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Digest V92 #237To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
1 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 237Today's Topics:
[ANS] Callbook Server At callsign.cs.Buffalo.EDU
         DX Cluster systems                       Help: Good
Packet Book?                           MFJ-1270 on HF?
           Packet driver for Excelan
Packet w/HP95 Palm Top                     TNC to TS-440
Connect: How?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 31 Aug 1992 20:13:08 -0700From:
[e-mail]: [ANS] Callbook Server At
callsign.cs.Buffalo.EDUTo: [e-mail]>Subject:
Callbook Server At callsign.cs.Buffalo.EDU >>A remote host did
not respond within the timeout period.>>Any
ideas?>CALLSIGN.CS.BUFFALO.EDU 2000 had a name change a while
back;sometimes the system will default to the new name and
sometimesit wont.  Try using ELECTRA.CS.BUFFALO.EDU 2000
(numerical of128.205.32.2).------------------------------Date:
Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:15:17 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!brtph5
60!nrtpa038![e-mail]: DX Cluster systemsTo:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (BARRY TITMARSH) writes:>I know
that the current DX Clusters use netrom and an agressive VC
mode>to get the information to its logged on users.. Has any one
thought that>the TCPIP telnet session is far more efficient way
of doing the same thing>with out so much QRM on the much used
links, Then perhaps the 3.rd world>wars that are currently
happening in most parts of Europe between tcpip users>and the DX
Cluster users who think that the DXC is the only thing on
the>network, may stop.. Thoughts? after all Netrom is dead! is
it not..>hi tech tcpip auto-routers are far more
efficient..>Barry...>DC0HK / G8SAU sometimes GM8SAU/ GB7SAU
mostly 44.130.24.71-74>Flames please..Our Cluster here works
very well.  We are much more interested in usingit than
advancing the state of the art.  We won't make changes
unlessthey are needed or improve things drastically.  Our
attitude is:If it Ain't broke don't fix
it!**************************************************************
*************** Alan Harp K4PB     *     Bell-Northern Research
    *   CW FOREVER      ** mail: [e-mail]  *   Research
Triangle Park, NC    *
*****************************************************************
************------------------------------Date: 31 Aug 92
21:05:52 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ccsvax.sfasu.edu!
[e-mail]: Help: Good Packet Book?To:
[e-mail] I've been involved in packet on
VHF for a number of years, I still gofor long periods that I
don't use it and have to relearn protocol.  With theaddition of
ROSE networks, etc, things have gotten more complex.  Is there
agood general book around that covers, on a how to basis, the
various commandsand procedures for use on packet, AMTOR, etc?  I
realize that there are variousdocuments available if you can get
to the right BBS but when you're stucktrying to just get out
it's frustrating.  Nacogdoches, Texas tends to have onlya very
few nodes on .01 that I can hit.Appreciate any suggestions.N1DJD
 Paul.  73..------------------------------Date: 31 Aug 92
21:09:05 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ccsvax.sfasu.edu!
[e-mail]: MFJ-1270 on HF?To:
[e-mail]'ve been told that only a minor mod in
baud rate is necessary to use an MFJ1270 TNC on HF.  Is that
true?  If so what's required?Paul
N1DJD73..------------------------------Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992
00:52:03 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!wb3ffv!cp4!hart@net
work.UCSD.EDUSubject: Packet driver for ExcelanTo:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 31 Aug
92 15:51:25 GMTFrom: [e-mail]: Packet w/HP95 Palm
TopTo: [e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Doug Crompton) writes:>> Jeff
writes:>>         Has anyone put this handy little item on
packet?>>         What does it take?>>         Is there a pocket
TNC that will work with this puppy?>>See "A Plethoric Packet
Present" by Buck Rogers, K4ABT in the December 1991>issue of CQ
magazine.  This article describes the combining of an Alinco
F1>with a PacComm HandiPacket and the HP 95LX.>>
       Doug (VE7FGU)    I use the HP95 with a PacComm
HandiPacket and aKenwood HT 27A. It is a very compact setup.
Bewarean error in the Buck Rogers article - the receive
andtransmit data pins are crossed ( 2->3 & 3->2, not 2->2 & 3->3
as shown there). The main point he makesis correct: you need to
tie pins 7 & 8 together on the HandiPacket because of the lack
of hardware handshaking on the 95. Once that is done, works
fine.                   Pat Harrington                   N3IZV                   185.7 kHz:
'JPH'------------------------------Date: 31 Aug 92 22:10:53
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ccsvax
.sfasu.edu![e-mail]: TNC to TS-440
Connect: How?To: [e-mail] appears that my
recently acquired Kenwood TS-440 has accessory plugs whichwould
facilitate linking it with a TNC for RTTY, AMTOR, Packet, etc.
Anybodyhave experience with this?  What's involved?TNX &
73,Paul, N1DJD------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
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92 04:30:04 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #238To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
2 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 238Today's Topics:        BBS
via Amateur radio content restrictions -- ACT NOW
    Current state of Packet Radio                  Link between
BBS via Amateur Radio                            TCPIP
problemsSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
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otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 1 Sep 92 14:02:38 EDTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!eff!
world!ksr![e-mail]: BBS via Amateur radio
content restrictions -- ACT NOWTo:
[e-mail]@cc.uvcc.edu writes:>The proposed
rule modifies 97.113(a)(2) to read: [no amateur station
shall>transmit:] Communications in which the station licensee or
control operator>have a pecuniary interest...>This will make it
possible for my station to transmit "business" traffic >provided
I do not profit from it.  It is a necessary step which must
be>applauded and supported.  >The problem is that the rule
changes in other areas do not go far enough...>We can transmit
notification of ham gear for sale or trade "provided that
such>activity is not conducted on a regular basis". This would
prohibit a>rec.radio.amateur.forsale newsgroup -- since
newsgroups operate on a "regular>basis."  Other .forsale groups
would seem to be legal provided all traffic was>third party --
no ham can post his own stuff.  (The language also seems
to>prohibit a regular "swap net" on 2 meter phone.)If individual
stations are given responsibility for messages (and
relayingstations alleviated of responsibility) then
rec.radio.amateur.forsale wouldbe OK; individual stations would
be prohibited from using "cron" to postregular forsale
announcements, but no one forwarding messages regularlywould
violate anything.>The prohibition against transmitting music is
still unclarified.  The direct>problem of music in space shuttle
re-broadcasts was considered and rejected, >however, the FCC did
suggest that "Interested parties...may comment regarding>whether
transmissions of music should be allowed."  I firmly believe
that the>wording should permit incedental transmission of
music.I do to, but I have a suspicion that the FCC is concerned
that they'll seedozens of pirate broadcasters take root in the
ham bands.  "Oh, well, I wasjust pretending to be a DJ in my ham
shack, and the mike accidently got stuckopen while I was playing
records!  Yeah, that's the ticket!  It was incidentalto my
spending 3 solid weeks tuning up a really fussy
antenna!">Another sticky point is the proscription against
"obscene, indecent, or>profane language."  Does the phone
company have a similar restriction on their>microwave radios?The
Phone Company is a "common carrier" and is absolved of all
responsibilityfor what they carry.  Apparently the current FCC
Chairman FIRMLY BELIEVES thatthe Government has a definite
interest in clean language, so relaxation of thatrule seems
unlikely.------------------------------Date: 1 Sep 1992 06:06:12
-0700From: [e-mail]: Current state of
Packet RadioTo: [e-mail] have been off the air
since all the good things have been happening inpacket like S&F
mailboxes, TCP/IP, and other things like that.  I have aHeathkit
TNC if that tells you how out of date I am with things.Is there
a document you can send me that will tell me about what has
beenhappening?  I am a computer programmer (op. sys internals)
so they can (andhopefully are) be technically oriented.P.S.:  I
thought packet was supposed to be error free; when I send or
receivemessages to/from the states, even the headers have
errors: parts lost andparts repeated.  I've received a message
four times even though my friend sentit once.ThanksScott Nelson,
OE3ZNS (WA6BLF in the
states)[e-mail][e-mail]------------------
------------Date: 31 Aug 92 14:53:26 EDTFrom:
agate!iat.holonet.net!uupsi!psinntp![e-mail]:
Link between BBS via Amateur RadioTo: [e-mail]
rec.radio.amateur.packet, [e-mail] (John Stannard)
writes:>In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Keith Mancus) writes:>> In article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
writes:>>> [e-mail] (Denis Beauregard)
writes:>>> >I would like to know if it is already done or not,
to use>>> >Ham radio to link stations in a BBS network.>> >>
Nonsense.  You are making assumptions about using 1200 baud VHF
links.>> We can achieve much higher bandwidths using good
compression strategies>> and by moving up into the microwave
region.  My reading so far indicates>> that 30-40 mile microwave
links running 10 Mbit/sec should be possible>> without
outrageous investments.>>    Oh Right!  Let's see...between me and
Fairbanks, that would mean>only about 12 to 16 new sites and
their associated equipment...what was>    that about "hams don't
have barrels of money to burn"?>How much would you estimate the
cost of ONE complete microwave station,>incl. hardware, software
and/or node/tcp-ip setup?  I've already spent>thousands already
just setting up HF/VHF equipment at this QTH for packet>use as a
bbs/forwarding station--not to mention what I'm putting
into>trying to get 9600 baud use (rigs/modems/tncs) going.The RF
hardware is actually quite cheap.   New 10 GHz gunn
diodetransceivers run about $40 new.  Used units sell from $5 to
$20.True, the varactor tuned ones for really high bandwidth/high
speedsystems will run you $70, the difference in cost is
probably insignifcantcompared to going from digital hardware
that handles 9600 pbs to onethat handles 25 megabits per second.
 The N6GN hardware is limited bythe slow poke digital stuff.
But, I haven't been paying close attentionto what the digital
folks are doing, so maybe I should be working on an optimized
varactor setup that will handle 50 to 100 Mbps.  Its justthat I
haven't seen a digital box to plug this into...>>Well, let's
see...I forgot I've got two major mountain ranges to cross,>one
with a 20,400 mountain to cross...yes, we've used knife-edge on
2m>to get across before...but microwave?  Better add 10 or so
more sites,>just to make sure...Yes, knife edge stuff also works
on microwaves.  However, rain is a realproblem in the 10 GHz
cumulatives.  It was so bad in August that manypeople stayed
home.  I was able to work one station operating from homeusing
150 ft of feedline (talk about lossy transmission lines!),
butmost of the people who didn't go out were off the air.
Fortunately, three ofmy friends braved the lousy weather and
gave me easy 70 to 133 km contactsthough the rain.  I must admit
that you would probably have to use 4 footdishes to get booming
signals we got (probably at least 60 dB out ofthe noise on one
100 km path)  (2 MHz vs 3 kHz).  But, with digital hardware,do
you really need such great signal to noise ratios?  Without
trees in the way (wonder if they are such a problem in
Alaska),signals are always better on 10 GHz than they are on 2
meters (probablybecause we run just a few watts--and not high
power amplifiers on 2M).Of course, this assumes I have the 2
foot dish aimed correctly on oneend with the feedhorn
approximately pointed on the other.Zack Lau  KH6CP/1Internet:
[e-mail]           Busy building 10 GHz SSB/CW gear
         Operating Interests: 10 GHz CW/SSB/FMUS Mail: c/o ARRL
Lab                       80/40/20 CW    225 Main Street          Station capability:
QRP, 1.8 MHz to 10 GHz    Newington CT  06111                   modes:
CW/SSB/FM/packet                              amtor/baudotPhone (if you really
have to): 203-666-1541>>   The existing packet network is very
poor, but that's just because>> it's dated.  Technology very
quickly becomes obsolete these days, and>> we hams don't have
barrels of money to burn.>>   Ultimately, the packet network
needs to put its backbones up in the>> microwave region and run
Internet speeds.>> >> -- >>  Keith Mancus
<[e-mail]>                         |>>
           N5WVR
 |>>   "If I owned Texas and I owned Hell, I'd rent out Texas
and live       |>>   in Hell." -General Sheridan
                          |>-- >-->>John
Stannard>[e-mail]        BITNET:
IFJRS@ALASKA>[e-mail]        kl7jl.ampr.org
[44.22.0.1]>>"God is the Answer!"   "Oh?? ... er, ... What was
the Question?">>-->------------------------------Date: 1 Sep
1992 13:19:01 -0700From: [e-mail]:
TCPIP problemsTo: [e-mail]:           TCP-GROUP
<[e-mail]>Hi All.How many of the TCPIP Cordinators in
Europe, experiance problemswith the TCPIP network,  reported to
them by users.I would like to hear from users of tcpip that have
problems with sysopsof digi's netroms flexnet and non tcpip
users in general.The situation here in Germany is rapidly
falling appart, more and more TCPIPusers being Bud listed from
Netroms routes being messed up in Flexnet systemsand the USE of
DAMA digi's to block all pid's other than PID=TextOne local
sysop said "TCPIP is like BBS S.F  its not permitted"Well ? You
got problems. ? Lets talk about it. and not just on our
Butts,and get Bullyed off the networks.Barry      44.130.24.71
[anon call look it up in your hosts.net]Thanks
All.------------------------------Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:07:40
GMTFrom: data.nas.nasa.gov!eos!aio!carla![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Link between
BBS via Amateur RadioIn article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(John Stannard) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Keith Mancus) writes:>> My reading so
far indicates that 30-40 mile microwave links running>>10
Mbit/sec should be possible without outrageous investments.>     Oh
Right!  Let's see...between me and Fairbanks, that would mean>
only about 12 to 16 new sites and their associated
equipment...what was>     that about "hams don't have barrels of
money to burn"?  Come on now, you are in a very unusual
position.  Here in east Texas,it's unusual for adjacent sites to
be very far apart.  In effect, youare telling me there are no
sites between Dallas and Houston.  Alaskahas different problems.
 Perhaps you will be stuck with 1200 baud for a while.  The
routesthat carry high traffic from many sites will be the first
to convert.That probably means both coasts, especially
California and the NorthEast.  Over *most* of the country, I
don't see a need for 400 mile links.> How much would you
estimate the cost of ONE complete microwave station,> incl.
hardware, software and/or node/tcp-ip setup?   Beats me.  Ask me
again after I get my microwave setup working.> Well, let's
see...I forgot I've got two major mountain ranges to cross,> one
with a 20,400 mountain to cross...yes, we've used knife-edge on
2m> to get across before...but microwave?  Better add 10 or so
more sites,> just to make sure...   Naah, just put a good
microwave repeater on the summit. :-) > John Stannard>
[e-mail]        BITNET:  IFJRS@ALASKA>
[e-mail]        kl7jl.ampr.org  [44.22.0.1]--  Keith
Mancus    <[e-mail]>
|                 N5WVR
        |  "If I owned Texas and I owned Hell, I'd rent out
Texas and live       |  in Hell." -General Sheridan
                             |------------------------------End
of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#238******************************Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 04:30:03
PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #239To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
3 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 239Today's Topics:        2400
bps,1200 baud,DSP(was New Packeteer Frustration)
Beginner: Yaesu HT, PowerBook 100, now what?                 HF
STA Reps Candidate Info  (2 msgs)                  Link between
BBS via Amateur Radio                        Packet Radio any
use?                Re: Link between BBS via Amateur Radio
                    TCM3105 Source?            UCSD claiming to
be gateway to amateur TCP/IPSend Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:02:32 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!hpfcbig![e-mail].E
DUSubject: 2400 bps,1200 baud,DSP(was New Packeteer
Frustration)To: [e-mail]> > >>specify morse, which
is fine), how fast can they listen?  On 80 meters> > >>a cycle
takes about 2.7e-7 seconds, if you could get computers to deal>
> >>with 3-5 cycles as a dit, and 9-15 cycles as a dah, you
could really> > >>push some bits trough.> > >> > >First,
calculate the bandwidth of the proposed modulation scheme.> > >
> > > Ahh, 1Hz?.. I am talking CW (Carier Wave).> > > > [...]> >
There was an aritcle many years ago about a Z80 based morse
reader> > that was good to maybe 80-100WPM.> And thinking about
it, the BW isn't going to be 1Hz any more,> either.With these
few cycles it gets hard to demodulate such a transmission
unlessyou know something about it.  For example, one could use
one of manyself-clocking techniques.  How about maybe XOR-ing
the intended data with arepeating pseudo-random sequence
everybody agrees upon, maybe, say at twicethe bit rate?  Sounds
a lot like DS spread spectrum...            -Paul
Bame            [e-mail]    N0KCL------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:09:07 GMTFrom:
pacbell.com!well!well.sf.ca.us![e-mail]:
Beginner: Yaesu HT, PowerBook 100, now what?To:
[e-mail] just picked up a Mac PB-100 laptop,
and knowing full well thata HT isn't the ideal radio for doing
packet, I'm now wondering -- canI do anything with my Yaesu
2-meter HT and the new laptop?I have a camping site within reach
of a packeteer's repeater system,and an inverter to provide
power from my car battery ... now what?Thanks for the advice,
from this novice.  N6VSB.------------------------------Date:
Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:37:26 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!skyler.mavd.honeywell.
com![e-mail]: HF STA Reps Candidate Info
To: [e-mail] ALL SYSOPS:Please forward to any HF
STA stations you might be aware
of.Thanks!-------------------------------------------------------
-------------------On August 26th, Dave Sumner (K1ZZ), ARRL
Executive Vice President maileda letter to each HF unattended
automatic STA participant.  This letterexplained the recent ARRL
Executive Committee action deferringconsideration until November
14th of the draft petition for rulemakingconcerning
automatically controlled data operation on HF frequencies.
Included was a ballot for selecting five candidates from the
"STA community".These five people, which the STA community as a
whole will select, willrepresent us at a meeting with the ARRL
Digital Committee targeted forSeptember 26th.  It is essential
that these five individuals be logicaland non-emotional in their
presentation of our data - they must be our"sales people" and
must convince the Digital Committee to alter theircurrent
proposal.A "working group" on Internet has been focusing on the
issues and strategy for many weeks and has been kicking around
names of some potential HF STA reps.  Our concern is that those
chosen to represent us must form a wellbalanced negotiating team
comprised of individuals with complementary andspecific skills.
If selection is made randomly of people whose names just"come to
mind" we will not get the well-balanced negotiating team we
need!No one is telling you, as a STA-participant how to vote.
We want you toknow who is available - and what their specialties
are.  So that you may havea better idea of who potential
candidates are, a list for your considerationhas been prepared.
Feel free to add to, delete from or disregard this
list!Candidates:Hank Oredson, W0RLI (OR) Author of W0RLI BBS
software.  One of the original "visionaries".  Spent mostof the
STA period on 14.098 Net and now back on 14.109 Net.Tom Clark,
W3IWI (MD)Extremely active in AMSAT.  Also one of the original
"visionaries"!  OnTAPR Board of Directors.  Active on 14.109 Net
and others.David Speltz, KB1PJ (NH)Very active on both AMTOR and
packet providing long-haul links to Europe.CEO of major Boston
hospital and "seasoned" negotiator. John Lind, KD7XG
(CA)Represented STA-participants at ARRL National Convention and
was key ingetting further discussions set-up.  Good negotiator
(Calm but determined!)Active on 14.109 Net.Lyle Johnson, WA7GXD
(AZ)"Mr. TAPR" to many.  One of the origianl packet pioneers.
Presented his ownproposal at ARRL National Convention which
seemed to represent common ground for ARRL and us.  Past officer
in TAPR and the "brains" behind many TAPR kits!Carl Estey,
WA0CQG (MN)Is conducting a survey of STA participants.  This
research will be presentedat Digital Committee/STA Reps meeting.
 Active on both 14.109 and 10.147 Nets.Mike Baugh, W8AKF (Was
IN, now CA)Net manager for 3.610; 7.097; 10.147 and 14.098 Nets.
 Very operations orientated.A few further notes:  The ARRL will
pay travel costs for the meeting.  It is likely that travel will
occur on Friday afternoon/evening; meetings all day Saturday;
several hours of meetings on Sunday followed by return home.
Several "candidates" have cautioned of potential time-schedule
conflicts sowe strongly want the ARRL Digital Committee to
consider October 3rd as an alternate date - which works better
for many!All STA participants are encouraged to also indicate on
the ballot if theywill participate in a transitional STA when
the current STA expires onJanuary 13, 1993.73Carl Estey
WA0CQG___________________________________________________________
___________________Carl Estey                  |  Home Mail
Address: 276 Walnut LaneAmateur Callsign:    WA0CQG |
         Apple Valley, MN 55124                            |
Business Address:  Honeywell Inc.Phone: Work [phone]  |
Flight Systems & Test Operations M/S MN15-2370       FAX  (612)
542-6003  |  1625 Zarthan Ave. S., St. Louis Park, MN 55416
 Home [phone]  |  Packet: WA0CQG @
WA0CQG.#SOMSP.MN.USA.NA   The nonsense here is of my own making
- no one else would want
credit!------------------------------Date: 2 Sep 1992 15:36:44
GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!bcm!lib!oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu![e-mail]
ubject: HF STA Reps Candidate InfoTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:>On August 26th, Dave
Sumner (K1ZZ), ARRL Executive Vice President mailed>a letter to
each HF unattended automatic STA participant.  This
letter>explained the recent ARRL Executive Committee action
deferring>consideration until November 14th of the draft
petition for rulemaking>concerning automatically controlled data
operation on HF frequencies.  >Included was a ballot for
selecting five candidates from the "STA community".Well, ARRL
bashers: Still think Dave Sumner runs the League?This is a
perfect example of how the ultimate decisions are made by
electedDirectors, and how the membership can (and does) make
itself heard.-- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never
ascribe to malice that which [e-mail]
 | adequately be explained by stupidity. "Keep in mind that
Amateur Radio As We Know It Today will cease to exist
at midnight tonight." -- Dave Newkirk,
WJ1Z------------------------------Date: 2 Sep 1992 12:33:59
GMTFrom: ucsd.edu![e-mail]: Link between
BBS via Amateur RadioTo: [e-mail][Note to Zack:
quote less.]The only commercial products I'm aware of that run
at reasonable speedsfor reasonable prices use Gunn-diodes doing
direct FSK on 23 Ghz.  Theyare microwave Ethernet
transceivers.Bdale and crew were working on doing something
similar - the goal is tohave a box that you can plug into a
PC(or mac, or sun)'s Ethernet hole,and point its antenna at a
similar box, yielding a highspeed link.I think they got up to
about 3mbit a year or more ago.  Dunno where it'sgone since
then.However, RCE and his crew have shown that this kind of
performance isprobably ONLY available on point-to-point links
unless you use somesort of spread spectrum scheme that can deal
with multipath, since inany non-PtP application with high-speed
data, the multipath just chewsthe life out of your bitstream.
