the Internet, and they were going
- to show the rest of the people in the school, the school district, the
- county, how you could help us use the Internet as a fun way to learn. I
- told them that if they were caught doing anything they wouldn't be proud
- to do in front of their parents, then the experiment would fail, and the
- other classes and schools would probably think Internet for fifth graders
- is a bad idea. But I also told them that I was showing them how to do
- this because I knew I could count on them to make the right decisions.
- They didn't fail me.
-
- (13) Many people think cyberspace is just the World Wide Web and
- solely involves information retrieval. That is incorrect. As the ARPA and
- Minitel example illustrate, many if not most people who use cyberspace
- find the most important and most used parts to be those that facilitate
- many to many communication. Thus, I believe the most important parts are
- newsgroups, chatrooms, mail exploders, and the like. There are many
- different ways people around the world can use the network to communicate
- with each other. Many scholarly and scientific groups use an automated
- service that sends e-mail to everyone in the group of subscribers, who
- can automatically send their responses to everyone in the group. There is
- no human moderator who decides which e-mail to send to the group. People
- who participate in such groups generally regulate their behavior
- voluntarily. Bulletin board systems and conferences and newsgroups are
- different ways of organizing public group conversations where nobody is
- the moderator or editor.
-
- (14) There are moderated groups where an expert in the field acts as
- editor, deciding which of the submissions are published. Moderators
- generally do not screen the membership; they only decide what is published.
-
- (15) If the Communications Decency Act is enforced, all unmoderated sites
- will either have to go out of business or set up pre-screening to make
- sure only adults get access. Most unmoderated sites are non-profit. They
- have a volume of both participants and of messages that is too large and
- too widespread to permit prescreening. In addition, many unmoderated
- sites have been set up long ago and the person who set them up is no
- longer involved. Thus, there is no one around to do the screening. For
- these reasons, many of the sites would have to be totally eliminated.I
- fear that moderated groups won't fare much better. They also have so much
- volume that no mderator can screen each message and presecreen each
- subscriber.
-
- (16) Even if a moderator could screen each message, I'm afraid that the
- standards of the Act are so vague that they won't know what to screen.
-
- (17) I'm concerned about the difficulty of defining a "community
- standard" for a worldwide network. The way the Internet works, if a
- geographic standard is applied to everyone in US jurisdiction, it would
- have to be that of the most conservative place in the country. That would
- stifle the net, not only domestically, but globally.
-
- (18) I am convinced that screening of sexual and other objectionable
- material can be accomplished with the kinds of software filtering that
- all major online services and several commercial companies have offered.
- I believe the power to determine what goes on or off the prohibited list
- of knowledge in my household should stay in the household, and shouldn't
- be seized by the State and used against citizens who don't conform to the
- moral standards of a small segment of the population.
-
- (19) Probably the most important potential of the Internet is in
- community-building. People who are able to make contact with others who
- share interests, to continue conversations with people in other
- locations, of other races and beliefs and political persuasions, to get
- together with fellow citizens locally and nationally, are engaged in
- activities that are vital to the health of civic life and democracy. I
- fear that a chilling effect on the use of online forums could damage
- these important activities.
-
-
-
- I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct."
-
- Executed on March 25, 1996."
-
-
-
- ____________________
-
-
-
- Howard Rheingold
-
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