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From: st2cf@jetson.uh.edu (Nhan Trong Nguyen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.reviews
Subject: REVIEW: Amiga CDTV and 2 discs
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Date: 2 Jul 1993 14:25:56 GMT
Organization: The Amiga Online Review Column - ed. Daniel Barrett
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Keywords: hardware, system, CDTV, CD-ROM, CD, commercial
PRODUCT NAME
Commodore Dynamic Total Vision (CDTV)
Grolier's Electronic Encyclopedia CD-ROM
Lemmings CD-ROM
[MODERATOR'S NOTE: This review was updated on September 20, 1993.
Search for the text "[UPDATE:" to find updated information.
-Dan]
BRIEF DESCRIPTION
This is a followup to the review of CDTV posted by T H Pineapple
("THP") on June 28, 1993, in comp.sys.amiga.reviews. Please refer to it for
more details on CDTV, as this post will deal mostly with the differences
between THP's machine (a UK CDTV) and my own (US CDTV), though I will
interject opinions as well. Please note that my CDTV unit was purchased in
June 1992, and there may have been some minor changes to the hardware sold
since then (keyboard and mouse).
In short, the CDTV has a motherboard different than the other Amigas,
and depending on whom you ask, is similar to either the A500 or A2000 mother-
boards. It has all the standard Amiga ports, as well as MIDI in/out, S-Video
out, RF out, composite out, and mini-DIN mouse and keyboard connectors. CDTV
also has a CD drive and proprietary RAM card slot.
COMPANY INFORMATION
Name: Commodore Business Machines, Inc.
Address: 1200 Wilson Drive
West Chester, PA 19380
USA
[Commodore has other offices in other countries as well.]
LIST PRICE
The CDTV has two basic US configurations: the stock CDTV, and the
CDTV Professional (CDTV/P). The list price for the CDTV is $599 (US), while
the CDTV/P will cost about $200 more. A the current mailorder price of the
CDTV/P is under $600.
The CDTV can be upgraded to a CDTV/P with the addition of the CD-1500
Professional Pack. This pack consists of a jet-black A3000-style 94-key
keyboard (96-key A2000-style in UK), black corded mouse (some units come with
infrared mice), black A1011-type external floppy drive (renamed CD-1411),
Workbench disks, one black CD caddy, and two CDs.
OBTAINING THE MACHINE
I mail-ordered my CDTV/P from BriWall for a total of US $921.00 (this
was before AGA machines were released, in June 1992). The package consisted
of the following:
Stock CDTV Package
o CDTV unit (CD-1000)
o Remote Control plus Panasonic general purpose batteries
o CD Caddy with Commodore Tutorial CD inside
o Cables
o Hookup booklet
CD-1500 Pro Pack
o Wired Mouse, CD-1253
o Keyboard, KKQ-E94YC
o External Drive, CD-1411
o AmigaDOS 1.3 System disks and documentation
o Catalog of CDTV titles
o Lemmings CD
o Grolier Electronic Encyclopedia CD
o CD Caddy
The system I'll review contains the following: CDTV/P, Sharp VHS
VCR, Commodore 1084 monitor, and Emerson 2400 baud modem, but will mention
cases when I've tested other hardware with it.
HARDWARE
The CDTV unit, built to be put into a hi-fi component rack, has the
following dimensions: 430mm W x 330mm D x 95mm H. It is black with 15mm
high cylindrical feet, for shock reduction, stability, traction, and
ventilation. Very slick. The base CDTV unit is identical to that in UK,
except for the Video Slot card, as noted in THP's review.