Even 56kb at 433 MHz dies from that.Note that a repeater system
can be equivalent to a PtP link, since eachparticipating station
points his directional antenna at the repeater.    -
Brian------------------------------Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 11:03:22
EDTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!n8emr!bluemoon
![e-mail]: Packet Radio any use?To:
[e-mail]   I agree with comments about packet radio
being slow andbackward, but the messages I send on it often get
through,in weeks if not days.  On the land-line nets I find an
awfullot of what I send comes back because the route has
[e-mail] whose home bbs has trouble getting
the mail out sometimes, so it may go here
instead.------------------------------Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992
19:34:22 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla![e-mail]
SD.EDUSubject: Re: Link between BBS via Amateur RadioTo:
[e-mail] rec.radio.amateur.packet, [e-mail]
(Brian Kantor) writes:    Bdale and crew were working on doing
something similar - the goal is to    have a box that you can
plug into a PC(or mac, or sun)'s Ethernet hole,    and point its
antenna at a similar box, yielding a highspeed link.    I think
they got up to about 3mbit a year or more ago.  Dunno where it's
   gone since then.  I'm not sure what is going on in Colorado
either. Perhaps new-parenthoodhas stolen a few extra cycles
(:>). (Bdale, you still there? )  In any case, even the stuff I
built with radar gun/motion detectorsources would receive full
10 Mbps and generally transmit something thatbore a resemblance
to data up to about 8 Mbps or so.  I didn't work veryhard trying
to improve the tx bandwidth of the modulator since we endedup
not using Ethernet cards and didn't necessarily want to spend
thesystem C/N (or DX) on it anyway.  As Zack pointed out, at the
time wewere limited by digital h/w capability and not by the RF
stuff.  Thingsreally haven't changed much in that respect.
While MaComm or similarsources with wider bandwidth electronic
tuning can be used to run withEthernet cards I haven't been
particularly interested in pursuing thatsince it doesn't seem to
be a great help in the general problem ofbuilding a better
amateur network with amateur resources.  It attractsthe
XWindows_at_home crowd and a few other CS types but doesn't do
muchtoward getting the amateur community as a whole involved in
workingtogether in a coordinated way in order to create a
moderate or highspeed wide area *network*.  It's chief value is
in higher speedbackbones and it's all we can do to support the
current ~250kbpsdevelopment going on at the moment (on hamradio
budgets) without tryingto give *users* 10 Mbps or faster
service.  Getting them to worktogether to install well located
local hubs and connect their clusterstogether with backbones is
presently challenge enough at these speeds.  As I've said
before, the microwave link article was intended as ateaser as
much as anything else.  I wanted to demonstrate that higherrate
information transfer was not expensive if you got into
territorywhere you could effectively communicate the associated
energy. To answera question of an early poster in this string,
parts cost was on the orderof $100-$150 per end for the 2 Mbps
10 GHz link.    However, RCE and his crew have shown that this
kind of performance is    probably ONLY available on
point-to-point links unless you use some    sort of spread
spectrum scheme that can deal with multipath, since in    any
non-PtP application with high-speed data, the multipath just
chews    the life out of your bitstream.  Even 56kb at 433 MHz
dies from that.    Note that a repeater system can be equivalent
to a PtP link, since each    participating station points his
directional antenna at the repeater. I think this is what Brian
meant but I'd modify by the above to use thephrase Line-of-Sight
(LOS) rather than PTP to avoid confusion andemphasize that this
is a physical layer issue.  Even Ethernet has thisproblem.  At
the physical layer it is *not* broadcast.  There is ashield on
the coax.  This is crucial to its success.  It's alsointeresting
to me that Ethernet's DX which is often thought of as
beinglimited by the CD requirement and the packet
length/transmission delayissues is on the verge of being limited
by multipath and losses.  Ihaven't done an exhaustive analysis
but when the effects of cable lossesare combined with reasonable
estimates of reflections due to mismatches(at the taps and
terminations) it looks to me like inter-symbolinterference would
kill things even if the minimum packet length wereincreased to
keep the CD function alive.  As I remember from myestimates, the
present maximum Ethernet DX is about halfway to thislimit.  For
amateur radio, adding spreading is not a panacea either.  From
aneconomics and resources viewpoint, the additional loss
incurred once onedeviates from LOS is so bad that even if
multipath weren't an issue, Idon't believe that hams would be
able to afford the systems that wouldbe necessary to get
highspeed data through; even in the microwave bandswhere we have
the best (only) shot at it.  We don't mind an extra 30 dBloss
most of the time when we're jawing on our 10 watt 2M nbfm radio
viathe local repeater and have 60 dB to spare but when that is
applied to ahigher information rate system running with much
smaller margins it's akiller.  We developed the Hubmaster
protocol, which has a lot of similarity tothe user/repeater
model Brian mentions, as *a* means to implement anintermediate
solution given ham resources and population densities.
Itdoesn't solve the problem for the sparse user situation.  Even
with thebest LOS/microwave solution it's going to co$t to pipe
information overDX.  Some of the really long haul situations
(coast to coast, continentto continent) may be served by
satellites operating in a controlledpoint-to-multipoint manner
but many local backbones between clusters ofusers (not to
mention the cluster itself) are going to have to funded bythe
local users.  This is a model similar to the local nbfm
repeaterclub with the extension that it is a linked repeater
system.  The goodnews here is that hams probably have the best
line on access to theprimo local sites and know the local
powers-that-be (if they aren't themthemselves).  For once we
have an asset/resource toward building aphysically distributed
wireless network that even the big guys havetrouble financing.
The Hubmaster protocol is a compromise in the direction of full
pt-ptLOS paths which are probably not currently practical given
the amateurradio environment.  It allows a multiplexed server (a
polling protocol and radio with an antenna which is designedto
serve multiple users in the azimuthal plane while having gain in
theelevation plane) while letting users pick up some of the
advantages ofdirectional antennas in order to make system
requirements and spectralreuse reasonable at higher data rates.
When the day comes that an amateur network has to have 100 Mbps
(or 1Gbps) to the user to be "interesting" and "competetive"
then we'll allhave to have pt-pt protocols and narrow beamwidth
(millimeterwavelength?)  antennas or else *real* LOS/point-point
hardware ...optical fiber to our doors.  In the meantime we're
trying to find an affordable and interestingintermediate speed
solution using amateur radio.  I'm trying to getthings ready to
put the first of the 256 kbps radios with an MIOdigital
interface/control on top of a local hilltop this coming
weekend.Wish me luck.Glenn Elmore n6gnN6GN @ K3MC      amateur
IP:    [e-mail]:    [e-mail]
------------------------------Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 14:48:08
GMTFrom: das.wang.com!wang![e-mail]: TCM3105
Source?To: [e-mail] am trying to get into packet
radio.  The best way ($$ being a BIG factor)seems to be to build
the BayCom modem and use the KA9Q software and the AX25packet
driver for the BayCom modem.I got the postscript file (wicked
cool!) of the schematic for same, but,cannot locate a TCM3105
chip.  Does anyone know where I can get one?Someone mentioned
"the BayCom or DigiCom kits".  I was not aware that therewas a
"BayCom kit".  Perhaps this would be ideal.  (Comments?
Pointers?)I thought about PMP (Poor Man's Packet) and even got
the software, but when Itried contacting Andy Payne (of PMP
fame) about the availability of theirkit, I never got any
reply.------------------------------Date: 2 Sep 92 14:43:55
GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun.tamu.edu!cs.tamu.edu!willis@network.
UCSD.EDUSubject: UCSD claiming to be gateway to amateur
TCP/IPTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Patricia Winter)
writes:...|> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Al) writes:|> >I notice that UCSD.EDU is advertising the IP
addresses of 11417 amateurs|> >in the ampr.org domain.  Does
anyone know if these sites are REALLY|> >reachable via the
internet?  mirrorshades.ucsd.edu claims to be a gateway,|> >but
it doesn't seem to be.|> |> |> I don't know what Al means by
"advertising", but ucsd.edu acts as the|> nameserver for the
ampr.org domain. Because of the unique nature of |> Net 44,
finding an Internet address for one of these nodes doesn't|>
guarantee that you can actually reach it.Actually, you now can
reach many nodes.  mirrorshades.ucsd.edu is now pointedto as the
router where net 44 touches the regular (hah!) Internet.
Besidesname service, Brian has got the regional network provider
to put net 44 in itsrouting updates ("advertising").  Packets
from the Internet with a 44.xx.yy.zzdestination wind their way
to mirrorshades.  *IF* the site is reachablefrom the set of
gateways, then it'll get forwarded.  Not all net 44 addressesare
reachable.  Better to ask around your local amateur tpc/ip
community tofind out where your site stands....|> Is everyone
sufficiently confused yet? :-)Nah.  Let's try some harder.
8-)Cheers, Willis n5szf------------------------------Date: 2 Sep
92 18:08:30 GMTFrom: hayes![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: New packeteer
frustrationIn article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:> In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Coleman)
writes:>>In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:>>> Well if you insist on
using Japanese voice radios, you shouldn't expect>>> good
performance. Military radios with mechanical filters don't seem
to>>> have a problem.>>>>No problem, Gary. We'll just have all
amateurs dispose of their rice boxes>>and replace them with
nice, inexpensive military gear. <grin>> > This wasn't meant to
be a funny comment. Mine was the funny comment. I think your
expectation for everyone to immediately throw out their existing
rigs to run digital modes is unrealistic.We haven't even begun
to take advantage of the capabilities of the
existingcrystal-filter phase distorted audio channel, forcing
such a step now isclearly premature.> I think that it's
unrealistic> to expect commonly used voice rigs to be suitable
for high performance> data transmission. I disagree. I think it
is realistic FOR NOW. Eventually, that replacementwill happen.
And it will happen naturally.> We see this same problem at
VHF/UHF when people insist> on using voice radios for data
communications. VHF/UHF is a different beast. Bandwidth
available and allowable is differentthan HF.I agree that we
should begin to see data radios on VHF/UHF, and thatthe strategy
used in the 56Kb RF modem is the correct one for highspeed RF
data transmission makes lots of sense there.>>>>Not really. The
rules dictate a maximum symbol rate (300 baud below 28
MHz)>>>>and a maximum shift (1000 Hz below 30 MHz). Other than
that, the rules are>>>>remarkably open.> > Piccolo and Clover
are not PSK, but they also aren't a single 300 baud FSK> carrier
either and they are illegal under the current rules. Nothing in
the rules dictates only 300 baud FSK single carrier signals.
Theonly regulations are on the signalling rate (300 baud), and
the overallfrequency shift (1000 Hz).> Transmission> of multiple
carriers in the same band by the same station is
forbidden.Please cite the regulation that prohibits this type of
operation.I agree that an overall bandwidth restriction would
make more sense. (Althougha symbol rate restriction *IS* a
bandwidth restriction, since a highersymbol rates necessarily
take up more bandwidth)> What I'd like to see is a realignment>
of the rules to concentrate on bandwidth restrictions only. I'd
like to see this as well.-- Bill Coleman, AA4LR                !
CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958Principal Software Engineer
     ! Packet Radio: AA4LR @ W4QOHayes Microcomputer Products,
Inc. ! UUCP: uunet!hayes!bcolemanPOB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348
USA   ! Internet: [e-mail]: "My
employer doesn't pay me to have opinions."Quote: "The same light
shines on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve
Hackett.------------------------------Date: 2 Sep 92 14:14:30
EDTFrom: hayes![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: New packeteer
frustrationIn article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:> In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Coleman)
writes:>>In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:>>> >>> I
understand bandwidth limits, but if we can put 9600 bps into
the>>> same bandwidth as "CQ DX...your 59, 73! CQ DX...," then
we should!>>>>Note that the above CQ DX would have to occur in
CW. After all, the>>digital transmissions don't occur in the
voice subbands, they occur>>in the digital subbands. > >
Strictly speaking that's not completely true. CW is a digital
mode> and it is permitted *anywhere* on the amateur bands. The
original post indicated that you could move a lot of data
through a"CQ DX your 59, 73" type of contact bandwidth. I merely
pointed out thatsuch a contact would have to take place in CW,
since voice would notbe permitted in the same bandwidth as the
digital equivalent.After all, if you intend to occupy the same
piece of spectrum with anew-fangled digital signal instead of an
older mode "useless" typeQSO, your digital signal better be
legal in that spectrum. I don'tthink the original poster
realised this.Read carefully, Gary. Carefully.> Then there's>
SSTV, it's not voice, but is allowed in the voice bands. In
fact> it's only allowed in the voice bands. SSTV is an
interesting case> as well because it is in practice a digital
signal transmitted by a> frequency and amplitude shifted
carrier. SSTV is not a digital signal at all, but an analog one.
It is nottransmitting digital information, but analog
information. If the inputinformation happens to conform to
discrete levels, that does not makeit digital information.Hence,
the place SSTV has earned in our bands, amoung the "analog"
subband.-- Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327
  AppleLink: D1958Principal Software Engineer        ! Packet
Radio: AA4LR @ W4QOHayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. ! UUCP:
uunet!hayes!bcolemanPOB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   !
Internet: [e-mail]: "My employer
doesn't pay me to have opinions."Quote: "The same light shines
on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve
Hackett.------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #239******************************Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92
04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #240To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Fri,
4 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 240Today's Topics:
     Help on H/H & TNC problems reqd
Piccolo and Clover                     Shutdown protest?? (2
msgs)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:08:42 GMTFrom:
deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!rdg.dec.com!irnbru.enet.dec.com!ralexande
[e-mail]: Help on H/H & TNC problems reqdTo:
[e-mail] have a packet station consisting of the
following equipment:Rig : Alinco ALM203E H/HTNC : BSX2 (TNC 200
clone)PC  : AMSTRAD PPC640DDI think I have a problem with the
above which  I think might bestemming from the H/H I use. It`s a
relativery old H/H but has givenme good and reliable service,
however I have noticed that it`s use seems to result in the loss
of quite a few packets on my local frequency.By this I mean that
the TNC DCD light is illuminated but the CON light doesnot flash
to indicate that the packet has been rx`ed properly. It also
seemsto be very susceptable to the frequencies of the tones, as
I have two nodeswroughly equidistance from me but their tones
are very slightly different, rsulting in one being rx`ed ok the
other only very occasionally.I have used a FT290R in same setup
in place of the ALINCO which has fixed theproblem.My main
question then is, I guess the problem may be due to two things -
the squelchopen time of the RIG and also the de-emphasis, Is
this correct?, Has anyone else hadthis problem with the rig or
can suggest any mods?? Would fitting a H/W DCD to the TNCand
running with open squelch help, can it be done on my TNC, has
anyone got any detailsof a mod or design for a DCD.I hope you
can help cos this problem is very fustrating...73`sRobin
Alexanderampr         : [e-mail]     :
[e-mail] Level Systems Product
Business Unit,Digital Equipment, Scotland.+44 292 883375 (DTN
823-3375)------------------------------Date: 3 Sep 92 14:17:21
GMTFrom: idacrd![e-mail]: Piccolo and CloverTo:
[e-mail] is multitone OOK and Clover IS a
form of PSK, it is QAM.According to the last propaganda I saw,
they had 16 point squareconstellations in the highest speed
mode.  This means it is notJUST PSK, but also has an amplitude
component.  I view this ashighly suspect without some pretty
fancy adaptive equalizationgoing on because of the rapidly
changing channel.  Suppose you gothrough a 10 dB fade (not at
all unusual on any HF channel), how willyou distinguish between
a high amplitude point and a low amplitude point?It is for this
reason that I have chosen to limit my work to 600 to 1200 bpsand
use only constant amplitude signals on each of the carriers that
makeup the (now decidely nonconstant amplitude) composite.  I do
not know if thiswork will ever come to fruition since I cannot
form a working relationshipwith AEA and this is just too time
consuming and frankly valuable to dofor
nothing.Bob------------------------------Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992
15:17:01 GMTFrom:
spsgate!mogate!newsgate![e-mail]: Shutdown
protest??To: [e-mail] all...There was a
message on the local PBBS's that one of the groups in our
area(Phoenix, AZ) is going to shut down all their BBS's, nodes,
etc. overthe Labor Day weekend to protest the ARRL position on
unattendedforwarding. They seem to think this will "send a
strong message to theARRL".Seems kinda stupid to me. Seems like
they will be only proving that theworld can get along just fine
without packet forwarding, which I would think is exactly the
opposite of what they want to show.Is this a widespread protest
this weekend or just an isolated group?73....    Mark
KG7JL------------------------------Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 02:45:51
GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!n8emr![e-mail]:
Shutdown protest??To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:>Greetings all...>>There was a
message on the local PBBS's that one of the groups in our
area>(Phoenix, AZ) is going to shut down all their BBS's, nodes,
etc. over>the Labor Day weekend to protest the ARRL position on
unattended>forwarding. They seem to think this will "send a
strong message to the>ARRL".I see two problems with this. First
since many hams will be out enjoyingthe week end any way, doubt
they would miss the network for a weekendand second the ARRL is
in  Newington I doubt that a Phoenix shutdown is going to bother
them.. How about a simple letter writting drive to let them know
first hand, not just a huff and puff session.-- Gary W. Sanders
[e-mail], 72277,1325N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr)
44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address coordinator]HAM BBS 614-895-2553
(1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice: 614-895-2552
(eves/weekends)------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #240******************************Date: Sat,  5 Sep
92 04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #241To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
5 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 241Today's Topics:
Downloadable reference for AX.25 protocol?
    FLEXNET software                    FTP -> E-Mail Server (2
msgs)                   Help on H/H & TNC problems reqd
                Piccolo and Clover                     Shutdown
protest?? (2 msgs)                         where do I get
infoSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:26:53 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!hplvec![e-mail].
EDUSubject: Downloadable reference for AX.25 protocol?To:
[e-mail] there a file I can download to tell me
the meanings of the textinside the < >'s below (I think I'm
asking for a downloadable referencefor the AX.25 protocol.
Maybe inside a program's doc file??):    AUR1>N0MXS [via LOV*]
<RR (P) R0>    N0MXS>AUR1 [via LOV*]  <RR (F) R5>    AUR1>N0MXS
[via LOV*]  <I (Text) R0 S5>:    AUR1>N0MXS [via LOV*]  <RR R1>
  AUR1>N0MXS [via LOV*]  <DISC (P)>    N0MXS>AUR1 [via LOV*]
<UA (F)>    N0MXS>AUR1 [via LOV*]  <I (Text) R7 S0>:
AUR1>N0MXS [via LOV*]  <DISC (P)>    N0MXS>AUR1 [via LOV*]  <UA
(F)>    WA5VRL-1>ID  <UI (Text)>:    N0MXS>AUR1 [via LOV*]  <REJ
R1>(I'm new to packet and am having fun with Poor Man's Packet
(which ofcourse did not come with a TNC manual!)Please email
file names (and with anonymous ftp internet address
withdirectory path is best!).Thanks!----Ted Cline, N0RQV
           VXI Systems Divisiontcline@hpislx
  Hewlett-Packard, M/S [e-mail]
815 14th Street SWVOICE: [phone]               P.O. Box
301FAX:   [phone]               Loveland, CO  80537
USA------------------------------Date: 5 Sep 1992 03:04:41
-0700From: [e-mail]: FLEXNET
softwareTo: [e-mail] i notice that the flexnet
software is not on any FTP Siteshould it be uploaded. ? this
might help those who have problems gettingthis code for the
hardwarelet me know if there is a demand for the code to be on
UCSD.EDU thenit will be uploadedYes or No
?Barry...------------------------------Date: 4 Sep 1992 06:29:04
-0700From: [e-mail]: FTP -> E-Mail
ServerTo: [e-mail] *used* to have information
about a FTP to E-Mail server that existed on BITNET.  Does
anyone have information on such a beast on Internet/Bitnet?I see
lots of messages about anon. ftp but I am not on the internet; I
can getmail from the internet though.Scott Nelson
[e-mail]              [e-mail]
------------------------------Date: 4 Sep 92 15:10:38 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!athena.cs.uga.edu!fuller@network.U
CSD.EDUSubject: FTP -> E-Mail ServerTo:
[e-mail]@attmail.COM writes:>I *used* to
have information about a FTP to E-Mail server that existed on
>BITNET.  Does anyone have information on such a beast on
Internet/Bitnet?>>I see lots of messages about anon. ftp but I
am not on the internet; I can get>mail from the internet though.
    Princeton's BITFTP gateway still exists but it's been closed
to everyoneexcept the people actually on BITNET, i.e. the people
who are *supposed* to beusing it.  It was shut down because of
dimwits who tried to d/l GNU EMACSor the X windows source
distribution through email and blew out intermediatesites' mail
spools one too many times.     There's another such gateway at
decwrl which was still operating as ofa few months ago.  Send me
email if you're interested and I'll dig up theaddress you poke
to make decwrl emit its help message.
                        -- jf------------------------------Date:
4 Sep 92 16:47:41 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary@network.
UCSD.EDUSubject: Help on H/H & TNC problems reqdTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Robin Alexander) writes:>I have
a packet station consisting of the following equipment:>>Rig :
Alinco ALM203E H/H>TNC : BSX2 (TNC 200 clone)>PC  : AMSTRAD
PPC640DD>>I think I have a problem with the above which  I think
might be>stemming from the H/H I use. It`s a relativery old H/H
but has given>me good and reliable service, however I have
noticed that it`s use >seems to result in the loss of quite a
few packets on my local frequency.>>By this I mean that the TNC
DCD light is illuminated but the CON light does>not flash to
indicate that the packet has been rx`ed properly. It also
seems>to be very susceptable to the frequencies of the tones, as
I have two nodes>wroughly equidistance from me but their tones
are very slightly different, >rsulting in one being rx`ed ok the
other only very occasionally.>>I have used a FT290R in same
setup in place of the ALINCO which has fixed the>problem.>>My
main question then is, I guess the problem may be due to two
things - the squelch>open time of the RIG and also the
de-emphasis, Is this correct?, Has anyone else had>this problem
with the rig or can suggest any mods?? Would fitting a H/W DCD
to the TNC>and running with open squelch help, can it be done on
my TNC, has anyone got any details>of a mod or design for a
DCD.>>I hope you can help cos this problem is very
fustrating...Tone twist, the phone company term for the effects
of incorrect pre-emphasis/de-emphasis, is an annoying problem
that plagues many packeteers using the microphone input and
speaker output of their voice radio for packet. There are a
couple of solutions. The best is to go into your rig and insert
tones directly at the modulator stage and extract tones directly
from the discriminator stage, bypassing the bad emphasis
networks in the radio.The second solution doesn't require
modifying the radio. Simplyput RC networks in the input and
output leads that compensate forthe poor emphasis networks in
the radio. You'll need a test setof some sort to know when you
have the total curve just right. Or,you can just play it by ear
on a separate rig until everything"sounds" right. That's usually
close enough.Hardware DCD and open squelch is almost always a
good idea. TAPRhas a kit that plugs in the modem chip socket to
implement this.It's cheap and simple to install.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 4 Sep 92 13:36:41
GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv![e-mail]:
Piccolo and CloverTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob McGwier)
writes:>Piccolo is multitone OOK and Clover IS a form of PSK, it
is QAM.>According to the last propaganda I saw, they had 16
point square>constellations in the highest speed mode.  This
means it is not>JUST PSK, but also has an amplitude component.
