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- Hackers are the gremlins of the '90s
-
- Phiber Optik Sounds Off
-
- By Maitland McDonagh
-
- (Photo: Courtesy of Blender magazine.)
-
- Phiber Optik -- real name: Mark Abene -- is the hacker even computer
- illiterates have heard of, the one who got sent to jail for a year and a
- day for messing around with the phone company, the kind of whiz kid the FBI
- would have us believe is single-handedly going to bring down the
- information superhighway. So who better to give us the scoop on HACKERS vs.
- hackers?
-
- Q: Do you call yourself a hacker?
-
- A: Yeah, sure, despite the way the word has been twisted around. I don't
- think I could get rid of the term if I wanted to. The media uses it to mean
- whatever they want -- it's like they have the copyright on the word
- "hacker." Most anything at all that they consider to be in the least clever
- that involves a computer is a hack.
-
- Q: Do real hackers spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to get free
- services through computer manipulation?
-
- A: Listen, if you use other people's credit card numbers to buy
- merchandise, that's obviously stealing. The FBI likes referring to people
- like that as hackers, and the media picks it up because it makes good
- headlines. They're not going to say, "A bunch of criminals using computers
- were using credit cards and getting stolen merchandise," because somebody
- reading that will come away saying, "What a bunch of thieves." But if you
- put the word hacker in there, they come away thinking about hackers. Once
- someone crosses over to the point where they're doing things that are
- completely immoral -- illegal has nothing to do with it, because there are
- lots of stupid laws that I'd prefer to do without -- you could call them a
- bad hacker. But I'd go a step further and just call them a bad person.
-
- Q: Why do technophobes blame hackers for everything?
-
- A: It's like when something went wrong with military equipment during World
- War II, it was the gremlins. Fortunately for the gremlins, there weren't
- any, so they couldn't be persecuted and thrown in prison. When something
- goes wrong with computers, it's hackers. And there really are people called
- hackers. Hackers are the gremlins of the '90s, and the only thing working
- against them is that they're real people.
-
- Q: [In the movie] Dade Murphy and his friends put a call up on the Internet
- for help and are joined by hackers from all over the world in their battle
- against corporate intimidation. Could that really happen?
-
- A: No, afraid not... not at all. There's what's going on online, and then
- there's what's going on in your apartment -- how much food is in the
- freezer, what's on the television. In reality, it's not like it's the Alamo
- and everybody's going, "Let's go help the general and the state of Texas."
-
- Q: In general, how authentic is the look of the computer imagery we see in
- HACKERS?
-
- A: WARGAMES was probably closer to the truth of what things look like. They
- couldn't afford to do all this flashy graphical stuff, so it was all text
- on the screen, which was much closer to reality than all this Hollywood
- stuff. Of course, at the time we complained that WARGAMES didn't look
- right.
-
- Q: Dade and Kate Libby challenge one another to torment FBI agent Richard
- Gill via computer in the movie. How many of the things they do to him could
- a hacker do in real life? Could they cancel his credit cards?
-
- A: Yeah, but anybody can do that -- all that entails is impersonating
- someone on the phone. You can't go into a system and delete them.
-
- Q: Hack into the Department of Motor Vehicles and add dozens of violations
- to his driving record?
-
- A: You can get into Motor Vehicles -- you can subscribe to it, the way a
- lot of private investigators do -- but the most common access is just for
- looking up license plate numbers in the database. You can't do much else.
-
- Q: Alter a newspaper personals ad to solicit embarrassing calls from
- transvestite dominatrices?
-
- A: Why wouldn't they just phone it in? That's a pretty standard prank --
- you phone in an ad and give someone else's name and number. No computer
- needed. It's easier if you don't use one.
-
- Q: Change his personnel records to declare him dead?
-
- A: I guess you could do that in theory, but how much trouble could you
- cause? All the guy has to do is call up and say, "I'm not dead." Just
- because the screen says you're dead doesn't usually carry too much weight.
-
- Q: The character of FBI agent Gill is spoken of as "hacker enemy No. 1." Is
- there a real No. 1 enemy of hackers in the Federal Bureau of Investigation?
-
- A: One person, no. But there are lots of people like him.
-
- Q: When Dade is sentenced for his computer transgressions, he's forbidden
- to own or even touch a computer or a Touch-Tone phone. Did that happen to
- you?
-
- A: No, not to me. But [that does happen to people].
-
- Q: And would an FBI agent burst into his bathroom, guns bristling and
- arrest him in the shower?
-
- A: That's not the way it happened to me, but it's happened to other people.
-
- Q: Evil-hacker-turned-corporate security officer The Plague (Fisher
- Stevens) sends superhacker Dade a laptop containing a proposal. Has a
- corporate hacker ever contacted you with an offer you couldn't refuse?
-
- A: I've never been contacted by a corporate hacker, and I never had anyone
- send me a message by mailing me a laptop, either. I think I'd just delete
- the message and keep the computer. That's a pretty expensive way to convey
- a message.
-
- Q: What's the biggest misconception perpetuated by Hollywood cybermovies?
-
- A: I saw THE NET, and the movie was really entertaining, but it's
- completely implausible. Not everything is interconnected to everything
- else, so that somebody can just access the machine. The message is that you
- should be afraid of technology because you could really get screwed up if
- machines did something wrong. That's silly. I said this to a Daily News
- reporter, who went to Irwin Winkler, who said, "Oh no... we went to the FBI
- and they told us everything in the movie was certainly possible." Well,
- that's totally self-serving. What are they going to say? "No, it's not
- possible and you don't even need us anymore. Everything's safe." They want
- everyone to think that there's some pretty dangerous stuff going on out
- there and that it could happen to you -- so that's why they need to stress
- the importance of their existence.
-
- Q: So people really don't have to worry about their lives being ruined via
- computer?
-
- A: When cars first came out -- you know, "horseless carriages" -- people
- weren't all standing around saying, "Oh, don't get in there. It might drive
- off without you." Or, "It might drive you somewhere you don't want to go."
- I mean, I'm sure people were afraid of them, but they got used to them
- because they saw them as a means to get from point A to point B. I think
- the learning curve is just a little steeper with computers. Maybe this fear
- will go away in 10 years or something, and computers will be [viewed] the
- same as cars.
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