Some comments on my CDTV/P: using the remote control as a mouse or
joystick is quite a pain. Since the remote control acts as a joystick, using
it as a mouse means that the pointer will only move at one speed, which is
adjustable only through Preferences. I highly recommend the Pro Pack's
mouse. I don't know about most people, but Nintendo and Sega-type joypads
have always served to make my thumbs throb in pain, so the CDTV's remote
didn't help much. The directional buttons are in the style of the
Nintendo's controls, but instead of making an integrated "plus" design
(where one cross-shaped button (like this: +) is rocked up, down, left, or
right), Commodore chose to split the four controls into four separate
buttons. This would be fine, except that Commodore put plastic dividers
between the buttons! To make the controller slightly more functional, I
filed off these dividers.
The remote control's range is good (I've used it up to 20 feet away),
but trying to send commands to CDTV at angles of more than 45 degrees makes
for spotty response. When you're playing a game, and the pad moves while
you're hitting buttons or directional controls, this isn't very helpful.
There is a corded version pictured in the Tutorial CD, but I've never heard
about nor seen one. Again, for games, buy a regular joystick. There are two
devices I know of that allow the CDTV to use regular mice and joysticks: Top
Secret's Brickette and Commodore's own CDTV Trackball. The CDTV Trackball
has a trackball (obviously), genlock control, and joystick ports, and can
operate either via infrared or corded control. It uses the CDTV mouse port,
so say goodbye to the slick mouse! I know of no adapter to let you use the
mouse with a normal Amiga mouse port.
I'm not an Amiga musician, so my CDTV's MIDI slots just gather dust.
I've had some friends (who are Amiga musicians) look at the CDTV, and they
are glad it has these ports as standard. But, they ask, why doesn't it have
a MIDI THRU port?
For the Expansion Port, the only device I know of that goes in there
is AmiTrix Development's SCSI-TV, which provides a SCSI port which allows
you to add up to seven SCSI devices. (CDTV should have had this in the
first place, as does the A3000.) SCSI-TV also has a mounting bracket for
$10 extra which lets you mount a 2.5" Quantum Go drive inside CDTV. Nice,
but I've been hunting for weeks in search of a 2.5" SCSI drive, and no one's
ever heard of it. I sent e-mail to AmiTrix about this, but have yet to
receive a reply; I'm still trying to reach Quantum. AmiTrix also has in the
works a fast RAM expansion device -- it's about time somebody did!
Currently, the only way to add RAM is via DKB's MegAChip.
[UPDATE: A Fast RAM expander exists called BigRAM CD8. It plugs
into the CDTV motherboard and comes with 2 megabytes of RAM (allows
for expansion with zips for 8 meg). The price is 399DM from:
W.A.W Elektronik
Commodore Computer Service
Tegeler Stra{e 2
1000 Berlin 28
Germany
Tel. +49 / 30 / 404 33 31
fax= 011 49 30 4047039
Thanks to Philip McDunnough and Craig Ganoe for this information.]
The Video Slot is a nice feature; but because of CDTV's design, it
could not be the same type as the ones in other Amigas. CDTV's Video Slot
comes filled with a video output card, and I can think of two other devices
available for it: Commodore's CD-1300 genlock, and the AVM card (manufactured
by America Multimedia, Inc., according to the "Commodore Multimedia"
literature). The genlock is discussed briefly in the Tutorial CD, and the
standard control of it is a nice touch (buttons for genlock control are
standard on the remote control and trackball). I called Safe Harbor's
technical support about it, and they say it has S-Video input and Composite
output. What? No RF or S-Video out? As for the AVM card, American
Multimedia said that it uses DCTV display technology, and does nothing else
the full DCTV unit can (digitize, etc.). They also said that the AVM card
is available only to CDTV developers, and has a composite output only (so
you lose all the outputs of your original Video Slot card).
I hope this isn't NDA material, but a CDTV developer I talked to
(well, e-mailed, anyway) tells me that CATS has released CDTV 2.0 ROMs, which
will allow CDTV's 1.3-based OS to finally move to 2.x without losing CD0:
(the CD drive's ID under AmigaDOS). The ROMs are for developers only, and I
can only hope that they will be released to the public. Since my warranty
expired a few days ago, I decided to open up my CDTV and hav