I view this as>highly suspect without some pretty fancy adaptive
equalization>going on because of the rapidly changing channel.
Suppose you go>through a 10 dB fade (not at all unusual on any
HF channel), how will>you distinguish between a high amplitude
point and a low amplitude point?That, of course, is the problem
with any amplitude modulated signal. Thetrick, as always, is to
arrange for the symbol times to be different from
thecharacteristic fading times of the channel. If the symbol
time is dramaticallylonger or shorter than the characteristic
fading time, then distinguishingreal symbols from channel
conditions is possible. The QAM encoding at thebps rates assumed
by Clover should make the symbols longer than rapid fades in the
channel and shorter than the long fades that also sometimes
occur.With it's method of dynamically varying symbol times
depending on channelconditions, and assuming decent AGC in the
receivers, Clover II should have the capability to perform near
the peak of channel capacity under widely varying channel
conditions. And naturally, if you have more than10 db of fade
margin in the channel, say 2 S units, then 10 db fades areonly a
slight nuisance.I shouldn't be telling you how to suck eggs,
you're the expert here,but I'd think that the kinds of post
processing used on weak spacesignals should also work with
Clover or any other modem modulation scheme. Various moving
window enhancement techniques are available to draw the signal
out of the noise or fill in holes in a fixed duration symbol.
Beyond that, various FEC methods can retrieve damaged bits.
Perhaps we need to broaden our focus from just modulation
methods to complete systems for moving error free data. The most
dramatic example of the power of post processing that I'veseen
is in D2 digital video. A picture that looks like a snowstormin
raw form becomes crystal clear after deconvolution and post
processingusing 2D Reed-Solomon FEC codes and bit interpolation.
The inner block codingretrieves byte errors and the outer block
coding can recover 2 kbit bursterrors. Interpolation can handle
any doubly damaged bit strings. Thekinds of errors produced by
mechanically moved magnetic tape are remarkablysimilar to the
kinds of errors expected on an HF channel with it's noisebursts
and fades. Tape dropouts and mechanical mistracking map nearly
onefor one to lightning crashes and channel fades when viewed in
respect tothe symbol time of the data.Gary
KE4ZV------------------------------Date: 4 Sep 92 15:15:32
GMTFrom: bu.edu!dartvax!pranny![e-mail]:
Shutdown protest??To: [e-mail]> > There was a
message on the local PBBS's that one of the groups in our area>
(Phoenix, AZ) is going to shut down all their BBS's, nodes, etc.
over> the Labor Day weekend to protest the ARRL position on
unattended> forwarding. They seem to think this will "send a
strong message to the> ARRL".> ...hm, I've been on packet for
nine years, now.  Seen it change.To tell the truth, I'd view a
shutdown of this kind as a positiveevent.  When all is said, if
I need timely, content insensitive data communications, I'll use
the Net, dialup or real PSNs.Packet, as is, is an interesting
pastime, but nothing to get upsetover..........I know,
blasphemy, but such is my viewpoint. Now, when we change to a
nice uniform 9600, with defined channelization,frequency agile
tnc/txcvrs and all that good stuff....
Lee------------------------------Date: 5 Sep 1992 06:04:12
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!us
enet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu![e-mail]
ject: Shutdown protest??To: [e-mail] reasons for
many actions were to:     1.  Show unified support against the
ARRL proposal.     2.  Offer support to those with legitimate
views.     3.  Thank those STA stations who have been handling
our mail.To this end, it may have been successful.  Having
already had ourcommunity in contact with and having had
assurances that our Directorwas acting on our behalf and then
coming to find he was, instead,abandoning us, I find it
difficult to fully believe that this latestaction will be
fruitful.  I hope, I just don't want to get
burnedagain.73,Steve, NO8M-- ------------------------------Date:
Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:10:33 GMTFrom:
news.claremont.edu!ucivax!ocsqnt![e-mail]:
where do I get infoTo: [e-mail] am a ham long
since expired (WD8PAB).  I have breen watching thisgroup for a
while and it has renewed my interest in amateur radio.
Ispecifically am interested in information on the type of
equipment,license level, etc. that I would need to get into
packet radio.If anyone can mail me anything or point me to a
book I'd appreciate it.Thanks.Robert WinterSequent Computer
SystemsCosta Mesa, CA
[e-mail]...uunet!sequent!winter------------------------
------Date: 4 Sep 92 18:43:41 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!eff!wo
rld![e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: New packeteer
frustration>If you>want to claim that TV is inherently an analog
medium, I beg to differ.Hey, here's a way to pick that nit:  TV
is analog in the horizontaldimension, digital in the vertical
dimension.-- Stevens R. Miller, J.D.        E-mail to
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 4 Sep 92
13:02:07 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To : [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman)Subject : Re: New packeteer frustrationIn article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Coleman)
writes:>In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:>> In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Coleman)
writes:>>>Note that the above CQ DX would have to occur in CW.
After all, the>>>digital transmissions don't occur in the voice
subbands, they occur>>>in the digital subbands. >> >> Strictly
speaking that's not completely true. CW is a digital mode>> and
it is permitted *anywhere* on the amateur bands. >>The original
post indicated that you could move a lot of data through a>"CQ
DX your 59, 73" type of contact bandwidth. I merely pointed out
that>such a contact would have to take place in CW, since voice
would not>be permitted in the same bandwidth as the digital
equivalent.>>After all, if you intend to occupy the same piece
of spectrum with a>new-fangled digital signal instead of an
older mode "useless" type>QSO, your digital signal better be
legal in that spectrum. I don't>think the original poster
realised this.>>Read carefully, Gary. Carefully.Read carefully
yourself. The original poster was calling for ruleschanges to
allow digital data transmission in the spectrum now usedmainly
for voice transmission. As I pointed out, not all digitalmodes
are restricted to a limited portion of HF *today*, with CWbeing
the cited example of being legal *anywhere* in any band.>> Then
there's>> SSTV, it's not voice, but is allowed in the voice
bands. In fact>> it's only allowed in the voice bands. SSTV is
an interesting case>> as well because it is in practice a
digital signal transmitted by a>> frequency and amplitude
shifted carrier. >>SSTV is not a digital signal at all, but an
analog one. It is not>transmitting digital information, but
analog information. If the input>information happens to conform
to discrete levels, that does not make>it digital
information.Actually, you'll note that I said "in practice"
above because all ornearly all SSTV nowadays is done as the
transmission of one digitalframe buffer to another. I doubt
there are many people still photographinga P7 radar tube to
capture SSTV images, and much SSTV is directly computergenerated
graphics. It's never analog from gener ation

 to display. If youwant to claim that TV is inherently an analog
medium, I beg to differ.Much of what we air  has never been in
analog form until it's convertedfor NTSC transmission. Most of
our production is now done in 4:2:2component digital. With the
advent of digital HDTV transmission, thevideo will never be in
analog form from generation to display. SSTVuses "modem tones"
to pass the 8 bit digital pictures from one framebuffer to
another.Gary KE4ZV------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #241******************************Date:
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Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #242To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
6 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 242Today's Topics:
Beginner: Yaesu HT, PowerBook 100, now what?
Downloadable reference for AX.25 protocol?
  FTP -> E-Mail Server                         Real Cheapo
Beginner                    rsgb gb2rs news  6th september
                   Shutdown protest??                    TCPIP
in Germany Users BANNEDSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
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otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 5 Sep 92 18:02:09 GMTFrom:
data.nas.nasa.gov!taligent!apple![e-mail]:
Beginner: Yaesu HT, PowerBook 100, now what?To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Hank Roberts) writes:>>Having just picked up
a Mac PB-100 laptop, and knowing full well that>a HT isn't the
ideal radio for doing packet, I'm now wondering -- can>I do
anything with my Yaesu 2-meter HT and the new laptop?"Not ideal"
does not equal "useless". I've never used anything *except*an HT
for packet. I don't even have the necesssary connector to hook
myTNC to my mobile rig.You've got a fine start. Just add a TNC
and some communicationssoftware for the Mac, connect everything
together, and you'll be fine.Sure, a little amplifier for the HT
would be nice (I have a 3x4-inch25-watt Vocom), but if you can
get a small antenna outside and havesome nearby packet PBBSs or
digipeaters, you can get by without theamp. I leave mine off
most of the time, which means I'm connecting toa node 25 miles
away with only 2 watts and a 1/4-wave whip at 15 feet.As for
software, any terminal emulation program (MacTerminal,
Microphone,Microsoft Works, etc.) will suffice. Or, if you get a
TNC that has KISSmode (highly recommended), you can use a more
intelligent comm program,such as the Macintosh version of KA9Q's
TCP/IP-based NET program. Ithandles NET/ROM and AX.25
connections as well as TCP/IP, so you can useit for everything.
It's on ftp.apple.com if you want to grab it.Pattyp.s One thing
you'll need to remember if you've added a built-in modemto the
PowerBook is to use the "Portable" control panel device toswitch
to External Modem when you're using the TNC. Otherwise
you'lldrive yourself crazy trying to figure out why the packet
system isn'tworking. (Heed the voice of experience. :-))  Or, if
you aren't using the other (nominally printer/AppleTalk)
serialport for anything, you could just set up your comm program
to use that one instead, leaving the nominal phone port
connected to the internal modem.--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::   Patty Winter N6BIS           Internet: [e-mail]
::             ::   Sunnyvale, California           AMPRNet: 44.4.0.44
         ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
------------------------------Date: 5 Sep 1992 14:32:59 GMTFrom:
ucsd.edu![e-mail]: Downloadable reference
for AX.25 protocol?To:
[e-mail]@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Ted Cline)
writes:>Is there a file I can download to tell me the meanings
of the text>inside the < >'s below (I think I'm asking for a
downloadable reference>for the AX.25 protocol.  Maybe inside a
program's doc file??):No, the AX.25 protocol isn't available on
line.  You can buy a copy ofthe spec from the ARRL for $8.>
AUR1>N0MXS [via LOV*]  <RR (P) R0>    aur1 says to n0mxs, "are you
there? I'm ready for frame 0">    N0MXS>AUR1 [via LOV*]  <RR (F)
R5>    n0mxs replies, "I'm here, nothing for you, I'm ready for
frame 5">    AUR1>N0MXS [via LOV*]  <I (Text) R0 S5>:    aur1 says
"here is info (data) frame 5, and I'm still ready for 0">
AUR1>N0MXS [via LOV*]  <RR R1>    aur1 says "i'm now ready for
frame 1 [ack frame 2-7,0]">    AUR1>N0MXS [via LOV*]  <DISC
(P)>    aur1 says "knock down the connection and acknowledge that
you did">    N0MXS>AUR1 [via LOV*]  <UA (F)>    nomxs says "ok, I
did that in response to your request">    WA5VRL-1>ID  <UI
(Text)>:    wa5vrl-1 broadcast some text>    N0MXS>AUR1 [via LOV*]
<REJ R1>    n0mxs says "I'm missing frame 1 from the bunch you
sent, so    please resend it and all the ones after it."(Note that
all these are via a digipeater 'LOV' which is what themonitoring
station is hearing.)Hope that helps.  You really need a copy of
the protocol if you want tosee the details of what's going on
there.    - Brian------------------------------Date: 6 Sep 92
05:01:29 GMTFrom:
csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]: FTP -> E-Mail
ServerTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (James P. H. Fuller) writes:>
There's another such gateway at decwrl which was still operating
as of>a few months ago.  Send me email if you're interested and
I'll dig up the>address you poke to make decwrl emit its help
message.>>                                                    --
jfSend the following to "[e-mail]" and it'll send
back alist of instructions:    mail [e-mail]
Subject: anything    reply yourid@yoursite    help73,-- Mont
Pierce+----------------------------------------------------------
---------------+| Ham Call: KM6WT             Internet:
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     qth: Fremont, CA       Religion:  Jehovah's Witnesses
9/72
|+---------------------------------------------------------------
----------+------------------------------Date: 6 Sep 1992
05:41:19 GMTFrom:
cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!
cleveland.Freenet.Edu![e-mail]: Real Cheapo
BeginnerTo: [e-mail]  I have an older Radio Shack
1000 which is more or less IBM compatible...Radio Shack does not
seem to have accessoriesto set it up as packet radio...they do
sell one short wavetransceiver (10 meter only) for about
$250......I heardfrom someone recently that I should be able to
getgoing with packet for a total of less than $300....SoI need a
TNC or a used PK232?Is there any mail order that sells this
stuff used orperhaps a newsgroup.thanks.  oh yes I have a novice
license.--             Mike Romano     Univ. Calif.
Berkeley------------------------------Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992
04:29:00 +0000From:
pipex!demon!tedb.demon.co.uk![e-mail]: rsgb gb2rs
news  6th septemberTo: [e-mail] morning. It's
Sunday the 6th of September and here is the GB2RS newsbroadcast,
prepared by the Radio Society of Great Britain.And we start this
week with news of two new beacons which are undergoing teststhis
month:It is proposed to make test transmissions this month of
the RSGB's PropagationService Beacon which has the callsign
GAM1. Tests will commence on Tuesday the8th of September,
between 09.00 and 10.00 and between 19.00 and 20.00 localtime.
The frequency is 3.8123MHz which is just above the UK 80 metre
amateurallocation. The purpose of the test is to ascertain the
service catchment areaand the quality of signal. Listeners are
requested to send reports containing:Date and Time, Location,
Signal Strength and Signal Purity. Reports to be sentto Gwyn
Williams, G4FKH, whose address is correct in the RSGB Call
Book.Should any listeners require more information, a
Self-Addressed StampedEnvelope would be appreciated. Further
details of this new service from theRSGB can be found in the
June 1991 {newsreaders - this is 91, not 92} editionof Radio
Communication.Another new beacon, this time on the 430MHz band,
has become operational.GB3BSL is currently running 50 watts ERP
from Dundry which is 8km south-westof Bristol, locator IO81QJ.
Reports would be appreciated by the Gwent UHFGroup whose beacon
keeper is Frank Evans, GW8AWM, whose address is correct inthe
RSGB Call Book.News now of a change of address for Bob Harrison,
G4UJS, who is the RSGBTrophies Manager, and Shropshire's EMC
Coordinator. His new address is GreenLane House, Whixall,
Shropshire, SY13 2PT.The 1992 Conference of the World
Association of Christian Radio Amateurs andListeners will take
place from Friday the 9th to Sunday the 11th of October,at
Hoddesdon, Herts. Further details can be obtained from G4EZU,
bytelephoning 0474 533686.Now some items of HF DX news from the
weekly RSGB DX News Sheet which isedited by Brendan McCartney,
G4DYO. From Canada, VE3XN is signing VA3200Muntil Monday the
14th of September to mark the bi-centennial of Sir
AlexanderMackenzie's crossing of North America by land. From
Angola, EA7El is signingD2EL until the 15th of September.
Operation is SSB on all bands from 80through to 10 metres
including the WARC bands. From St Pierre and Miquelon,K1RH will
use the callsign FP/K1RH from now until the 15th of
September,mostly on the WARC bands.Rally news now and we know of
four events for today Sunday the 6th.The Bristol Radio Rally is
being held at Brunel's Great Train Shed at BristolOld Station,
Temple Mead. Doors open at 10.30am. There will be the usual
tradestands, a bring and buy stall, club stands, and ATV and
packet radiodemonstrations. Refreshments will be available and
talk-in will be on channelS22.The Milton Keynes and District
Amateur Radio Society Car Boot Rally is beingheld today at
Cranfield Airfield (South Side), Cranfield, Bedfordshire. Tofind
it, take either junction 13 or 14 off the M1 motorway. Talk-in
will be onchannel S22 using the callsign G8MKC.The Preston
Amateur Radio Society Mobile Rally is being held at the
Universityof Lancaster. Doors open at 11.00am, 10.30am for
disabled visitors.There aretrade stands, club and repeater group
stands and a bring and buy stall. Freeparking is available on
campus.The Vange Amateur Radio Society Rally is being held at
the Laindon CommunityCentre, Laindon High Road/Aston Road,
Laindon, Basildon, Essex. The Centre isshort walk from Laindon
BR Station on the Fenchurch-Shoeburyness line.Approach roads
will be signposted and doors open at 10.30am. There will betrade
stands, a bring and buy stall and refreshments. Talk-in will be
onchannel S22.There are three events for next Saturday the 12th
of September.The Ballymena Amateur Radio Rally is to be held at
the Ballee High School.Doors open at 12.00 noon.There will be
the usual trade stands; an RSGBbookstall; QSL bureau; a bring
and buy stand and refreshments. Further detailscan be obtained
from GI4HCN, by telephoning 0266 659769.The RSGB Scottish
National Amateur Radio Clubs Convention will be held at theFife
Institute of Physical and Recreational Education, Viewfield
IndustrialEstate, Glenrothes, Fife. Doors open at 11.00am, 10.30
early entry. Furtherdetails can be obtained from GM4ALA, by
telephoning 0506 410677 day time or0592 742763
evenings/weekend.The Wight Wireless Rally which is to be held at
the National Wireless Museum,Arreton Manor, Newport, Isle of
Wight. Doors open at 11.00am. Further detailsfrom G3KPO, by
telephoning 0983 67665.And there are four further events for
Sunday the 13th.The British Amateur Radio Teledata Group Rally
is to be held at the SandownPark Exhibition Centre, Esher,
Surrey.The location is well signposted and issome 10 minutes
from junction 10 of the M25. Doors open at 10.30am. The
eventfeatures over 250 tables, including top companies, special
interest groups anda bring and buy. Refreshments will be
available and there is a large parkingarea. Talk-in channels are
S22 and SU22. Further details from G8VXY on 021 4532676.The
Lincoln Short Wave Club Hamfest will be held at the
LincolnshireShowground and Exhibition Centre, which is 4 miles
north of Lincoln on the A15road to Scunthorpe. Doors will open
at 10.30am. There will be all the usualtrade stands and large
bring and buy stall. Refreshments will be available andtalk-in
will be on channel S22. Further details can be obtained from
SueMiddleton, by telephoning 0522 531788.The Madley Satellite
Earth Station Amateur Radio Group Radio Car Boot Rally isto be
held at the Sports Ground in the Satellite Earth Station
Complex,located 7 miles south west of Hereford. Gates open at
09.30am. There will beall the normal attractions, including a
bring and buy stand. There is ampleroom for free parking and
picnicking, including a special parking area fordisabled
visitors. Talk-in will be on channel S22 via G7BTI. Further
detailscan be obtained from G4ASR, by telephoning 087 387679.The
Telford Amateur Radio Rally will be held at the Telford
Exhibition Centre,Telford, Shropshire. Doors open at 10.30am.
There will be trade stands, cluband special interest groups
stands and a bring and sell stall. There will besome very large
free car parks and talk-in will be on channel S22 and viaGB3TF
on channel RB8. Further details can be obtained from G7BWQ,
bytelephoning 0952 770922.Contest news now:Tomorrow, Monday the
7th, sees the start of the RSGB QRS Cumulative contests.These
events feature slow Morse and further details can be found in
July'sRadCom. During next weekend the European SSB DX Contest
takes place. SeeAugust's RadCom for details.Now news of special
event stations:The Silverthorn Radio Club will be operating
GB0VHM from the Exhibition ofWireless Through the Ages at the
Vestry House Museum, Walthamstow, North EastLondon, during
Saturday the 12th. Operation will be on the 80, 40, 15 and
10metre Bands, and on 2 metres and 70 centimetres. Further
details can beobtained from G0LWS, by telephoning 081 529 4489
evenings only.The RAFARS will be operating the special event
callsign GB0RAF on the HF bandsand on 2 metres on Saturday the
12th and during the Lincoln Hamfest on Sundaythe 13th.The
Scarborough Special Events Group will be on the air during
Saturday the12th and Sunday the 13th, using the Special callsign
GB40NY to celebrate the40th anniversary of the North York Moors
National Park. Operation will be onthe 80, 40 and 2 metre bands
and 70 centimetre band. A full colour souvenirQSL card will be
issued to commemorate the occasion. Further details can
beobtained from Roy Clayton, G4SSH, whose address and telephone
is correct inthe current RSGB Call BookThe Phoenix Amateur Radio
and Novices Society will be running a stall at theTelford Rally
on Sunday the 13th. They will operate the Callsign
GB0NOV.Celebrations of the Centenary of Southend's Town Charter
on the 19th ofSeptember will include a procession featuring the
Lord Mayor of London.Southend and District Amateur Radio Society
will run two HF stations and oneon 2 metres using GB100SBC. The
club would like contacts with anyone with aconnection with the
town and with other towns called Southend. Furtherinformation
from Brian Wood, G4RDS, on 0702 232322. On Sunday the 13th
ofSeptember.North London Raynet will be operating GB2RAY from
the 999 Emergency ServicesExhibition in Victoria Park, London,
E9. Visitors to the station will be mostwelcome.And now the
solar factual data:This week due to the holiday we are short of
some data, but for the period24th to the 27th August, with the
quiet side of the sun looking our way, solaractivity dropped to
very low levels. There were no M or X flares reported.
Thesunspot counts have declined considerably and were only 35 on
the 25th, withthe mean count for the period being only 44. The
solar flux levels have alsodeclined to below what was expected,
and averaged only 96 units, with littlechange day to day. The
geomagnetic activity has been unsettled most of thetime with the
Ap indices averaging 12 units for the period. The state has
beennil, nothing to report, throughout the period. The radio
quality indicesrecovered somewhat from the very low levels of
last week, but have still notreached normal levels. The aa
indices, as supplied by the British GeologicalSurvey for the
period 18th to 24th August, were at very unsettled levels,
withthe daily average for the week being at 38 nanoTeslas.
However during theaurora on the night of the 23rd, levels
increased to 171 nanoTeslas which isequal to a level of K7. The
overall picture of cycle 22 in month 71 is thatnow it is
declining very rapidly. A small increase in activity may occur
inthe September to October time frame but after that we expect a
decline to theminimum which is due in mid 1996.Now the
ionospheric data for England and Wales:The F2 daytime critical
frequencies at Slough, as reported by Appleton,averaged 7.2MHz
with peak times now being about 19 to 20.00 hours. Thedarkness
hour lows averaged 2.7MHz, with the minimum times being around
04.00hours. There has been some spread F most days and a little
other phenomenon.Now the ionospheric data for the north:The F2
daytime critical frequencies at Irkutsk averaged 6.2MHz and
thedarkness hour lows 2.8MHz. A solar data beacon is now
operating with CW on10.142MHz using the call DK0WCY, it issues
solar data appertaining to theprevious day together with a
forecast every 5 minutes.And lastly the solar forecast:This
week, the active side of the sun will be rotating away and solar
fluxlevels are expected to be about the 120s. Geomagnetic
activity is expected tobe just unsettled. Ionospheric MUFs are
expected to reach 24MHz duringdaylight, and 18MHz in the
darkness hours. North/south paths will be best, but14 or 10MHz
could give east/west paths near midnight.And that is the end of
the solar information.Finally in the main news, the licence
issuing agency, SSL, has informed theSociety that as of last
Wednesday morning, the latest callsigns issued were inthe G0 S J
and G7 N P series, and Novice calls in the 2 0 A Delta and2 1 B
B series.You're listening to GB2RS, the news broadcasting
service of the Radio Societyof Great Britain, transmitting in
the 80, 40, 6 and 2 metre
bands.------------------------------Date: 5 Sep 1992 14:19:05
GMTFrom: ucsd.edu![e-mail]: Shutdown
protest??To: [e-mail]> There was a message on the
local PBBS's that one of the groups in our area> (Phoenix, AZ)
is going to shut down all their BBS's, nodes, etc. over> the
Labor Day weekend to protest the ARRL position on unattended>
forwarding. They seem to think this will "send a strong message
to the> ARRL".Golly, do you think anyone will even notice?
Messages traversing theham packet network often sit at a
forwarding site for longer than thatin ordinary operation.I
mean, if people shut down forwarding for a MONTH, maybe we'd
notice adrop in traffic (mostly fewer 'radio for sale in New
Jersey' notes),but anything less than that isn't going to be
noticed.And by that time we'd have routed around the downed HF
forwarders.Not to say that HF forwarding isn't moving traffic -
it does.  But likea dog walking on its hind legs, it doesn't do
it very well.  We reallyneed to come up with something better.    -
Brian------------------------------Date: 5 Sep 1992 23:12:15
-0700From: [e-mail]: TCPIP in Germany
Users BANNEDTo: [e-mail] all again.Seems the
problems inGermany with TCPIP users is again getting worseUsers
are being banned locked out and generaly abused in Germany. I
haveagain  for the N.th thime this past weeks been Banned my
self, Hi HiI operate in the Rhein Mainz area, the worst for
Black listing TCPIPoperators.  It really has not stopped me
operating at all, i simplyre-routed the IP via another host on
the same Digi.I have Emailed My tcpip co-ordinator about this
problem in the past andagain recently, His responce in the past
has been Im going to do nothingand in the present He seems to
prefer the If i ignore the problem it mightvanish. Not realy
good enought is it.In the past year i have had mails with very
offensive nature with all sorts ofthreats. well there are some
Hams like this in Germany Unfortunatly,In the north of Germany
TCPIP operation is very much suppressed and itsspreading
south.Thanks to you that replied to my Request for info about
simular action againstTCPIP users in Europe, I revieved many
such cases of Users bein Banned Lockedout of Netroms and digis,
However None of the TCPIP users that i know who havebeen sent
abusive mail and have been Locked out of digi's would actualy
admitto haveing a problem. I know that most users have been
intimated to the extentof actualy being removed of their
License.  I was told by one sysop that thisis what he would do,
to me.. as if he has this power . Hi Hi.Ok. I am asking any of
the Leagal Buffs out there, What do you sujest ?If this problem
existed in the USA what action would you take ?For the local
readers of this Group in Germany the path to DC0HK.ampr.orgis
now routed via DB0ODW [be it the sysop has locked me out] I have
arp routevia 44.130.24.100 or arp route via 44.130.24.78 and arp
route via 44.130.42.3this is enough to keep All links going at
normal through-put ;-))Digis that have sysops that lockout
users:DB0ODW DB0ZDF DB0SPC-8 DB0MAV [ can some update the list
from the north please]there are now many more these are just a
few as Bad examples.So again WHAT ARE >you<  going to do about
this type of action here in GermanyTCPIP is not going to Vanish
over night, and the Bad sysop policys are goingto increase,
unless >You< stand up and do something about it. and not
justleave it all to the few Who do!!.  Think about it.!Barry
[the black listed criminal hi hi]   44.130..24.71 and other
IP'sDC0HK/G8SAU/GM8SAU.------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #242******************************Date:
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Digest V92 #243To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
7 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 243Today's Topics:
 Beginners question: How to get started ?                   How
do I get an AMPR IP address?                          Intro to
Packet?!                    Looking for Gracilis software
                 signoff packet-radio
What is packet radio?                    Where to find Graphic
Packet?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
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<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
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personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 7 Sep 1992 04:02:34 -0500From:
sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!wuarchive.wustl.edu!hp48sx@networ
k.UCSD.EDUSubject: Beginners question: How to get started ?To:
[e-mail],I am living in Denmark in Europe, and as
I may loose internet accesssome time in the future I would be
intyerested in ham radio conection.How do you get started ?
Where is the traffic going on ? How do I get incontact with
routers, gets Internet address ? ....is there a FAQ ?-- Povl H.
Pedersen             [e-mail]48sx archive
maintainerAll Opinions (C) Copyright the Intergalactic Thought
Association------------------------------Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992
22:07:42 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!psinntp!psinntp!wrldlnk!usenet
@network.UCSD.EDUSubject: How do I get an AMPR IP address?To:
[e-mail]'ve been on packet for quite a while now
but am just about to start playing with TCP/IP.  Can anyone
point me in the right direction to get an IP address?I know
there are supposed to be regional coordinators but have no idea
howto find out who they are.Any info would be appreciated.
Please respond via email.Thanks,
Seth------------------------------Date: 6 Sep 92 04:46:00
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!nuchat!xcluud!dad
stoy!unkaphaed![e-mail]: Intro to
Packet?!To: [e-mail] would like to enter the world
of amateur radio.I have an Icom 2SRA and an IBM, I would like to
purchase a TNC that would be able to do VHF/ and HF, plus (not
only Packet) but other things such as RTTY or Fax.Does anyone
have any suggestions?Thanks. Guy
[e-mail][e-mail] (Guy
Shechter)Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, [phone] in Houston,
Texas1200/2400/9600/14400
v.32bis/v.42bis------------------------------Date: 1 Sep 92
06:19:48 GMTFrom:
atha!aupair.cs.athabascau.ca!sigyn.cs.athabascau.ca![e-mail]
c.comSubject: Looking for Gracilis softwareTo:
[e-mail]'ve just made several attempts to download
grac9208.exe and grac9208.zipoff the Gracilis BBS but seem to
get dumped off their system midwaythrough the transfer.  Are
these files available for FTP anywhere?  Theyare dated Aug 15
and seem to be the latest version for the PackeTwin
package.Thanks in advance.--Ron Haukenfrers        VE6RWH
*********[e-mail]                    **********                               .
     ****Athabasca University     Educational Computing Services
..      ****P.O. Box 10 000                         ....     ****Athabasca, AB
CANADA    [phone]            ..........****----------------------------
--Date: 6 Sep 1992 05:28:07 -0700From:
[e-mail]: signoff packet-radioTo:
[e-mail]
packet-radio------------------------------Date: 7 Sep 92
06:28:32 GMTFrom:
bonnie.concordia.ca!daily-planet.concordia.ca![e-mail]
ject: What is packet radio?To: [e-mail]
everyone,I have been a Usenet news reader for 1 years now.
During reading news fromother newsgroups, sometime I heard about
packet radio but not in detail.I have several questions about
packet radio and what it can do. I hope some one from this
newsgroup can give me an answer or point me to the FAQfile. 1)
What is packet radio ?2) Can someone use packet radio to read,
or post Usenet news ?3) What about email, telnet or rlogin ? Is
it possible ?4) What kind of equipment is need to get into
packet radio ?   IBM-PC ? DOS/UNIX ? MODEM ? RADIO ?5) How much
will it cost (minimun) ?6) Where can I find a source for
newsfeed ? Is there any money involve for   newsfeed ?I will
finished my study at the university soon and then I will lost
accessto Usenet. I am following alt.unix.bsd newsgroup and I
don't want to lossthe access after finishing my study. 7) I may
move to Toronto or Montreal or Hong Kong. Is it possible to use
 packet radio to access newsgroup at these cities ? 8) Please
also point me to a FAQ as
well.Thanks![e-mail]------------------------------
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:47:08 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!news.funet
.fi!funic!nntp.hut.fi!nntp![e-mail]:
Where to find Graphic Packet?To: [e-mail]
anybody know where to find Graphic Packet by DH1DAE?I have
checked all the Internet FTP-sites I know of but haven'thad any
luck. If somebody has it could he/she upload it to someanonymous
FTP-site and inform the rest of us about it.Thanks in advance.73
de Tomi
OH2BNS-----------------------------------------------------------
---Tomi-Pekka Manninen             Email:
[e-mail]2BNS                          Packet:
[e-mail]---------------------------------------------
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Digest V92 #243******************************Date: Tue,  8 Sep
92 04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #244To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
8 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 244Today's Topics:
    Best 9600 baud modem for PK-232 ??                   Grace
DSP Unit For Sale (2 msgs)                  Non-introductory
books on packet?                        What is packet
radio?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
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<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 7 Sep 1992 08:36:14 -0700From:
[e-mail]: Best 9600 baud modem for
PK-232 ??To: [e-mail]'m looking for feedback from
people out there who have experiencewith 9600 baud modems.I want
to purchase a 9600 baud modem to place inside my PK-232
thatwould work with a Yaesu FT-2400 2 Meter xcvr.Any suggestions
??RichWB2JBSrharel@fab8%sc.intel.com-----------------------------
-Date: 8 Sep 92 03:21:15 GMTFrom:
csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]: Grace DSP Unit
For SaleTo: [e-mail] is the L.L. Grace DSP-12
Multi-Mode Communications DSP universal packet modem.  The
DSP-12 supports HP packet, RTTY, ASCII, VHF packet, PSK
satellite telemetry.  Specs include: - Motorola DSP56001 DSP
processor - PC Compatible Architecture (on-board PC) - Serial
Interface (110 to 19200 bps) - 12-bit conversion - 3 analog
radio connectors - Built-in packet mailbox - Open Programming
ArchitectureThe unit is mint and in new condition.  All of the
options were purchased with the unit - One megabyte expansion
option, day/date option, eight channel A-to-D Telemetry option,
and power module.  List price of $800.00 and asking $510.00.Call
Joe at 312.856.3645 or 708.356.6817
eve------------------------------Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:39:14
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!mojo.eng.umd.edu!disney.s
rc.umd.edu![e-mail]: Grace DSP Unit For
SaleTo: [e-mail] article <q#[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Joseph Jesson) writes:>This is the L.L. Grace
DSP-12 Multi-Mode Communications DSP universal >packet modem.
The DSP-12 supports HP packet, RTTY, ASCII, VHF packet, >PSK
satellite telemetry.  Specs include:Tell us Joe, what was it
like using the DSP-12?  Did you use itfor PSK satellite?  What
are your feelings about it (you can waittill ya sell it if its
anything bad of course!)de
N3HAU------------------------------Date: 8 Sep 1992 01:16:59
GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!aio!norm![e-mail]:
Non-introductory books on packet?To: [e-mail]  I
have been using 2m packet for a while now, and after
muchexperimentation have managed to figure out the basics.  I've
comeacross any number of books on "How to get started in packet
radio",usually spending 5 chapters explaining the history, What
is a TNC,What License Do I Need, etc.   One or two chapters will
explain howto make a local contact in painstaking detail.  Then,
at the end,there will be one paragraph on ROSE, one paragraph on
Net/ROM, andusually nothing on TCP/IP or BPQ.  Could someone
refer me to a book that explains the packet *network*and high-
and low-level protocols in detail?  So far I have seen
severalpeople mention how to get info on the AX.25 protocol from
ARRL, butno one has mentioned anything else.  I really want a
*single source*for all this information, rather than having to
build a whole libraryof one-chapter-of-this-book,
one-chapter-of-that-book.  For example,I have never even figured
out what all the columns of informationreturned from a "routes"
command on a Net/ROM site mean. A decentreference that skips the
introductory blather would be welcome.-- | Keith Mancus
<[e-mail]>                         ||
         N5WVR
||  "If I owned Texas and I owned Hell, I'd rent out Texas and
live       ||  in Hell." -General Sheridan
                    |------------------------------Date: 7 Sep
92 12:24:39 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv![e-mail]
Subject: What is packet radio?To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Joseph K. K. Yau) writes:>I have been a Usenet news reader for
1 years now. During reading news from>other newsgroups, sometime
I heard about packet radio but not in detail.>I have several
questions about packet radio and what it can do. I hope >some
one from this newsgroup can give me an answer or point me to the
FAQ>file. I'm posting this answer since more than one person has
posted similarrequests today.>1) What is packet radio ?Packet
radio is a method of transmitting digital data via radio.
Itsends information in "packets", or short bursts, and then
waits foran acknowledgement. This is known as an ARQ protocol.
There is acheck sequence in each packet that allows the receiver
to determineif a transmission error has occurred. The system
works somewhat likean Xmodem file transfer in that it resends
packets that aren't positivelyacknowledged. In addition, each
frame has an address header that identifiesthe sender and the
intended receipent. Unlike telephone transfers, packetis used on
shared broadcast channels so some means of identifying thesender
and receiver of each frame is required. Packet radio, as it is
usually practiced, is a half duplex system. Thecommon speed is
1200 baud. But because it is half duplex, and becauseit is a
stop and wait for acknowledgement protocol with
considerableoverhead in each frame, it's thruput is considerably
less than a common1200 baud telephone connection. Real direct
point to point connectionsgenerally have an effective thruput of
less than 300 bps. There arefaster systems available, 9600 baud
and 56 kilobaud, but they aren'tin common use yet. These are all
VHF/UHF systems with limited range.At shortwave, the baud rate
is restricted to 300 baud or slower, andthe thruput is very low,
though the range can be worldwide.Packets are often relayed
through other user's stations to extendrange. Normally each
relay step will halve effective thruput. Pathswith more than
four relay steps are generally unusable.>2) Can someone use
packet radio to read, or post Usenet news ?Yes and no. *Amateur*
radio has content restrictions and third partyrestrictions that
limit it's usefulness for Usenet access. No commercialcontent,
and no profane or indecent language can be transmitted. In
practice this means that a gateway station must manually screen
traffic*from* the Usenet. Traffic sent *to* the Usenet is the
responsibilityof the amateur sending the traffic and places less
of a burden on thegateway operator. Third party rules are also a
problem. Internationalmessages for or from a third person can't
be passed between amateur stations, except if the countries
involved have international third party agreements. There are
only a limited number of countries that have such agreements
with the United States. This is only an issueif the amateur
stations involved are in separate countries.>3) What about
email, telnet or rlogin ? Is it possible ?All of this is
possible, with the same restrictions listed above forgeneral
Usenet news access. No commercial use, no profanity, andno
international third party messages except where authorized.
Thegenerally slow speed of packet makes interactive usage
painful inmost cases. Use of 56 kilobaud systems, however, is
nearly as goodas a wireline 19.2 kb connection. Even interactive
editors areeasily used under these circumstances.>4) What kind
of equipment is need to get into packet radio ?>   IBM-PC ?
DOS/UNIX ? MODEM ? RADIO ?In the simplest case, a terminal, or
terminal emulator program, aTNC (Terminal Node Controller), and
a radio are all that is requiredto become active on packet. Most
users prefer more sophisticatedsoftware with a PC of some sort.
The KA9Q TCP/IP software for exampleis available for DOS, Mac,
and Unix systems.>5) How much will it cost (minimun) ?This is
highly variable. A (free) junked terminal, a used TNC ($70),and
a surplus radio ($50) can get you on packet. Or, you can
spendmuch more for new PCs, TNCs, and radios. The average price
for newequipment, excluding the PC, is in the $500 to $700
range. In the most advanced cases, some of us use Sun
workstations and 56 kb RF modems, you could spend several
thousand dollars, most of that forthe workstation. A 56 kb RF
modem costs $250 and a transverter toshift it to a UHF frequency
costs between $150 and $350. Then thereare antennas, feedlines,
power supplies, etc for any of the abovecombinations.>6) Where
can I find a source for newsfeed ? Is there any money involve
for>   newsfeed ?It's illegal to charge money for any amateur
radio activity. Finding someone local to give you a feed may be
difficult as few hams aregatewaying the Usenet to amateur
radio.>7) I may move to Toronto or Montreal or Hong Kong. Is it
possible to use>   packet radio to access newsgroup at these
cities ? Amateur radio laws, and activity, vary from country to
country. Canadahas more liberal rules than the US. I can't
advise about Hong Kong.If all this sounds negative, it is.
Amateur packet radio is fairly new, in a constant state of flux,
and is saddled with many outdated regulations and practices.
It's basically an experimental service at present with much hope
for the future, but little current practical use for people
needing either high speed or high volume service. Ifyou want to
be a ground floor developer, it's wonderful, but if youhave a
current practical communications need, I'd suggest the
telephonenetwork. Finding a dialup Usenet feed is not
difficult.Gary KE4ZV------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #244******************************Date:
Wed,  9 Sep 92 04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #245To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
9 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 245Today's Topics:
                  (none)                   Grace DSP Unit For
Sale (2 msgs)                       MFJ 1274 on packet/WEFAX
                  Packet-Radio Digest V92                 Packet
Package for Apple 2 (2 msgs)                          PBBS for
the Mac?                          Piccolo and Clover
            RFI problem (4 msgs)
SAREX/STS-47 Kepler Question              several questions re:
TNCs, HF modes, etc.                   Starting off in packet
radio...Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
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intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 8 Sep 1992 23:34:49 -0700From:
[e-mail]: (none)To:
[e-mail]: from wb7tpy by wb7tpy (Tcp/Ip
Gate) with SMTP    id AA1889 ; Tue, 08 Sep 92 22:17:35 MSTDate: 09
Sep 92 05:12:00 UTCMessage-Id: <1883@wb7tpy>From:
[e-mail]: [e-mail]: Shutdown
Protest--From PHX...X-BBS-Msg-Type: PR:920909/0512Z
@:N7MRP.AZ.USA.NA [AzNet Lan Network-Phx,Az-Hub] #:10808
Z:85016From: [e-mail]  :
[e-mail]:[e-mail] All,
 I am the Director of the Association that decided to pull the
plug overthe labor day weekend.  I must make some corrections
which were entailed in a bulletin to the local area....I'll
point out below...     >Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:17:01 GMT>From:
spsgate!mogate!newsgate![e-mail]>Subject: Shutdown
protest??>To: [e-mail]>>Greetings all...>>There was
a message on the local PBBS's that one of the groups in our
area>(Phoenix, AZ) is going to shut down all their BBS's, nodes,
etc. over>the Labor Day weekend to protest the ARRL position on
unattended>forwarding. They seem to think this will "send a
strong message to the>ARRL".>>Seems kinda stupid to me. Seems
like they will be only proving that the>world can get along just
fine without packet forwarding, which I would >think is exactly
the opposite of what they want to show.>>Is this a widespread
protest this weekend or just an isolated group?>>73....    Mark
 KG7JLThe purpose of the Association shutting down the systems
were for 3 ofthe following most important reasons:1. NOT TO
PUNISH the ARRL-  Yet to "WAKE UP" the end user that sits back
andtakes the wait and see attitude until it is too late...Well
folks,  this isexactly what happened....The ARRL put out a
questionaire in the QST and hardlyany of the normal users of
such networks responded...even worse,  some of ourSTA folks
didn't respond....We MUST TELL the ARRL what we want....We were
awareof the ARRL's change of mind before the "blackout",
however,  we figured thatif we decided to not do it,  well the
end user will most likely say "well lookslike it's under
control,  nothing for me to do now"  I must personally
say"WRONG"...This is just like our political government...If we
DON'T VOTE we don't get what we want!2. This was more of a
simulation as to what would happen if our STA stationswere
placed under the constraint that the ARRL digital committie has
proposed.So with a dent in that traffic flow,  alternate land
SLOW 1200 BAUD routes mustbe taken to get to that DX
DESTINATION....Often being either lost or taking several days to
arrive...3. To show OUR SUPPORT TO HF STA SYSOPS who work to see
traffic MOVE!So far reaction has been positive....I must
honestly say,  there are those thatstill think we were wrong,
however we are in America and your entitled to yourown
opinion...In the future I certainly hope that we don't have to
come acrossthings like this again....and just to close and say
again "THIS BLACKOUT WAS NOT TO PUNISH THE ARRL ORMAKE ANY
STATEMENT TO THEM---Simply for the END-USER!"73 de Dan
N7MRPPACKET:  [e-mail] via Internet:  GATE @
WB7TPY.AMPR.ORG    1st Line of TEXT:
Packet:[e-mail]
------------------------------Date: 8 Sep 92 11:52:19 GMTFrom:
pipex!warwick!uknet!uos-ee!ee.surrey.ac.uk![e-mail]
ubject: Grace DSP Unit For SaleTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:|> In article
<q#[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Jesson)
writes:|> |> >This is the L.L. Grace DSP-12 Multi-Mode
Communications DSP universal |> >packet modem.  The DSP-12
supports HP packet, RTTY, ASCII, VHF packet, |> >PSK satellite
telemetry.  Specs include:|> |> Tell us Joe, what was it like
using the DSP-12?  Did you use it|> for PSK satellite?  What are
your feelings about it (you can wait|> till ya sell it if its
anything bad of course!)|> |> de N3HAUI wish I had the money
right now. These things are over $1000 equivalent in the UKand
that is for the basic
model!Mike------------------------------Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92
01:09:00 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]:
Grace DSP Unit For SaleTo: [e-mail], the
DSP-12 is extremely well made and housed in a structured
aluminum housing.  As far as the performance of the built-in
modems go, I really have not tested them (I purchased the dSP-12
as a DSP software development system but never had time to use).
 --joe------------------------------Date: 8 Sep 92 18:21:33
GMTFrom: psinntp!ncrlnk!ncrclm![e-mail]: MFJ
1274 on packet/WEFAXTo: [e-mail] be helping get
a friend going on packet (packetcluster - tm) thisweekend with
his new MFJ 1274 turbo.  He also wants to receive
WEFAXtransmissions -- he bought the starter kit from MFJ (but I
don't knowwhat that includes -- software??).  Can anyone give me
advice on bestfrequencies, times, and software for WEFAX? We are
located in SouthCarolina...tnx! 73, Tom WB4IUX--
------------------------------Date: 8 Sep 1992 09:25:47
-0700From: [e-mail]: Packet-Radio
Digest V92To: [e-mail], can somebody email me
information about software distribution by radiocommunication.
IBM is said to use sattelites for distributing it's software?
You can also mail it to me : Lode Goukens  Nachtegaalstraat 26
B-2060 Antwerp Belgium (phone [phone]) Thanks in
advance.------------------------------Date: 8 Sep 92 17:51:33
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet
.ucs.indiana.edu!newshost.cs.rose-hulman.edu![e-mail]
USubject: Packet Package for Apple 2To:
[e-mail] anyone know of a place to ftp a apple
2 packet program?This is to be used by WX3O to put up a station
in Illinois.Any info for apple 2 packet would be helpful. Send
E-Mail to me for any  answers.TNX Joe Julicher--Joseph Julicher
at Rose-Hulman Institute of
[e-mail] Engineering
Major------------------------------Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992
22:08:05 GMTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!manuel!sserve!csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au![e-mail]
.EDUSubject: Packet Package for Apple 2To:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 8 Sep
1992 10:54:01 -0700From: [e-mail]: PBBS
for the Mac?To: [e-mail]'ve found KISS, TCP/IP,
and terminal software for the Mac, but sofar not a BBS program.
Can anyone recommend one, along with an FTPsource?  Many thanks,
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Tue, 8 Sep
1992 17:12:21 GMTFrom:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!stanford.edu!CSD-NewsHost.S
tanford.EDU!umunhum![e-mail]: Piccolo and
CloverTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:>That, of course, is the problem with any
amplitude modulated signal. The>trick, as always, is to arrange
for the symbol times to be different from the>characteristic
fading times of the channel. If the symbol time is
dramatically>longer or shorter than the characteristic fading
time, then distinguishing>real symbols from channel conditions
is possible.Yes, that's how CLOVER handles fades; a symbol rate
of 200 bauds or less willbe immune to 90% of all fades
(Wiesner).  >I shouldn't be telling you how to suck eggs, you're
the expert here,>but I'd think that the kinds of post processing
used on weak space>signals should also work with Clover or any
other modem modulation >scheme.CLOVER uses a Reed  - Solomon
Error Correcting Code; I'm not sure whichcode or how much
redundancy is built in, but with RS, you can get one heck ofa
lot of coding gain for a very small percentage of overhead.There
was a blurbish article in _CQ_ a few months ago about CLOVER; it
wouldbe a Good Thing if the folks involved would publish more
details.---=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX/5W1JX  | "What a difference an
hour can make."->[e-mail]          |        -- Vernor
Vinge------------------------------Date: 8 Sep 92 14:14:11
GMTFrom: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!world![e-mail]:
RFI problemTo: [e-mail] have a Kantronics DVR 2-2
and a KAM (and a Mac II, but I haven'tgotten that far yet).
When I set the DVR 2-2 to 145.01, I can hearpackets, plenty
strong I think.  As soon as I turn on the KAM, I getroaring,
whining, LOUD RFI, and the packets get swamped.  Please
help;I've grounded the universe, and use short shielded cables
for everything.What else can I do?  -- Stevens R. Miller,
J.D.        E-mail to
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 8 Sep 92
23:41:22 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!nscf!wa4phy![e-mail]: RFI
problemTo: [e-mail] all else fails, ignore what
everybody says and what you read aboutgrounding and bonding, and
disconnect them ALL.  I have found that sometimes, a poorly
designed ground is worse than none, and with the design of the
DVR 2-2 and Kam, there really isn't any.  The only othersolution
would be to acquire some ferrite donuts, and get as many wrapson
the donut with the rs-233 AND audio cables.  If that fails to
reduceor eliminate it, sell the kam and buy a Tapr Clone (or a
real tapr2) ifyou can find one :-)  Of course, you couldn't play
amtor/fax/whateverelse, but then a TNC is supposed to be for
packet!--     Sam Drinkard        internet:
[e-mail]    WA4PHY            amprnet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Wed, 9
Sep 1992 02:30:26 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!l
inac!att!cbnewsc!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com![e-mail]
Subject: RFI problemTo: [e-mail]'s how I delt
with RFI in my packet station:I used _long_ (like 20 feet or
more) lengths of shielded cable between theTNC and radio.  Also
placed the antenna about 25 feet overhead from theroom with
station (up on the roof).  I also used _seperate_ power
suppliesto drive the radio and the TNC.  You might be able to
tweak the TNCs xtal oscillator(s) to move a harmonicoff the
receive frequency (145.01 in your case), if the above
suggestionisn't workable (like no access to a roof).  Of course,
you'll trash anotherfrequency, but that might be acceptable for
your purposes (not a highquality solution,
though).=========================================================
=================Question: Are banana peels considered hazardous
waste (after all, someonecould slip on it and
fall)?------------------------------Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992
06:26:11 GMTFrom: sgi!wdl1!wdl1![e-mail]: RFI
problemTo: [e-mail] don't say what you are using
for the RF side of things.  Get yourantenna as far away from the
Terminal equipment as is reasonable.  Like20 feet at a minimum,
outside the house on the other side of walls(with foil
insulation or stucco wire in then is even better).  Most ofall
succomb to trying HTs sitting on the monitor, I for one have
neverbeen able to make close proximity between RF and terminal
work.  ForREAL strong locals, I have had moderate success with a
mobile mag mount1/4 wave antenna stuck on a file cabinet about
12-15 feet (limit of coax)away from terminal work.Good Luck,
Dave-- David Engle, KE6ZE - [e-mail] -
408/473-4419 @ work Facts, what facts?  I don't got to show you
no stinking facts.  These are opinions expressed here.
------------------------------Date: 8 Sep 92 15:36:21 GMTFrom:
LEON.NRCPS.ARIADNE-T.GR![e-mail]:
SAREX/STS-47 Kepler QuestionTo: [e-mail]  I am
getting ready for a try to connect to Columbia (STS-47)via
packet radio. I use an old program to plot satelliteorbits, it's
called GRAFTRAK II and requires CGA and 8087.  When entering
keplerian elements, it prompts for "Orbit Base" withthe options
of "perigee" and "equator". Given that the orbitis a low
eccentricity one, which otpion should I use?  I use the
Keplerian elements published in Space News,Sept. 7, 1992 by
N5QWL and KK6YB.  Please answer by e-mail only, to this address:
  [e-mail] I have no regular access to
Usenet News.Thanks and 73Costas Krallis  SV1XVE-Mail:
[e-mail]:  SV1XV @
SV1IW.ATH.GRC.EUS-Mail:  P.O.Box 3066, GR-11364 Athens,
GREECE------------------------------Date: 8 Sep 92 19:51:40
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!um
n.edu!noc.msc.net!uc.msc.edu!apctrc!wsc![e-mail]
ct: several questions re: TNCs, HF modes, etc.To:
[e-mail], as the title suggests, I do in fact
have several questions that I'mrolling into one
posting....first, if I've heard correctly, there is some problem
with getting HostMode software for some of the DSP-based packet
gear (AEA is the one I wastold about).  if anyone is interested
in mailing (contact me first in caseI've already gotten a
volunteer) a copy (e-mail, snail mail, whatever) ofthe
specifications for this particular Host Mode protocol, I would
bevery interested in adapting KAMterm (the shareware Host Mode
terminalprogram for Kantronics TNCs I just put out) to support
other Host protocols,as well (in most cases, this should be
quite simple).now, on to more interesting things!  :-)  I've
been hearing an unfamiliarmode of operation in the AMTOR freqs
on 20m since I got up on AMTOR, andhave yet to figure out what
it is.  it sounds like a cross between ARQ modeand FEC mode ---
roughly 1 second long bursts of what sounds like FEC, apause,
and another burst.  then, the station switches roles (I
assume),and starts sending very short bursts (still sounds like
FEC) at roughly1 second intervals.anybody have any idea what
this mode of operation is?  I tend to hear ittoward the upper
regions of the AMTOR freqs (usually between 14.075 and14.082),
not that this really means anything....next question:  does
anyone know if the Kantronics All Mode (KAM) can copythis?
anyone know if it can actually work this mode?thanks.....
--jim\input std_disclaimer                     % 73 DE N5IAL
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ate: 7 Sep 92 14:39:40 GMTFrom:
mcsun!uknet!gdt!aber![e-mail]: Starting off in
packet radio...To: [e-mail] am very interested in
getting into packet radio. I currently don't havean amateur
license but am studying towards this at the moment. However,
Iknow relatively little about packet radio and general radio
equipment. Ifsomeone could either point me in the direction of
useful info on thisor take the trouble to tell me something
about it, I would be grateful.I am particularly interested in
info relating to the kind of servicesavailable via packet, the
price of packet and ordinary radio kit andthe kind of things
that actually can/can't be done via packet.Apologies if this is
rather a newbie question, but then I am somewhatof a
newbie.Grim...Oh yes, I would mainly welcome info from people in
the UK as things likeregulations and price  is probably
different elsewhere, however any relevantinfo would really
help.--
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----------Date: (null)From: (null)I am also interested in packet
stuff to make use of my apple IIc. I would beglad to hear of
anything around that I could ftp (or even RE-TYPE!) to usethe
old IIc.Thanks to all out there.Phil Clark [VK1PC]
Department of Computer Science,     Phone:
     Australian Defence Force Academy,   [phone]Email:
                 Northcott Drive, Campbell,
Fax:[e-mail]   Canberra, Australia, 2600.
  [phone]------------------------------End of
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          Baycom modem and TCP/IP
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-----------Date: 9 Sep 1992 07:29:11 -0700From:
[e-mail]: Baycom modem and TCP/IPTo:
[e-mail] found a file at UCSD.EDU called
TFPCX.ZIP, under TCP/IP and BAYCOM.The document with it is in
German, and I unfortunately, am not fluent in Germanbut I am
guessing that this is a TSR so make the Baycom modem appear to
bea TNC is KISS mode.  This would lead me to think that I could
run TCP/IP,with perhaps GRINOS, with the Baycom modem.  Does
anyone out there know ifI am on the right track, or only
wishfully thinking?  My configurationfor packet is currently a
Baycom modem with Baycom 1.5, but I have beenlooking at the
GRINOS version (PA0GRI NOS) for TCP/IP.  Any helpers orat leat
clues would be appreciated. Thanks.Carty Ellis KA2YCellis at
brockvma (bitnet)cellis at brock1p
(bitnet)------------------------------Date: 10 Sep 1992 00:59:10
-0700From: [e-mail]: TNC-2 Release ?To:
[e-mail] all packeters,First:I have Release
1.1.6 on my TNC2(TINY-2 10/18/88  32k ram  UK Siskin Electronics
)whith personal BBS.But, i need manual for some differents
commands :PERSIST, PPERSIST, PIDCHECK, SLOTTIME, STATUS,
TXUIFRAM,3RDPARTY, CWID, CWTLG, CWLEN, CWIDTEXT, KISSWhere can i
found it?(i have only manual for 1.1.5)Second :When monitor is
ON, nodes traffic willcause dammages on my terminal, because
some word in the packethave the bit 8 to hight.The TNC don't
filter this bit and transmit to my terminal a codewithout this
bit.expl : bell char is $07 (in ASCII), when on the air there is
a $87, i havea 'beep' on my terminal because it receive a
$07.Others chars would broken my terminal configuration...
andthe MF commands (filter) would only cut chars from $00 to $7F
....What can i do ?Third :Where can i found Release 1.1.7 for
TNC2 or clones ?(I have already found TAPR Release 1.1.8 on
UCSD.EDU)Many thanks for all informations.--
                                              ----   Frederic
FC1JSO    |   Internet: [e-mail]    --    From
Paris in France  |   Ham packet: [e-mail]--

--------------------------------Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 23:56:51
GMTFrom:
news.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!ddsw1!serveme!uumeme![e-mail]
D.EDUSubject: What Type?To: [e-mail], I am new
to all radio except cb.  I hear all these hams and other
peoplethat are really into this stuff, and..well, I'd like to
get into it too.  I'veseen tons of different types of radios,
like ham, satalite, tv, packet, etc. I don't know which does
which and which is the best.  I would like to knowis there is a
"universal" type of radio system that can communicate with
alldifferent types of radio.  If not I would like to know which
one can go the farthest and has best reception.  I really dont
think one of those giantantennas on top of my house are what I
want, so how about a compact satallitesystem.  And while I'm at
it I might bring up, I am affiliated with a detective agency
who's is looking for a new way to communicate over long
distances by radio.  I would like to know what is the best way
to do this.Also, whatever type of radio I get into, I will be
needing a tutor, anyvolenteers?                    Justin M.
Rapacz                    ([e-mail])                    UUMEMEM Public Access
Unix                    Chicago, Illinois------------------------------End of
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-----------DATE: 9 SEP 1992 07:29:11 -0700FROM:
[e-mail]: BAYCOM MODEM AND TCP/IPTO:
[e-mail] FOUND A FILE AT UCSD.EDU CALLED
TFPCX.ZIP, UNDER TCP/IP AND BAYCOM.THE DOCUMENT WITH IT IS IN
GERMAN, AND I UNFORTUNATELY, AM NOT FLUENT IN GERMANBUT I AM
GUESSING THAT THIS IS A TSR SO MAKE THE BAYCOM MODEM APPEAR
TOBEA TNC IS KISS MODE.  THIS WOULD LEAD ME TO THINK THAT I
COULD RUN TCP/IP,WITH PERHAPS GRINOS, WITH THE BAYCOM MODEM.
DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOWIFI AM ON THE RIGHT TRACK, OR ONLY
WISHFULLY THINKING?  MY CONFIGURATIONFOR PACKET IS CURRENTLY A
BAYCOM MODEM WITH BAYCOM 1.5, BUT I HAVE BEENLOOKING AT THE
GRINOS VERSION (PA0GRI NOS) FOR TCP/IP.  ANY HELPERS ORAT LEAT
CLUES WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS.CARTY ELLIS KA2YCELLIS AT
BROCKVMA (BITNET)CELLIS AT BROCK1P
(BITNET)------------------------------DATE: 10 SEP 1992 00:59:10
-0700FROM: [e-mail]: TNC-2 RELEASE ?TO:
[e-mail] ALL PACKETERS,FIRST:I HAVE RELEASE
1.1.6 ON MY TNC2(TINY-2 10/18/88  32K RAM  UK SISKIN ELECTRONICS
)WHITH PERSONAL BBS.BUT, I NEED MANUAL FOR SOME DIFFERENTS
COMMANDS :PERSIST, PPERSIST, PIDC HECK

, SLOTTIME, STATUS, TXUIFRAM,3RDPARTY, CWID, CWTLG, CWLEN,
CWIDTEXT, KISSWHERE CAN I FOUND IT?(I HAVE ONLY MANUAL FOR
1.1.5)SECOND :WHEN MONITOR IS ON, NODES TRAFFIC WILLCAUSE
DAMMAGES ON MY TERMINAL, BECAUSE SOME WORD IN THE PACKETHAVE THE
BIT 8 TO HIGHT.THE TNC DON'T FILTER THIS BIT AND TRANSMIT TO MY
TERMINAL A CODEWITHOUT THIS BIT.EXPL : BELL CHAR IS $07 (IN
ASCII), WHEN ON THE AIR THERE IS A $87, I HAAVEA 'BEEP' ON MY
TERMINAL BECAUSE IT RECEIVE A $07.OTHERS CHARS WOULD BROKEN MY
TERMINAL CONFIGURATION... ANDTHE MF COMMANDS (FILTER) WOULD ONLY
CUT CHARS FROM $00 TO $7F ....WHAT CAN I DO ?THIRD :WHERE CAN I
FOUND RELEASE 1.1.7 FOR TNC2 OR CLONES ?(I HAVE ALREADY FOUND
TAPR RELEASE 1.1.8 ON UCSD.EDU)MANY THANKS FOR ALL
INFORMATIONS.--
                 ----   FREDERIC   FC1JSO    |   INTERNET:
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PACKET: [e-mail]--

--------------------------------DATE: WED, 09 SEP 92 23:56:51
GMTFROM:
NEWS.ACNS.NWU.EDU!NUCSRL!DDSW1!SERVEME!UUMEME![e-mail]
D .EDUSUBJECT: WHAT TYPE?TO: [e-mail], I AM NEW
TO ALL RADIO EXCEPT CB.  I HEAR ALL THESE HAMS AND
OTHERPEOPLETHAT ARE REALLY INTO THIS STUFF, AND..WELL, I'D LIKE
TO GET INTO IT TOO .  I'VESEEN TONS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF
RADIOS, LIKE HAM, SATALITE, TV, PACKET,ETC.I DON'T KNOW WHICH
DOES WHICH AND WHICH IS THE BEST.  I WOULD LIKE TO KNOWIS THERE
IS A "UNIVERSAL" TYPE OF RADIO SYSTEM THAT CAN COMMUNICATE WITH
ALLDIFFERENT TYPES OF RADIO.  IF NOT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH
ONE CAN GOTHEFARTHEST AND HAS BEST RECEPTION.  I REALLY DONT
THINK ONE OF THOSE GIANTANTENNAS ON TOP OF MY HOUSE ARE WHAT I
WANT, SO HOW ABOUT A COMPACT SATALLITESYSTEM.  AND WHILE I'M AT
IT I MIGHT BRING UP, I AM AFFILIATED WITH ADETECTIVE AGENCY
WHO'S IS LOOKING FOR A NEW WAY TO COMMUNICATE OVER LONGDISTANCES
BY RADIO.  I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO
THIS.ALSO, WHATEVER TYPE OF RADIO I GET INTO, I WILL BE NEEDING
A TUTOR, ANYVOLENTEERS?:::::JUSTIN M.
RAPACZ:::::([e-mail]):::::UUMEMEM PUBLIC ACCESS
UNIX:::::CHICAGO, ILLINOIS------------------------------END OF
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ate: 10 Sep 1992 14:48:25 -0700From:
[e-mail]: (none)To:
[e-mail]-System: Amiga 500 /3 megs RAM/52 MB
HD:X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]Hello Greg,  Sorry for
replying to the whole group, but I was unable to reconstructthe
proper email address for Greg.  >    I use two computers when I
packet. These are IBM386 (usualy with SP5) and> Amiga2000 (with
AHP software). I am also interested in exchange of software for>
 these two machines.I use an Amiga 500 and a Tandy 200 for
Packet Radio.  I have never heardof AHP software.  Could you
describe it further please?  For Packet, Iuse Jr-Comm (regular
Term Program) and AmigaNOS (Network OperatingSystem) and would
be willing to send you these if interested.Greg, please reply to
me direct!  My Bitnet address is: bad1679@ritvaxand my Internet
address is: [e-mail].      Thanks and 73/55   de
Bernie NU1S/OK8EAS ------------------------------Date: 10 Sep 92
23:21:23 GMTFrom:
swrinde!sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso![e-mail].
EDUSubject: 2400 bps,1200 baud,DSP(was New Packeteer
Frustration)To: [e-mail]> Hey, here's a way to pick
that nit:  TV is analog in the horizontal> dimension, digital in
the vertical dimension.Nope; "digital" != "discrete
samples.""Digital" means "represented by digits (numbers)",
period.Bob Myers  KC0EW   Hewlett-Packard Co.      |Opinions
expressed here are not                   User Interface Tech.
Div.|those of my employer or any [e-mail]    Fort
Collins, Colorado   |sentient life-form on this
planet.------------------------------Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992
12:38:44 GMTFrom: mjbtn!knuth!knuth![e-mail]:
70cm rigs; Which Ones Best for 9600 Baud Packet?To:
[e-mail] packeteers.  I'm writing this
question on behalf of a club stationat our University which
seeks to put 9600 baud packet on the air using a440 link to the
wide-area digipeater up there.  Could you please drop mea line
as to what rigs you are using successfully on 440 for that
speed,and if you had to do any modifications to the radios
themselves beforeyour efforts were met with success?  The club
station has to put its paperwork together to get its 'slice
ofthe pie' in funding by 18-Sept-92, so there's only a week of
time to getyour ideas in to us.  Although I'm sure a few people
use those all-mode440 rigs for things like PACSATs and the like,
they're not going to beable to get *that* kind of funding!  If
your success was with thingslike the off-the-shelf Alincos,
Icoms, etc. in a range under $400.00that would be great!  E-mail
to me would be preferred, but I do read the group regularly and
Iwould be happy to summarize responses later.  If this question
hasalready been addressed in recent months, then (a) I missed
it, and (b) Iapologize for the duplicate traffic.  Thanks, and
best 73s to you all.-- John N Schmidt KD4EAI, Lab Director +
615-898-5561 M-F 1300-2230Z <7-4:30>Middle Tennessee State
University  ++ 615-898-5538 or 896-2871 FAX 24H 1500 Greenland
Drive, PO Box 135  +x+ [e-mail] <Internet Address>
Murfreesboro, TN 37132-0135 USA  +xx+ MTSU Center for Remote
Sensing and GIS TCP/IP ADDRESS [44.34.50.soon]  +xxx+ PACKET:
KD4EAI@KC4RDJ.#MIDTN.TN.USA.NA--Become a Ham Radio Operator
++++++ Be Heard Around Town or Around the
World------------------------------Date: 10 Sep 1992 11:15:40
-0700From: [e-mail]: ACSB repeater in
Los Angeles areaTo: [e-mail] first ACSB repeater
in Los Angeles, mabe in the country, on the 2 meter HAMband
went active on Sept. 7 1992.The repeater is located 5670 feet
above sea level on Sunset Ridge in EasternL.A. county.It is an
open repeater the input is at 144.895 and the out put is at
145.495 nopl is required but a pilot tone is, in order to take
advantage of thecompandering that is built in to the unit.Anyone
with or with out ACSB equipment is welcome to use the machine.
You canlisten to the output with a multimode rig or any single
sideband rig that willtune the 2 meter band. You will be able to
talk thru the repeater If you mix apilot tone of 3100 hertz ,
(10 dB down),  with your microphone input to yoursingle sideband
rig. If you wish more information on how to use the repeater
orto setup your own, how to get a rig of your own feel free to
call me at areacode [phone].Also  digital  modes work
very well as longe as the band width required is inthe 3 kHz
range. Packet ought to get a real boost in thru put due to
thelinking of both the receiver and transmitter. I have not
tried digital yet. Ifyou do remmember to set your tx/rx delay
longer than 250 milli
seconds.73DonWB6LFC------------------------------Date: 11 Sep 92
01:51:35 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!netne
ws.cc.lehigh.edu!ns1.cc.lehigh.edu![e-mail]:
F6FBB bbs experience?To: [e-mail]'m currently
running AA4RE's REBBS system on my BBS and have found itto be a
very well-designed feature-rich program.  The only problem Ihave
had with it is that is is not extremely reliable (i.e. no
errorhandling when a TNC gets reset out of host mode or
something).One feature I have seen in the F6FBB software is a
streamlinedcompressed-message forwarding protocol (among other
things).  Beforetrying that system out, I wanted to gather some
feelings from otherSysOps currently using this software as far
as reliability, SysOpfeatures, and especially how the USER
interface is.Feel free to reply to this article on the net
rather than via E-mailif you like.73, Tom Brown, SysOp
KA2UGQ.NJ.USA.NA-- --=--Thomas Brown, KA2UGQ          Internet:
[e-mail] University UC Box 855  UUCP:
..!uunet!lehigh.edu!twb0Bethlehem, PA  18015          AX.25:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Thu,
10 Sep 92 16:36:23 GMTFrom:
csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]: Grace DSP Unit
For SaleTo: [e-mail] you sold it yet? If not,
how do you like it as a DSP developmentplatform?-- Richard Crisp
      Cupertino, Ca.          [e-mail][phone] wk
"Get rid of the bums!"   [phone]
fax------------------------------Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:38:38
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!nic.umass.edu!hamp.hampshire.edu!awoodhull@networ
k.UCSD.EDUSubject: KAM documentationTo:
[e-mail]: KAM documentationI just purchased
a used KAM. The original owner got it with the version2.85 ROM,
and the documentation is all for version 2.85. It has
beenupgraded to version 4.0 but the only documentation for the
upgrade thatcame along with it is a version 4.0 Update Cover
Letter and replacement pages 30A - 30D for the Operations
Manual. There seems to be asubstantial amount of information
missing -- there a quite a fewcommands listed in the Commands
Manual that don't seem to exist andthere are quite a few
commands that appear on the Help listing which aren't documented
in the manuals I have. Can anyone tell me if there isa version
3.0 manual set or update that I am missing, or refer me tosome
other source of info on the changes?I would also like to hear
from someone who has upgraded beyond version4.0 (is 5.0 the
latest version?) about what the current version does soI can
decide whether I want to pay to upgrade my unit.Please reply by
e-mail, I'll summarize to the net.Thanks and 73Al Woodhull, N1AW
@
[e-mail]-----------------------------
-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:19:10 GMTFrom:
pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!cs.widener.edu!eff!news.oc.com!u
tacfd.uta.edu!trsvax!rwsys![e-mail]: Need
address/phone of D/FW Texas IP coordinatorTo:
[e-mail] need to get an IP address (and list of
common frequencies) I can use forpacket radio at 1200b on 440MHz
and 2mtrs. I have KA9Q and TCP/IP for Xenixto allow me to put
email and archives online. Our facility has a class-Caddress
from our IP provider, but I need an ampr.org address for the
nodeswe will put PK-88s on. Please help me help others! Thanks
in advance...----James Wyatt  KA5VJL  [e-mail]
Semper Gumbi - always flexible!-- James Wyatt  KA5VJL
[e-mail]  Semper Gumbi - always
flexible!------------------------------Date: 3 Sep 92 08:34:00
GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!engr.uark.edu!mbox.
ualr.edu!chaos![e-mail]: New
handgunner needs adviTo: [e-mail]>I am about to
buy my first handgun.  I thought I wanted one forTS>occasional
practice, and to have on hand for home defense, in case
allTS>hell breaks loose in this society (p > .00).TS>What about
a .22?  Can you do semi-serious target shooting (whateverTS>that
is) with a revolver?  If not, what's a good .22 auto?  I
haveTS>heard positive things about the Ruger Mark II, but much
more about theTS>S&W Model 41 ($$$).Since you're most
comfortable with revolvers, there is NOTHING wrongwith a Smith
K-22. Perhaps not QUITE so precise as a semi-auto for topechelon
target shooting, but for practice and familiarity with, say
aModel 19 or 686, it would be ideal. K-22s are excellent
revolvers.Another (cheaper) alternative might be the nine-shot
Taurus target .22revolver, which seems to be a good value and of
nice quality.I can't advise you on the M19 vs. the 686. My
"mainstay" .357 is anancient N-frame (M27) pre-war Smith... a
huge old beast but sturdy andaccurate. I'm also partial to the
Ruger Security-Six, but they don'tmake those anymore
either...--- . SLMR 2.1a . "I'll wear the plants in this family"
- Adam to Eve   ------------------------------Date: Thu, 10 Sep
1992 07:52:55 EDTFrom:
uunet.ca!xenitec!lemsys![e-mail]: Remarks on
PK-88 vs. TINY-2 (?)To: [e-mail]        Does anyone
have any comments re: the AEA PK-88 vs. the PaCommTINY/2?  I've
decided to buy one or the other of these low-end TNCs forVHF/UHF
use and I just wanted the net's expert opinion.-- Craig Lemon
VE3XCL (Advanced) - Kitchener, Ontario. Amiga B2000  OS 2.04 +1
519 741 0297    [phone]              | 1A Electrical
Engineering [e-mail] [e-mail]  |
University of Waterloo IP/Packet: [e-mail]
[44.135.84.51]|        Fall
1992------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#247******************************Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 04:30:02
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Digest V92 #248To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
12 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 248Today's Topics:
          INTERNET/PACKET (2 msgs)                      MFJ-1278
TNC/etc (2 msgs)                      Need source for 9600 modem
                rsgb gb2rs news 13th september 1992
           What Type? (3 msgs)Send Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 11 Sep 92 05:58:54 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!nuchat!xcluud!dad
stoy!unkaphaed![e-mail]:
INTERNET/PACKETTo: [e-mail] does one forward
mail from the internet to packet.How does one forward mail from
packet to the internet?[e-mail] (Guy
Shechter)Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, [phone] in Houston,
Texas1200/2400/9600/14400
v.32bis/v.42bis------------------------------Date: 11 Sep 92
15:25:14 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!swrinde!gatech!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: INTERNET/PACKETTo:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Guy Shechter) writes:> How does one
forward mail from the internet to packet.> How does one forward
mail from packet to the internet?I'm currently using an
internet/packet 'gateway' in No. Cal.  To get fulldetails and
instructions, simply drop a line to [e-mail]
on the internet.Good Luck,Todd Halea satisfied gateway user
:-)(I unsuccessfully tried to e-mail this
response)------------------------------Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992
15:40:02 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net
!primerd.prime.com!shovel![e-mail]: MFJ-1278
TNC/etcTo: [e-mail], I did have a question.
We heard that someone had written a sharewareprogram to control
the MFJ-1278 that costs $5 or something to register. Anyoneelse
heard of this, and know where I can get it? I've already checked
theusual ftp sites (wsmr-simtel20.army.mil and
wuarchive.wustl.edu) underhamradio and packet and didn't find
anything. Thanks in advance!-- #include "stddisclaimer.h"/* Tim
Cantin          {uunet, csnet-relay}!primerd!tim ||
[e-mail]   Prime Computer Inc. 10-21, 500 Old Conn.
Path, Framingham, MA 01701 (USA) */flames > /dev/null
2>&1------------------------------Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992
15:25:22 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!primerd.pr
ime.com!shovel![e-mail]: MFJ-1278 TNC/etcTo:
[e-mail] father (WA1ETX) recently (3/92)
purchased an MFJ-1278 with MultiCommsoftware. So far it has been
a very nice setup to work with. Except for alittle battle we had
with it a month or two ago - sent it back to MFJ fora free
firmware upgrade. However, yesterday we discovered that you can
onlyconvert a CGA image to SSTV with the 7-month old software
that we have. So Idecided to call the MFJ tech support line and
ask when a new version ofBCDSSTV (converts an MFJBCD screen dump
to SSTV format) is coming out thatsupports EGA/VGA. The guy said
it will be released as an update in 2-3 weeks,to keep an eye out
in QST. Just for yucks we looked at the latest copy of QST,and
sure enough it is in there (MultiComm v2.2). Here's the kicker:
it costsanother $24.95 + shipping. *GRUMBLE*No question, just
felt like letting off a little steam somewhere. :)~I would still
reccommend the MFJ-1278 if you are looking for something
thatdoes everything (packet, fax, sstv, etc...). They (MFJ) do,
however, needto do some hefty work on their software, it's very
'messy' (misspellings,etc). Stuff like that should be corrected
before a piece of commercialsoftware is sent to a customer!--
#include "stddisclaimer.h"/* Tim Cantin          {uunet,
csnet-relay}!primerd!tim || [e-mail]   Prime Computer
Inc. 10-21, 500 Old Conn. Path, Framingham, MA 01701 (USA)
*/flames > /dev/null 2>&1------------------------------Date:
Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:06:37 GMTFrom:
spsgate!mogate!newsgate![e-mail]: Need source
for 9600 modemTo: [e-mail] anyone recommend a
source for the G3RUH (I think that's correct..correct me if I
have it wrong) 9600 bps modems? Or does anyone have one  they
want to sell? TAPR has one that is compatible...anyexperience
with it? I'm planning to use it in my PK-88. A kit wouldbe
preferable but an assembled unit would be OK too.Any info will
be appreciated.Thanks & 73...   Mark
KG7JL------------------------------Date: 11 Sep 92 23:50:25
GMTFrom: pipex!demon!tedb.demon.co.uk![e-mail]:
rsgb gb2rs news 13th september 1992To: [e-mail]
morning. It's Sunday the 13th of September and here is the GB2RS
newsbroadcast, prepared by the Radio Society of Great
Britain.First the headlines:- The 1992 Young Amateur of the Year
has been chosen; andwe have full details of this year's RSGB HF
Convention.This year's holder of the prestigious title Young
Amateur of the Year is aseventeen-year-old A-level student,
Martin Saunders, G7JCJ, who comes fromBroadstone in Dorset.
Amongst his achievements have been building a PacketCluster node
to help local DXers, being elected Secretary of the
SouthernUsers Network Packet Group, being in charge of radio
communications in hisscout group and solving radio-related
problems on his school weather satellitestation. Martin is a
member of the Flight refuelling Amateur Radio Society.
Hereceives prizes from the Radiocommunications Agency, the RSGB
and theprofessional and amateur radio industry. The runner up
was sixteen-year-oldNeil Mothew, G7NGM. He is a very keen
constructor and even designs his ownprinted circuit boards. He
is a member of the Loughton and District AmateurRadio Society.
The Young Amateur of the Year award is part of the RSGB'sProject
YEAR initiative which aims to encourage youngsters into amateur
radioand, ultimately, into the electronics industry. This is the
fifth year of theaward which has been generously supported by
the Radiocommunications Agencyand industry. The prizes will be
awarded at the RSGB's HF Convention.This month sees the premier
event in the HF DX Calendar:The RSGB International HF and IOTA
Convention will take place on Saturday andSunday, the 26th and
27th of September, at the ICL Beaumont Conference Centre,Old
Windsor, Berkshire, a new venue. Over 100 DX amateurs from over
20countries, including the CIS, are planning to visit the UK to
attend theConvention which starts on the Saturday at 0915 with
talks and lectures on theRSGB's popular Islands On the Air
(IOTA) award programme. A DX Dinner will beheld on the Saturday
night. On Sunday, a full lecture programme includeswell-known
personalities Peter Hart, Mike Grierson, Peter Chadwick and
RossClare, covering HF technical issues such as transceiver
performance andconstruction, SWR and linear amplifiers. EMC will
be discussed by RobinPage-Jones, the HF Contest Forum will tell
you how to win HF NFD, HF trophieswill be presented, and the
latest contest logging software will be on show.The UK DX Packet
Cluster Group will be demonstrating how to use this
DXInformation system and David Rowley from Strumech will talk
about selectingand using your tower safely. There will be the
opportunity to try on air thelatest HF equipment and the current
versions of DX software. The lecturestream includes talks on
expeditions to the Pacific, the Indian Ocean andClipperton.
There will also be an RSGB Bookstall and tea and coffee is
free.Overnight accommodation is available. For full details, see
the Septemberedition of Radio Communication, page 15, or from
Bob Whelan, G3PJT, on 0223263137 or via the DX Cluster.Now some
items of HF DX news from the weekly RSGB DX News Sheet which
isedited by Brendan McCartney, G4DYO. From St Pierre and
Miquelon, SP5SS willuse the callsign FP9SPM from today for 4
weeks, with emphasis on CW. FromEcuador, HC3AP will be active on
80 metres daily until the end of September.Operating times are
from 0000 to 0500 GMT around the frequency 3780 to3800kHz. From
Brunei, G3TXF hopes to operate as V85XF from next Thursday
the17th to Sunday the 20th. Emphasis will be on the HF WARC
bands, using CW only.------------------------------Date: Fri, 11
Sep 1992 19:21:00 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hpcvaac![e-mail]:
What Type?To: [e-mail]@uumeme.chi.il.us
(Justin Rapacz) writes:: Well, I am new to all radio except cb.
I hear all these hams and other people: that are really into
this stuff, and..well, I'd like to get into it too.  I've: seen
tons of different types of radios, like ham, satalite, tv,
packet, etc. : I don't know which does which and which is the
best.  I would like to know: is there is a "universal" type of
radio system that can communicate with allNope - there is no
such beast. Some radios have a number of different
modesavailable, but none of the have all possible modes
included.: different types of radio.  If not I would like to
know which one can go the : farthest and has best reception.  I
really dont think one of those giantThis depends on the time of
day, time of year, where we are in the solarcycle, how the sun
is acting at the particular moment, frequency band, wherethe
transmitter and receiver are located, among other factors. :
antennas on top of my house are what I want, so how about a
compact satallite: system.Generally, the more metal you can get
in the air, the better - for purposesof reception. If you want
long range, then you usually need large antennas.At the moment,
this is even more true of satellite communication. :
And while I'm at it I might bring up, I am affiliated with a :
detective agency who's is looking for a new way to communicate
over long : distances by radio.  I would like to know what is
the best way to do this.It is probably best to forget it. 1)
without going to a lot of expense, youcannot make the
communications private - anyone who wants to listen in maydo so.
2) no long range radio communication system is reliable - with
the   possible exception of satellite communication. Satellite
usage is expensive.It is also not secure without expensive
encoder/decoder setups.Most types of radio communication require
licensing. The only exception, herein the US, is Citizen's Band
Radio. It is not reliable for talking across town, much less
long distance.You can forget Amateur Band Radio - where most of
the packet communicationtraffic is. Commercial usage of the band
is strictly prohibited - and enforced.: Also, whatever type of
radio I get into, I will be needing a tutor, any: volenteers?I
would suggest you forget it. Either use scrambled cellular
phones, orrely on normal telephone lines. Even if you could get
a license for long range radio communication, themost you could
do is operate the equipment under the direct supervisionof a
First Class Radiotelephone Licensee.
Bill------------------------------Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992
20:16:36 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!jhays@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: What Type?To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (bill nelson)
writes:>[e-mail] (Justin Rapacz) writes:>: Well,
I am new to all radio except cb.  I hear all these hams and
other people[ A lot of good stuff deleted ... ]>>: Also,
whatever type of radio I get into, I will be needing a tutor,
any>: volenteers?>>I would suggest you forget it. Either use
scrambled cellular phones, or>rely on normal telephone lines.
>>Even if you could get a license for long range radio
communication, the>most you could do is operate the equipment
under the direct supervision>of a First Class Radiotelephone
Licensee. >>BillWhoa, maybe Justin would be interested in
Amateur Radio, for the right reasonsif he had a tutor.  Someone
nearby ought to "Elmer" him until he decides if hefinds the
hobby interesting enough without the commercial side of
things.John-- John D. Hays [KD7UW]           |Email: [UUCP]
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        |       [GEnie]                             HAYSBoise,
Idaho                   |       [Compu$erve]
72725,424------------------------------Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992
08:00:46 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hpcvaac![e-mail]:
What Type?To: [e-mail]@boi.hp.com (John D.
Hays) writes:: >I would suggest you forget it. Either use
scrambled cellular phones, or: >rely on normal telephone lines.
: >: >Even if you could get a license for long range radio
communication, the: >most you could do is operate the equipment
under the direct supervision: >of a First Class Radiotelephone
Licensee. : >: >Bill: : Whoa, maybe Justin would be interested
in Amateur Radio, for the right reasons: if he had a tutor.
Someone nearby ought to "Elmer" him until he decides if he:
finds the hobby interesting enough without the commercial side
of things.Maybe he would be interested in Amateur radio as a
hobby - but, that is notwhat he was asking. He was asking about
commercial usage. My statements werebased on that
requirement.Bill------------------------------Date: (null)From:
(null)Rally news now and we know of four events for today Sunday
the 13th.The British Amateur Radio Teledata Group Rally is being
held at the SandownPark Exhibition Centre, Esher, Surrey. The
location is well signposted and issome 10 minutes from junction
10 of the M25. Doors open at 10.30am. The eventfeatures over 250
tables, including top companies, special interest groups anda
bring and buy. Refreshments will be available and there is a
large parkingarea. Talk-in channels are S22 and SU22.The Lincoln
Short Wave Club Hamfest is being held at the
LincolnshireShowground and Exhibition Centre, which is 4 miles
north of Lincoln on the A15road to Scunthorpe. Doors open at
10.30am. There are all the usual tradestands and a large bring
and buy stall. Refreshments are available and talk-inis on
channel S22.The Madley Satellite Earth Station Amateur Radio
Group Radio Car Boot Rally isbeing held at the Sports Ground in
the Satellite Earth Station Complex,located 7 miles south west
of Hereford. Gates open at 9.30am. There will beall the normal
attractions, including a bring and buy stand. There is ampleroom
for free parking and picnicking, including a special parking
area fordisabled visitors. Talk-in is on channel S22 via
G7BTI.The Telford Amateur Radio Rally is being held at the
Telford ExhibitionCentre, Telford, Shropshire. Doors open at
10.30am. There are trade stands,club and special interest groups
stands and a bring and sell stall. There aresome very large free
car parks and talk-in is on channel S22 and via GB3TF onchannel
RB8.There are two events for next Sunday the 20th of
September.The Centre of England Autumn Radio Computer and
Electronics Rally is to beheld at the National Motorcycle
Museum, Bickenhill, near the NationalExhibition Centre, off
junction 6 of the M42. Doors open at 10.30am, or10.00am for
disabled visitors. The event features over 60 tables.
Refreshmentswill be available and there is a large parking area.
Talk-in will be onchannel S22. Further details from G4UMF by
telephoning 0952 598173.The East of England Radio Rally will be
held at the ICI Building, East ofEngland Showground,
Peterborough. Doors will open at 10.30am, or 10.00am fordisabled
visitors. There will be trade stands, a bring and buy stall and
aradio-and-electronic car boot sale. Refreshments will be
available. Furtherdetails can be obtained from G0CVZ by
telephoning 0733 222588.Contest news next:Next Tuesday the 15th,
the second of the RSGB QRS Cumulative contests takesplace. These
events feature slow Morse and further details can be found
inJuly's RadCom. The next RSGB VHF event is the 144MHz CW
Cumulative which runsfrom 1930 to 2200 GMT next Wednesday the
16th. The RSGB 70MHz Trophy and SWLContest is on Sunday the 20th
of September and runs from 0900 to 1600 GMT. SeeJune RadCom for
further details.Here is news of some of the special event
stations on the air this week:As part of the Orkney Science
Festival, which lasts until next Thursday the17th of September,
the call sign GB2OWM, Orkney Wireless Museum, will be
airedbetween 2 and 5pm on weekdays and 10.00am to 5.00pm on
weekends. The Museum issituated in St Margaret's Hope on the
Island of South Ronaldsay. Operationwill be on the HF bands. The
RAFARS will be operating the special eventcallsign GB1BOB, on
Saturday the 19th of September, from RAF Leuchars duringthe
annual Battle of Britain Open Day. The stand will comprise an
operatingposition, static displays and an RAFARS stall. The
Wrexham Amateur RadioSociety will be on the air during Saturday
the 19th and Sunday the 20th, usingthe Special callsign GB4WXM,
from Erddig Hall, near Wrexham as part of theScottish Tourist
Board's National Trust Celebrations. Operation will be on theHF
bands. The Manchester and District Amateur Radio Society will be
airing theClub callsign, GX3HOX next Sunday the 20th of
September to celebrate the 100thAnniversary of the Lancashire
Cricket League, during the Rawtenstall CricketClub Fun Day. The
venue is the Worswick Memorial Cricket Ground, Bacup
Road,Rawtenstall, Rossendale, Lancashire. Further details can be
obtained fromG0SAD by telephoning 061 336 7469.And now the solar
factual data:This week we have caught up with all of the missing
data due to the holiday.The extended period 27th of August to
the 6th of September saw the more activeside of the sun coming
into view. Generally solar activity was moderate up tothe 1st of
September, then geomagnetic activity increased up to
sub-stormlevels and by the 3rd full storm conditions prevailed.
Levels were decliningby the 6th back to very unsettled. However
an M4.0/1N flare occurred on the5th followed by two more M
flares and two X flares up to an X1.7/2B on the6th. There have
been numerous Sudden Ionospheric Disturbances and Short
WaveFade-outs. Sun spot means over the period were 63. The solar
flux levelsaveraged 104 units, and had steadily risen from 94
units on the 27th of Augustup to 139 units by the 6th of
September. Geomagnetic activity was unsettled upto the 1st of
September, then by the 3rd had reached storm levels with an
Apindex of 53 units. This slowly declined by the 6th to
unsettled levels of 17units. However, further X flares on the
6th seem set to continue the disturbedconditions. The radio
quality indices were slightly below normal up to the 2ndthen
collapsed to very poor by the 3rd and had not recovered by the
6th. Theaa indices, as supplied by the British Geological Survey
for the period 25thto 31st August, were quiet. The daily levels
averaged only 15.4 nanoTeslas -about K3. The 31st was very quiet
with a reading of only 8.2 nanoTeslas. Now the ionospheric data
for England and Wales:The F2 daytime critical frequencies at
Slough, as reported by Appleton,averaged 6.7MHz but the 31st of
August and 2nd of September were up to 8.0 and9.1MHz. This
dropped to only 5.9MHz by the 3rd of August with the
disturbedconditions. The darkness hour lows averaged 2.8MHz, but
varied from 3.5 downto 2.0MHz over the period.Now the
ionospheric data for the north:We have only a small amount of
Irkutsk data this week. The F2 daytime criticalfrequencies at
Irkutsk averaged 6.5MHz, and the darkness hour lows 2.3MHz.
Dueto problems with the phone line between Slough and Appleton,
the ionosphericdata from Slough is now being interpreted by
computer program. This is why noother phenomena such as Spread
F, absorption, and so on, is being reported.And lastly the solar
forecast:This week, the quieter side of the sun will be coming
into view. Solar fluxlevels are expected to be at about the
100s. Geomagnetic levels are expectedto be quiet at first,
increasing to very unsettled by the 20th. Daytimeionospheric
levels are expected to reach 24MHz with north/south paths
beingbest. The darkness hour lows should be about 21MHz, but
14MHz should be bestfor East/West paths around midnight.And that
is the end of the solar information.Finally in the main news,
the licence issuing agency, SSL, has informed theSociety that as
of last Wednesday morning, the latest callsigns issued were
inthe G0 S J and G7 N P series, and Novice calls in the 2 0 A D
and 2 1 B B series. .You're listening to GB2RS, the news
broadcasting service of the Radio Societyof Great Britain,
transmitting in the 80, 40, 6 and 2 metre
bands.------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #248******************************Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92
04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
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Digest V92 #249To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
13 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 249Today's Topics:
         (email?) address of GRAPES        2400 bps,1200
baud,DSP(was New Packeteer Frustration)
 INTERNET/PACKET                               Kam Docs
       KAM Documentaion / KPC-2400 Upgrade
Remarks on PK-88 vs. TINY-2 (?)                              Sam
WA4PHYSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:03:56 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!umeecs!eecs.umich.edu![e-mail]
ct: (email?) address of GRAPESTo: [e-mail]
knows what the (email?) address of GRAPES is?Thanks,--Ayman I.
Kayssi                               |
[e-mail] Department
 +------------------------University of Michigan
       |          (313)
764-8033------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 92 14:56:08
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!lina
c!att!cbnewse!cbnewsd![e-mail]: 2400
bps,1200 baud,DSP(was New Packeteer Frustration)To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Bob Myers) writes:>> Hey, here's a way
to pick that nit:  TV is analog in the horizontal>> dimension,
digital in the vertical dimension.>>>Nope; "digital" !=
"discrete samples.">>"Digital" means "represented by digits
(numbers)", period.  More nits -- or at least questions:   If
"discrete samples" aren't digital, are they analog?   Is
time-sliced analog (PAM) still analog?   Is CW analog, or
digital?  Can't digital "encodings" be     something other that
binary -- for example, a "dot" vs. "dash"     is distinguished
by duration, but carries binary information.   Could CW be
binary information (coded), using analog for transmission?
If so, isn't all a lot of "digital" communication really analog
     carrying binary information?   Can a signal be both
"digital" and "analog" at the same time --       for example,
"digital" data in a non-picture portion of NTSC TV?   Is the
off-hook signal on a telephone line a digital signal?   If this
is re-starting an old, religious debate, just let me knowhow it
ended.Al Varney------------------------------Date: Sat, 12 Sep
92 11:32:06 mstFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stjhmc![e-mail]
bject: INTERNET/PACKETTo: [e-mail] <Fri, Sep 11
05:58>, UUCP ([e-mail] Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92
05:58:54 GMT) wrote:  >How does one forward mail from the
internet to packet. >How does one forward mail from packet to
the internet?** Please note ... do not send international
traffic to stations that the United States does NOT have 3rd
party agreements with.  Those are being killed at the gateway **
                   How to Use the wb7tpy.ampr.org
Internet <-> Amateur Packet Radio
Gateway------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 1992 05:30:45
-0700From: [e-mail]: Kam DocsTo:
[e-mail] Al, glad to hear that you got a KAM.I
have run KAMs for about 4 years now. Ilike them very much. I am
running version 5.02 withHostMaster II+. It is a windo affair
that lets you workPacket on the vhf\uhf side and Cw etc on the
HF sideand you can see all that is going on at once.I can't help
you with the DOCs. I would suggest thatyou contact Kantronics.
If you order the 5.02 upgradeand tell them that you need the
DOCs on the Kamthey will send them to you. I have had VERY godd
servicefrom Kantronics.They advertise in all the Ham
magazines.Tel [phone] BBS 913-842-4678Hope this helps a
little.73 cul de Roland
7J1AKI/WF4P------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 1992
17:27:43 -0700From: [e-mail]: KAM
Documentaion / KPC-2400 UpgradeTo: [e-mail]-2400
upgrade and Re: Kam documentationSubject: KPC-2400 upgrade and
Re: Kam documentation > I just purchased a used KAM. The
original owner got it with the> version 2.85 ROM, and the
documentation is all for version 2.85. It> has been upgraded to
version 4.0 but the only documentation for the> upgrade that
came along with it is a version 4.0 Update Cover Letter> and
replacement pages 30A - 30D for the Operations Manual. There
seems> to be a substantial amount of information missing --
there a quite a> few commands listed in the Commands Manual that
don't seem to exist> and there are quite a few commands that
appear on the Help listing> which aren't documented in the
manuals I have. Can anyone tell me if> there is a version 3.0
manual set or update that I am missing, or> refer me to some
other source of info on the changes? > Thanks and 73 > Al
Woodhull, N1AW @ K1MEA.MA> [e-mail] I had a
similar experience when I upgraded my KPC-2400 from Rev 2.35to
Rev 2.85. When I installed the new PROM, my station
wouldn'tconnect to any other stations anymore. Then I found that
many commandshad been removed, others added, and many of the
rest changed somehow.Most of these changes were not even
mentioned in the addendum. Ireinstalled the old PROM, and wrote
a letter to Kantronics describingmy experiences and to ask for a
copy of the new command manual. The reply stated that the
addendum that came with the new PROM wasbasically the changes to
the Rev 2.70 manual (which I didn't have).They did offer to sell
me a current copy of the Installation,Operations and Commands
manuals as a set for $15, or about the sameprice as the new
PROMs. I was NOT pleased. I found another source forthe
documents I needed. That convinced me that the next time I
upgrade, I'm going to findanother source for the PROMs and
command manual. It's not that hard,and would be a good deal
cheaper. This happened a few years ago, and I still get burned
up about it.I've not seen nor heard anything since to make me
change my view. I don't have the previous revision of the
command manual. The TNC isalready installed, and I already know
how it operates, so I don't needthe full set. Why can't venders
like this just include the currentcommands manual with the new
PROM?                      Are you listening Kantronics? 73 de
Brett       PACKET: KA7CGB @ K7BUC.AZ.USA.NA
BITNET: AUBMD@ASUACVAX                INTERNET:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 12
Sep 92 13:40:25 GMTFrom:
olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea![e-mail]:
Remarks on PK-88 vs. TINY-2 (?)To: [e-mail] a
message of <10 Sep 92>, Craig Lemon VE3XCL wrote to All: CLV>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet CLV>         Does anyone
have any comments re: the AEA PK-88 vs. the  CLV> PaComm CLV>
TINY/2?  I've decided to buy one or the other of these low-end
TNCs  CLV> for CLV> VHF/UHF use and I just wanted the net's
expert opinion.Tiny 2 is nice. Can use Net Rom if you want. *
Origin: Radio Therapy BBS
(1:346/3)------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 1992
04:48:59 -0700From: [e-mail]: Sam
WA4PHYTo: [e-mail] for posting this here,but
can't reach Sam any other way.Sam mail sent to you at the ampr
and other addresses bounce.Please advise a packet addres or an
Email address I can reach.cul 73 de Roland
7J1AKI/WF4P------------------------------Date: (null)From:
(null)Send email to "[e-mail]" on Internet or "gate
at 1:114/15"      on fidonet.The first line of text must
be:Packet: [e-mail]:
[e-mail]-----------------------------------Date:
(null)From: (null)send email on packet to
"[e-mail]"The first line of text must be:Internet:
[e-mail] questions can be sent
to:[e-mail] (Internet)[e-mail]
(Packet)--
-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------      Internet: [e-mail]    FAX: +1
[phone]      Bitnet: ATW1H @ ASUACAD
FidoNet=> 1:114/15                Amateur Packet ax25:
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #249******************************Date:
Mon, 14 Sep 92 04:30:04 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #250To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
14 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 250Today's Topics:
       Looking for Gracilis software
Packet Gateway                      Undelivered mail (2
msgs)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
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directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:14:10 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hp-col![e-mail]: Looking for
Gracilis softwareTo:
[e-mail]@sigyn.cs.athabascau.ca (Ron
Haukenfrers) writes:> I've just made several attempts to
download grac9208.exe and grac9208.zip> off the Gracilis BBS but
seem to get dumped off their system midway> through the
transfer.  Are these files available for FTP anywhere?  Current
versions of publicly-released Gracilis bits should be on
col.hp.com [15.255.240.16], in the directory packet/gracilis.73
- Bdale, N3EUA------------------------------Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92
07:16:48 mstFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stjhmc![e-mail]
bject: Packet GatewayTo: [e-mail], for some
reason the entire information on the gateway didn't post
yesterday.                    How to Use the wb7tpy.ampr.org
          Internet <-> Amateur Packet Radio GatewayTo send From
Internet/Usenet/Bitnet/Fidonet to Packet:Send email to
"[e-mail]" on Internet or "gate at 1:114/15"      on
fidonet.The first line of text must be:Packet:
[e-mail]:
[e-mail]-----To send From Packet to
Internet/Usenet/Bitnet/Fidonet:send email on packet to
"[e-mail]"The first line of text must be:Internet:
[e-mail] questions can be sent
to:[e-mail] (Internet)[e-mail]
(Packet)--
-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------      Internet: [e-mail]    FAX: +1
[phone]      Bitnet: ATW1H @ ASUACAD
FidoNet=> 1:114/15                Amateur Packet ax25:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 13
Sep 1992 13:21:43 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Undelivered mailTo: [e-mail] mail was not
delivered to some or all of itsintended recipients for the
following reason(s):RSCS rejected mail w/tag: BROCK1P  CELLIS
.... Is the hostname misspelled?--------------------RETURNED
MAIL FILE--------------------Received: by CUNYVM (Mailer R2.08)
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packet-radio-listMessage-Id: <[e-mail]>Date:
Sun, 13 Sep 92 04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #249To: [e-mail]-Radio Digest
   Sun, 13 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 249Today's Topics:
                 (email?) address of GRAPES        2400 bps,1200
baud,DSP(was New Packeteer Frustration)
 INTERNET/PACKET                               Kam Docs
       KAM Documentaion / KPC-2400 Upgrade
Remarks on PK-88 vs. TINY-2 (?)                              Sam
WA4PHYSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:03:56 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!umeecs!eecs.umich.edu![e-mail]
ct: (email?) address of GRAPESTo: [e-mail]
knows what the (email?) address of GRAPES is?Thanks,--Ayman I.
Kayssi                               |
[e-mail] Department
 +------------------------University of Michigan
       |          (313)
764-8033------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 92 14:56:08
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!lina
c!att!cbnewse! cbnewsd![e-mail]: 2400
bps,1200 baud,DSP(was New Packeteer Frustration)To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Bob Myers) writes:>> Hey, here's a way
to pick that nit:  TV is analog in the horizontal>> dimension,
digital in the vertical dimension.>>>Nope; "digital" !=
"discrete samples.">>"Digital" means "represented by digits
(numbers)", period.  More nits -- or at least questions:   If
"discrete samples" aren't digital, are they analog?   Is
time-sliced analog (PAM) still analog?   Is CW analog, or
digital?  Can't digital "encodings" be     something other that
binary -- for example, a "dot" vs. "dash"     is distinguished
by duration, but carries binary information.   Could CW be
binary information (coded), using analog for transmission?
If so, isn't all a lot of "digital" communication really analog
     carrying binary information?   Can a signal be both
"digital" and "analog" at the same time --       for example,
"digital" data in a non-picture portion of NTSC TV?   Is the
off-hook signal on a telephone line a digital signal?   If this
is re-starting an old, religious debate, just let me knowhow it
ended.Al Varney------------------------------Date: Sat, 12 Sep
92 11:32:06 mstFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stjhmc![e-mail]
bject: INTERNET/PACKETTo: [e-mail] <Fri, Sep 11
05:58>, UUCP ([e-mail] Date: Fri, 11 Sep
9205:58:54 GMT) wrote: >How does one forward mail from the
internet to packet. >How does one forward mail from packet to
the internet?** Please note ... do not send international
traffic to stations that theUnited States does NOT have 3rd
party agreements with.  Those are being killedat the gateway **
                  How to Use the wb7tpy.ampr.org
Internet <-> Amateur Packet Radio
Gateway------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 1992 05:30:45
-0700From: [e-mail]: Kam DocsTo:
[e-mail] Al, glad to hear that you got a KAM.I
have run KAMs for about 4 years now. Ilike them very much. I am
running version 5.02 withHostMaster II+. It is a windo affair
that lets you workPacket on the vhf\uhf side and Cw etc on the
HF sideand you can see all that is going on at once.I can't help
you with the DOCs. I would suggest thatyou contact Kantronics.
If you order the 5.02 upgradeand tell them that you need the
DOCs on the Kamthey will send them to you. I have had VERY godd
servicefrom Kantronics.They advertise in all the Ham
magazines.Tel [phone] BBS 913-842-4678Hope this helps a
little.73 cul de Roland
7J1AKI/WF4P------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 1992
17:27:43 -0700From: [e-mail]: KAM
Documentaion / KPC-2400 UpgradeTo: [e-mail]-2400
upgrade and Re: Kam documentationSubject: KPC-2400 upgrade and
Re: Kam documentation> I just purchased a used KAM. The original
owner got it with the> version 2.85 ROM, and the documentation
is all for version 2.85. It> has been upgraded to version 4.0
but the only documentation for the> upgrade that came along with
it is a version 4.0 Update Cover Letter> and replacement pages
30A - 30D for the Operations Manual. There seems> to be a
substantial amount of information missing -- there a quite a>
few commands listed in the Commands Manual that don't seem to
exist> and there are quite a few commands that appear on the
Help listing> which aren't documented in the manuals I have. Can
anyone tell me if> there is a version 3.0 manual set or update
that I am missing, or> refer me to some other source of info on
the changes?> Thanks and 73> Al Woodhull, N1AW @ K1MEA.MA>
[e-mail] had a similar experience when I
upgraded my KPC-2400 from Rev 2.35to Rev 2.85. When I installed
the new PROM, my station wouldn'tconnect to any other stations
anymore. Then I found that many commandshad been removed, others
added, and many of the rest changed somehow.Most of these
changes were not even mentioned in the addendum. Ireinstalled
the old PROM, and wrote a letter to Kantronics describingmy
experiences and to ask for a copy of the new command manual.The
reply stated that the addendum that came with the new PROM
wasbasically the changes to the Rev 2.70 manual (which I didn't
have).They did offer to sell me a current copy of the
Installation,Operations and Commands manuals as a set for $15,
or about the sameprice as the new PROMs. I was NOT pleased. I
found another source forthe documents I needed.That convinced me
that the next time I upgrade, I'm going to findanother source
for the PROMs and command manual. It's not that hard,and would
be a good deal cheaper.This happened a few years ago, and I
still get burned up about it.I've not seen nor heard anything
since to make me change my view.I don't have the previous
revision of the command manual. The TNC isalready installed, and
I already know how it operates, so I don't needthe full set. Why
can't venders like this just include the currentcommands manual
with the new PROM?                     Are you listening
Kantronics?73 de Brett       PACKET: KA7CGB @ K7BUC.AZ.USA.NA
              BITNET: AUBMD@ASUACVAX                INTERNET:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 12
Sep 92 13:40:25 GMTFrom:
olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea![e-mail]:
Remarks on PK-88 vs. TINY-2 (?)To: [e-mail] a
message of <10 Sep 92>, Craig Lemon VE3XCL wrote to All: CLV>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet CLV>         Does anyone
have any comments re: the AEA PK-88 vs. the CLV> PaComm CLV>
TINY/2?  I've decided to buy one or the other of these low-end
TNCs CLV> for CLV> VHF/UHF use and I just wanted the net's
expert opinion.Tiny 2 is nice. Can use Net Rom if you want. *
Origin: Radio Therapy BBS
(1:346/3)------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 1992
04:48:59 -0700From: [e-mail]: Sam
WA4PHYTo: [e-mail] for posting this here,but
can't reach Sam any other way.Sam mail sent to you at the ampr
and other addresses bounce.Please advise a packet addres or an
Email address I can reach.cul 73 de Roland
7J1AKI/WF4P------------------------------Date: (null)From:
(null)Send email to "[e-mail]" on Internet or "gate
at 1:114/15"     on fidonet.The first line of text must
be:Packet: [e-mail]:
[e-mail]-----------------------------------Date:
(null)From: (null)send email on packet to
"[e-mail]"The first line of text must be:Internet:
[e-mail] questions can be sent
to:[e-mail] (Internet)[e-mail]
(Packet)--
-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------      Internet: [e-mail]    FAX: +1
[phone]      Bitnet: ATW1H @ ASUACAD
FidoNet=> 1:114/15                Amateur Packet ax25:
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92
#249******************************------------------------------D
ate: 13 Sep 1992 13:21:50 -0700From:
[e-mail]: Undelivered mailTo:
[e-mail] mail was not delivered to some or all
of itsintended recipients for the following reason(s):RSCS
rejected mail w/tag: TSU      PORTER0.... Is the hostname
misspelled?--------------------RETURNED MAIL
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Sun, 13 Sep 92 04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #249To: [e-mail]-Radio Digest
   Sun, 13 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 249Today's Topics:
                 (email?) address of GRAPES        2400 bps,1200
baud,DSP(was New Packeteer Frustration)
 INTERNET/PACKET                               Kam Docs
       KAM Documentaion / KPC-2400 Upgrade
Remarks on PK-88 vs. TINY-2 (?)                              Sam
WA4PHYSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:03:56 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!umeecs!eecs.umich.edu![e-mail]
ct: (email?) address of GRAPESTo: [e-mail]
knows what the (email?) address of GRAPES is?Thanks,--Ayman I.
Kayssi                               |
[e-mail] Department
 +------------------------University of Michigan
       |          (313)
764-8033------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 92 14:56:08
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!lina
c!att!cbnewse! cbnewsd![e-mail]: 2400
bps,1200 baud,DSP(was New Packeteer Frustration)To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Bob Myers) writes:>> Hey, here's a way
to pick that nit:  TV is analog in the horizontal>> dimension,
digital in the vertical dimension.>>>Nope; "digital" !=
"discrete samples.">>"Digital" means "represented by digits
(numbers)", period.  More nits -- or at least questions:   If
"discrete samples" aren't digital, are they analog?   Is
time-sliced analog (PAM) still analog?   Is CW analog, or
digital?  Can't digital "encodings" be     something other that
binary -- for example, a "dot" vs. "dash"     is distinguished
by duration, but carries binary information.   Could CW be
binary information (coded), using analog for transmission?
If so, isn't all a lot of "digital" communication really analog
     carrying binary information?   Can a signal be both
"digital" and "analog" at the same time --       for example,
"digital" data in a non-picture portion of NTSC TV?   Is the
off-hook signal on a telephone line a digital signal?   If this
is re-starting an old, religious debate, just let me knowhow it
ended.Al Varney------------------------------Date: Sat, 12 Sep
92 11:32:06 mstFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stjhmc![e-mail]
bject: INTERNET/PACKETTo: [e-mail] <Fri, Sep 11
05:58>, UUCP ([e-mail] Date: Fri, 11 Sep
9205:58:54 GMT) wrote: >How does one forward mail from the
internet to packet. >How does one forward mail from packet to
the internet?** Please note ... do not send international
traffic to stations that theUnited States does NOT have 3rd
party agreements with.  Those are being killedat the gateway **
                  How to Use the wb7tpy.ampr.org
Internet <-> Amateur Packet Radio
Gateway------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 1992 05:30:45
-0700From: [e-mail]: Kam DocsTo:
[e-mail] Al, glad to hear that you got a KAM.I
have run KAMs for about 4 years now. Ilike them very much. I am
running version 5.02 withHostMaster II+. It is a windo affair
that lets you workPacket on the vhf\uhf side and Cw etc on the
HF sideand you can see all that is going on at once.I can't help
you with the DOCs. I would suggest thatyou contact Kantronics.
If you order the 5.02 upgradeand tell them that you need the
DOCs on the Kamthey will send them to you. I have had VERY godd
servicefrom Kantronics.They advertise in all the Ham
magazines.Tel [phone] BBS 913-842-4678Hope this helps a
little.73 cul de Roland
7J1AKI/WF4P------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 1992
17:27:43 -0700From: [e-mail]: KAM
Documentaion / KPC-2400 UpgradeTo: [e-mail]-2400
upgrade and Re: Kam documentationSubject: KPC-2400 upgrade and
Re: Kam documentation> I just purchased a used KAM. The original
owner got it with the> version 2.85 ROM, and the documentation
is all for version 2.85. It> has been upgraded to version 4.0
but the only documentation for the> upgrade that came along with
it is a version 4.0 Update Cover Letter> and replacement pages
30A - 30D for the Operations Manual. There seems> to be a
substantial amount of information missing -- there a quite a>
few commands listed in the Commands Manual that don't seem to
exist> and there are quite a few commands that appear on the
Help listing> which aren't documented in the manuals I have. Can
anyone tell me if> there is a version 3.0 manual set or update
that I am missing, or> refer me to some other source of info on
the changes?> Thanks and 73> Al Woodhull, N1AW @ K1MEA.MA>
[e-mail] had a similar experience when I
upgraded my KPC-2400 from Rev 2.35to Rev 2.85. When I installed
the new PROM, my station wouldn'tconnect to any other stations
anymore. Then I found that many commandshad been removed, others
added, and many of the rest changed somehow.Most of these
changes were not even mentioned in the addendum. Ireinstalled
the old PROM, and wrote a letter to Kantronics describingmy
experiences and to ask for a copy of the new command manual.The
reply stated that the addendum that came with the new PROM
wasbasically the changes to the Rev 2.70 manual (which I didn't
have).They did offer to sell me a current copy of the
Installation,Operations and Commands manuals as a set for $15,
or about the sameprice as the new PROMs. I was NOT pleased. I
found another source forthe documents I needed.That convinced me
that the next time I upgrade, I'm going to findanother source
for the PROMs and command manual. It's not that hard,and would
be a good deal cheaper.This happened a few years ago, and I
still get burned up about it.I've not seen nor heard anything
since to make me change my view.I don't have the previous
revision of the command manual. The TNC isalready installed, and
I already know how it operates, so I don't needthe full set. Why
can't venders like this just include the currentcommands manual
with the new PROM?                     Are you listening
Kantronics?73 de Brett       PACKET: KA7CGB @ K7BUC.AZ.USA.NA
              BITNET: AUBMD@ASUACVAX                INTERNET:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 12
Sep 92 13:40:25 GMTFrom:
olivea!isc-br!tau-ceti!comtch!iea![e-mail]:
Remarks on PK-88 vs. TINY-2 (?)To: [e-mail] a
message of <10 Sep 92>, Craig Lemon VE3XCL wrote to All: CLV>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet CLV>         Does anyone
have any comments re: the AEA PK-88 vs. the CLV> PaComm CLV>
TINY/2?  I've decided to buy one or the other of these low-end
TNCs CLV> for CLV> VHF/UHF use and I just wanted the net's
expert opinion.Tiny 2 is nice. Can use Net Rom if you want. *
Origin: Radio Therapy BBS
(1:346/3)------------------------------Date: 12 Sep 1992
04:48:59 -0700From: [e-mail]: Sam
WA4PHYTo: [e-mail] for posting this here,but
can't reach Sam any other way.Sam mail sent to you at the ampr
and other addresses bounce.Please advise a packet addres or an
Email address I can reach.cul 73 de Roland
7J1AKI/WF4P------------------------------Date: (null)From:
(null)Send email to "[e-mail]" on Internet or "gate
at 1:114/15"     on fidonet.The first line of text must
be:Packet: [e-mail]:
[e-mail]-----------------------------------Date:
(null)From: (null)send email on packet to
"[e-mail]"The first line of text must be:Internet:
[e-mail] questions can be sent
to:[e-mail] (Internet)[e-mail]
(Packet)--   -------------------

------------------------------------------------------
Internet: [e-mail]    FAX: [phone]
   Bitnet: ATW1H @ ASUACAD                     FidoNet=>
1:114/15                Amateur Packet ax25:
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92
#249******************************------------------------------E
nd of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#250******************************Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 04:30:03
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15 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 251Today's Topics:
        2400 baud modem for MFJ1274
Gateway Security??        In search of U2 Zoo Station promo disc
(Please Help!)             Inspector for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER) (3
msgs)                   Internet/Packet gateway policy?
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-----------Date: 14 Sep 92 13:25:30 GMTFrom:
newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!psinntp!psinntp!ncrlnk!ncrclm!tskelton
@uunet.uu.netSubject: 2400 baud modem for MFJ1274To:
[e-mail] local friend is trying to get on
packet/packetcluster (tm) and boughtan MFJ 1274 TNC.  I had told
him to make sure the MFJ he bought was theone that would operate
at 2400 baud (1278 or 1274 T??), and he got thewrong one. It
appears that the stock 1274 needs an external modem to run2400
baud. Any suggestions out there for external modems?Thanks for
your help!  73, Tom WB4IUX******************** DX  IS  and  WILL
 ALWAYS  BE *******************--
------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:32:51
GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!gratclif@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: Gateway Security??To:
[e-mail] has been quite a bit of discussion
concerning internet gateways.What security methods (or lack of )
are being used to prevent peoplefrom grabbing a known/heard
callsign and then doing nasty things?Most of the internet sites
in Columbus are very cool when approachedabout allowing gateway
operation over radio.Thanks Greg.-- Gregory W. Ratcliff
[e-mail]  on the internet   Columbus, Ohio
ICBMnz8r@w8cqk      on the airN1697X          in the
air------------------------------Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:04:39
GMTFrom:
stanford.edu!leland.Stanford.EDU![e-mail]:
In search of U2 Zoo Station promo disc (Please Help!)To:
[e-mail] All!Forgive me if this post seems out
of place, but I am posting this message tomany different
newsgroups in hopes of a positive response.I am looking fo a
rare U2 single, a DJ/collectors white vinyl 12" single ofZoo
Station.  The single contains 3 songs:            Zoo Station            Lady with
the Spinning Head            Zoo Station (UV1 remix)If you have this
single, know someone who has it, or have seen the singleanywhere
(I think it was released only in the U.K.), PLEASE respond to
mepersonally via e-mail (as I probably do not regularly read
this newsgroup)at the following
address:            [e-mail] information on the
whereabouts of this single, no matter how insignificantit may
seem, will be GREATLY appreciated.Taanx in advance,Jalapeno-- J.
Bradley [e-mail].O. Box 14707
Stanford CA, 94309------------------------------Date: 14 Sep 92
16:13:24From:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!cc.tut.fi!tut![e-mail]:
Inspector for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)To:
[e-mail] for FBB mailbox
v.920814:-----------------------------------What it
does:-------------With this programme you can find messages that
contain obsene wordsor where somebody tries to sell or buy
something on ham radio (illegalin most parts of Europe).How it
does it:---------------When a message is received by FBB mailbox
this programme (M_FILTER) isautomatically called. It checks line
by line if sertain strings ofletters (words) are found. These
strings are read from the fileM_FILTER.WRD. If one or more of
them are present in the inspectedmessage, a notice of this is
written to C:\FBB\WAITING.IN.Another programme called MF2MAIL
checks if there is a file WAITING.INand if it finds the file it
moves it to the end of the FBB mailbox importfile MAIL.IN.
MF2MAIL is activated with the CRON.How to
install:---------------1. Copy M_FILTER.EXE to \FBB\BIN or any
directory in the PATH.2. Copy MF2MAIL.EXE to \FBB\BIN or any
directory in the PATH.3. Copy M_FILTER.WRD to \FBB.4. Add the
following lines into Cron.sys:                IF H 3,8,13,19
                   X MF2MAIL                ENDIF   (of course
you can change the times or the frequency if you like :) )5.
Edit the file M_FILTER.WRD if you like.Where you can find this
programme:----------------------------------Use anonymous FTP
from nic.funet.fidirectory: pub/ham/packet/bbs/fbb/utilBy the
way the source code in Turbo Pascal 6.0 is included. How to
contact the author:--------------------------Packet:   OH3NWQ @
OH3RBR.FIN.EUInternet: [e-mail]73 de Wes
OH3NWQ------Disclaimer:--Tampere-a-place-in-Finland-where-everyth
[e-mail]     ,
[e-mail]    ,     [e-mail]:
[e-mail]                 I use H instead of R in
REJET.SYS------------------------------Date: 14 Sep 92
16:30:22From:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!cc.tut.fi!tut![e-mail]:
Inspector for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Tervo Vesa (OH3NWQ)) writes:>   Where you can
find this programme:>   ---------------------------------->>
Use anonymous FTP from nic.funet.fi>   directory:
pub/ham/packet/bbs/fbb/util>   By the way the source code in
Turbo Pascal 6.0 is included.The right directory is :
pub/ham/packet/bbs/f6fbb/utils   and the file name is   :
m_filter.lzh73 de Wes
(again)------Disclaimer:--Tampere-a-place-in-Finland-where-everyt
[e-mail]     ,
[e-mail]    ,     [e-mail]:
[e-mail]                 I use H instead of R in
REJET.SYS------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992
00:36:08 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!qualcom.qualcomm.com![e-mail]
bject: Inspector for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Tervo Vesa (OH3NWQ)) writes:|> INSPECTOR for FBB mailbox
v.920814:|> -----------------------------------|> What it
does:|> -------------|> |> With this programme you can find
messages that contain obsene words|> or where somebody tries to
sell or buy something on ham radio (illegal|> in most parts of
Europe).Oh geez. I've been waiting for somebody to try this,
because it'scertain to create an escalating
measure-countermeasure war (andassociated flamefests) that
should keep amateur packet radio buzzingfor quite some time. And
here I was afraid the nets might run out ofthings to send.
(Please note the sarcasm in this paragraph.)I wonder if this
program will successfully parse the words in the following:
######   ####   ##### #       #    #  #    # #####   #    #  #
 # #       #    #  ##### #       #    #  #   # #        ####   #
   #  ####     ##    #       ###### #        #  #   #       #
####   #    #  #       #####      #  ######  #       # #    #  #
   #  #       #  ####   #    #  ######  ######or this:66 6f 72
20 73 61 6c 65 0a!and then decide to let this message pass
because it understands thatthis is a discussion *about* programs
that censor such traffic, andnot an actual, verboten, for-sale
message?I'd also be interested in knowing how this program can
be legally sentover amateur radio given that it must contain a
list of the "sevendirty words" that cannot be used over ham
radio. Even if they'reencoded in something other than plain
text, the rules do ban languagethat is obscene *in meaning*, no
matter what form it
takes...Phil------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992
06:35:37 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ne
ws.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu![e-mail]
: Internet/Packet gateway policy?To: [e-mail]
types of policy problems have Internet/Packet gateway operators
had todeal with so far?  I have heard some news on newsline
about this within thepast year, but I wasn't paying close
attention then.Please respond by email and thanks for your
comments.Brad [e-mail][e-mail]-- Brad
Banko;  Dept of Physics;  U of Illinois;  [e-mail],
KB8CNE===========================================================
==============    Tatiana Gutsu for
President!------------------------------Date: 14 Sep 1992
06:50:50 -0700From: [e-mail]: mailing
listTo: [e-mail]   Dear Sir or Madam,Please place
me on you mailing list and also forward newsgroupinfor on
packet-radio.  ThanksHoward Hall  (p.s.  I am working toward my
first ham license-code-free technician).
--m------------------------------Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992
12:36:58 TURFrom:
news.univie.ac.@!blekul11!frmop11!trearn!trmetu![e-mail].n
etSubject: Un`x Dr`verTo: [e-mail]  Hello there,
 I am try`ng to bu`ld a un`x-based `nterface for an ETHERNETLAN
to a packet rad`o stat`on...     Any help concern`ng the gateway
software or any techn`calcomment would be h`ghly regarded.
                       Name:  Abdul-Ham`d Sadka
          e-ma`l:  c70861:TRMETU:BITNET
     QTH:  Ankara/Turkey------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #251******************************Date:
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Digest V92 #252To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
16 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 252Today's Topics:
        2400 baud modem for MFJ1274               APlink
directories-- Western Hemisphere                      FLEXNET
network software.                 Help: IC271/471 on 9600 Baud
packet             Inspector for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER) (2 msgs)
            Internet/Packet gateway policy? (2 msgs)
          Packet BBS under UNIX ??
Packet DX?                               Question
      TPK (FBB Terminal Program)Send Replies or notes for
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personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:04:38 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!udel!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!primerd.prime.com!shovel
![e-mail]: 2400 baud modem for MFJ1274To:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Tom Skelton) writes:> A local
friend is trying to get on packet/packetcluster (tm) and bought>
an MFJ 1274 TNC.  I had told him to make sure the MFJ he bought
was the> one that would operate at 2400 baud (1278 or 1274 T??),
and he got the> wrong one. It appears that the stock 1274 needs
an external modem to run> 2400 baud. Any suggestions out there
for external modems?> Thanks for your help!  73, Tom WB4IUXI
would suggest returning the 1274 to MFJ for a merchandise credit
towards thebetter TNC (i.e. 1278 or 1274 Turbo). The price
difference can't be that much.One device that does it all is
always better than worrying about two devices.*smile* Of course,
if your friend insists on running out for a 2400 baudexternal
modem they are fairly cheap. Don't pay more than $70-80 for
it,TOPS! I bought an ibm internal modem 3 yrs ago for $79... He
can probablyfind a used one for next to nothing since everyone
is upgrading to 9600there should be plenty of 2400's for
sale...-- #include "stddisclaimer.h"/* Tim Cantin
{uunet, csnet-relay}!primerd!tim || [e-mail]   Prime
Computer Inc. 10-21, 500 Old Conn. Path, Framingham, MA 01701
(USA) */flames > /dev/null
2>&1------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992
13:49:06 GMTFrom:
dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!mchar
[e-mail]: APlink directories-- Western
HemisphereTo: [e-mail] asked for this a
while back.  I copied it from W2tku thismorning.  John
WA9FCHZCZC Nr 17062 Bulletin WA1URA 0827/0245ZAPLink U.S. West
(27-Jul-92)BID APL_012These APLink mailboxes in the Western
continental United States operate24 hours a day (unless noted)
on the mark carrier frequencies listed.(Separate directories are
published for other parts of the world.)AA5CQ/7  AACQ  John in
Las Vegas (.#SONEV.NV.USA.NA) 7071 10140.5 14070.5AA7HS    AAHS
Steve in Yakima (#APL.WA.USA.NA) 7069 or 7071 evenings 14.072.5
daysK7BUC    KBUC  Del in Phoenix (.AZ.USA.NA) 7071 10140
14071.5 14073.5 14074 21073.5 day 3627 7071 10140 14071.5
14073.5 14074 nightK7SLI    KSLI  Jim in Marysville (.WA.USA.NA)
7073 day, 3629 eveningKA0JRQ   KJRQ  Larry in Glenwood (Omaha)
(.IA.USA.NA) 3622 7075.5 7071 10126 10130 14071.5 14074 14072.5
18105.5 21074 21071.5 24915 28.074KC7J     KKCJ  Ron in Tacoma
(.WA.USA.NA) 14069KD7UM    KDUM  Dave in Salt Lake City
(.#SLC.UT.USA.NA) 3623 3627 7073 7075 10127 10141 14069 14073
14077 21071 21075 28075 28127KE5HE    KEHE  Jim in Hearne
(College Station) (.#STX.TX.USA.NA) 3622 7068 7069 7071 10126
10128 10139.5 14070.5 14071.5 14072.5 14079.5 21072.5 24925
28125N0IA/7   NNIA  Bud in Las Vegas (.#SONEV.NV.USA.NA) 3625
3627 7069 7071 7072.5 10128 10139.5 10140.5 14070.5 14072.5
21072.5 21074 28070 28128N6EQZ    NEQZ  Ted sn Renton (Seattle)
(.#APL.WA.USA.NA) 3605.2 3629 7071 7073 10126 14068 14069 14071
14073 14075N7CR     NNCR   Rory in Spokane (.#SPOKN.WA.USA.NA)
3622 7069 7075.5 10126 10128 14070.5 14072.5 18105.5 21072.5
21079 24915 28073NA7P     NNAP  Greg in Edmonds (Seattle)
(.WA.USA.NA) 14069NZ2T/5   NNZT  Bob in Southlake (Dallas/Ft
Worth) (.#DFW.TX.USA.NA) 7071 (2a-10a Central Time) 7069 7071
7073 10129 10131 14069 14071 14073 14075 21073 21077 24915 28077
28129 (10a-2a)W0LVJ/7  WLVJ  Mike in Spanaway (.WA.USA.NA)
3605.37W2USA/7  WUSA  Ft. Lewis ARA, Fort Lewis (.WA.USA.NA)
28147.9W5KSI    WKSI  Angelo in New Orleans (.#NOLA.ZA.USA.NA)
14070 14070.5 14073.5 14074 14075 14077 14079 14080.5 day/night
21081 21079 21075 21074 28074 28075 dayW5VBO/7  WVBO  Brian in
Peoria (Phoenix) (.AZ.USA.NA) 3622 7069 10126 10128 14070.5
14071.5 14072.5 18102.5 18105.5 21072.5 24915 28074W7DCR    WDCR
 Gary in La Pine (.OR.USA.NA) 3622 7069 7075.5 10126 10127 10128
14069 14070.5 14072.5 18105.5 21072.5 21076 21079 24915
24925WA8DRZ/6 WDRZ  Craig in Redwood City (San Francisco)
(.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA) 10128 10129 14068.5 14069.5 14070.5 14071.5
14072.5 14073.5 14074.5 14075.5WB5UJO  WUJO  Hoppy in Marlin,
Texas (.TX.USA.NA) 7075WI7D    WWID  Jeff in Las Vegas
(.#SONEV.NV.USA.NA) 3621 3623 7069 7075 10129 10137 14069 14073
14077 18099 21073 21075 24925 28073 28077 28125Please send
comments/changes to WA8DRZ.ZCZC Nr 17061 Bulletin WA1URA
0827/0229ZAPLink U.S. East (24-Aug-92)BID APL_011These APLink
mailboxes in the Eastern continental United States operate24
hours a day (unless noted) on the mark carrier frequencies
listed.(Separate directories are published for other parts of
the world.)K1UOL    KUOL  Bob in Bethel (.CT.USA.NA)
14071.5K4CJX    KCJX  Steve in Nashville (.#MIDTN.TN.USA.NA)
3622 7068 7070.5 7072.5 7075.5 10126 10128 10139.5 14068 14069.5
14070 14072 14076 21074 21076 28128K4YZU    KYZU  Bill in
Louisville (.KY.USA.NA) 7069 7071 14069.5 14071.5 10140.5
10141.5 14079.5 21072.5K5CVD/4  KCVD  Jay in Windsor
(.#WIN.SC.USA.NA) 7070 7072 7074 10126 10128 70140KB1PJ    KBPJ
David in Boston (.NH.USA.NA) 3622 3625 10126 10128 18102.5
18105.5 24915 24925KK4CQ    KKCQ  Harvey in Pensacola
(.#PNSFL.FL.USA.NA) 7069 7070.5 7071 7072.5 7073.5 7075.5
14071.5 14072.5 14073.5 21072.5 21074.5 28125 28128N2JAW    NJAW
 Ron in Trenton (.NY.USA.NA) 3622 7071 7072.5 7075.5 10128
10140.5 14068 14071.5 14073.5 21072.5N3EXW    NEXW  Louis in
Rockville (.MD.USA.NA) 14070.5W2NRE    WNRE  Warren in Scarsdale
(.NY.USA.NA) 3820 7068 7070 7072 7074 10126 10128 10140 14070
14072W2TKU/4  WTKU  Al in Sarasota (.#SRQFL.FL.USA.NA) 3622 7070
7072 7076 10126 10128 10140 14066 14068 14070 14076 14078 21072
21074 21080W3GL     WWGL  Ralph in New Castle (.#APL.DE.USA.NA)
7071 7072.5 7075 7075.5 14068 14069 14071.5 14073.5W4NPX    WNPX
 Bob in Charlottsville (.VA.USA.NA) 7068 7070 7070.5 7072 7074
10126 10128 10140 14070 14072 14074W7IJ/8   WWIJ  Bill in
Cleveland (.#NEOH.OH.USA.NA) 3622 7071 10126 10128 14066 14069
14071.5 18105.5 21070W9MR     WWMR  Ken in Keensburg
(.#SEIL.IL.USA.NA) 3622 7070 7074 7076 10128 10140 14068 14070
18104 21072 21074 24925 28128WA1URA/9 WURA  Frank in Grabill
(Fort Wayne) (.IN.USA.NA) 3622 7071 7075.5 7076.9 10128 10139.5
10140.5 14068 14069 14070.5 14071.5 14073.5 14075 21076 21079
24925 28076.5WA9FCH/4 WFCH  John in Reston (.VA.USA.NA) 7070.5
7071 7072. 7075.5 10128 10139.5 10140.5 10140 14068 14070.5
14071.5 14072.5WA9WCN  WWCN  Bob in Lapel (Indianapolis)
(.IN.USA.NA) 3620 3622 7072 7074 10126 10128 10140 14066 14068
14070 14076 21072 21074 18104 24925Please send comments/changes
to WA8DRZ.ZCZC Nr 17058 Bulletin WA1URA 0827/0151ZAPLink
Americas (18-Aug-92)BID APL_008These APLink stations in North
and South America outside of the USABoperate 24 hours a day
(unless noted) on the mark caorier frequencieslisted.  (Separate
directories are published for other parts of theworld.)AA6VY/XE2
AAVY  Reg in Punta Banda, Mexico (.BCN.MEX) 21080 (1600-1900z
beam EU) 14078 (0400-0700z, zeam AIS)       (0000-0400,
0700-1600, 1900-2400z beam NA)AL7LS    ALLS   Bruce in Delta
Junction, Alaska (.AK.USA.NA) 14072.5CE3GDN   CGDN   Don in
Santiago, Chile (.#STG.CHL.SA) 21074 (or via TG9VT)HC5K     HHCK
 Ted in Cuenca, Ecuador (.ECU.SA) 21074 or 28047
(1200-0500z)KP4GE    KPGE  Ramon id aguas, Puerto Rico
(.PR.USA.CAR.NA) 14066 14067 14068 14069 14070 14071 14072 14073
14074 14075 14076 14077 14078 14079NH6VT    NHVT  Mark in
Waialua, Hawaii (.HI.USA.OC) 14069 14070.5 14071.5 14072.5 14075
21076 21079 28074 (1600z-0500z NA, 0500z-1200z AUS/NZL/PHL4
1200-1600z JPN/CHN/KOR)TG9VT    TGVT  John in Guatemala City,
Guatemala (.GTM.NA) 7068.5 10128 10140.6 14068 14069 14074
18105.5 21070 21072 21074 24915 28074VE3PAO   VPAO  Peter in
West Hill (Toronto), Ontario (.#SCON.ON.CAN.NA) 7070 0000-0400z
14070 0400-2400zVE6PD    VEPD  Joe in Lethbridge, Alberta
(.AB.CAN.NA) 10126 10128 10139.5 10140 14069 14070.5 14076
21072.5 21076 28075VE7CTJ   VCTJ  John in Squamish, British
Columbia (.#SQU.BC.CAN.NA) 7072 14072.5VE7DYT   VDYT  Dave in
Port Alice, British Columbia (.#NWVI.BC.CAN.NA) 7073
(0700-0300z) 3629 (0300-0700z)VO1BBS   VBBS  Hugh in Seal Cove,
Newfoundland (.NF.CAN.NA) 14068.5ZF1GC    ZFGC  Frank in Bodden
Town, Grand Cayman Island (#GC.CYM.CAR.NA) 14070.5 14071.5
14072.5 14073.5 14074.5 14075.5 14076 21080Please send
comments/changes to WA8DRZ.------------------------------Date:
15 Sep 1992 23:26:57 -0700From:
[e-mail]: FLEXNET network software.To:
[e-mail] Request from Ralf Wichary
'[e-mail]'Can all interested users of the Flexnet
system that have requestedinfo for software or have written to
the group and never recieved a replyto mail him, he will then
chase up the group to mail out info'sWill the hams that mailed
me asking for info last month please direct yourcomments to
Ralf.. once again. thanks.
barry.------------------------------Date: 15 Sep 92 17:06:52
GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.
ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnews![e-mail]:
Help: IC271/471 on 9600 Baud packetTo:
[e-mail]    Looking for information on how to direct
connect to the modulatorand detector of the ICOM 271/471 for
running 9600 Baud FSK packet on the ham satellites?  I will be
using the TAPR 9600 Baud modem kit.    Also looking for any mods
that might improve the 9600 Baudperformance of these
radios.    Please reply directly to me at address below.                            Dave
Woolf                            (K8RSP @ W8CQK)------------------------------Date:
15 Sep 92 12:25:13 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!bu.edu!wang![e-mail]: Inspector
for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)To:
[e-mail]@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)
writes:>In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Tervo Vesa (OH3NWQ)) writes:>|> INSPECTOR for
FBB mailbox v.920814:>|> ----------------------------------->|>
What it does:>|> ------------->|> >|> With this programme you
can find messages that contain obsene words>|> or where somebody
tries to sell or buy something on ham radio (illegal>|> in most
parts of Europe).>Oh geez. I've been waiting for somebody to try
this, because it's>certain to create an escalating
measure-countermeasure war (and>[...]>I'd also be interested in
knowing how this program can be legally sent>over amateur radio
given that it must contain a list of the "seven>dirty words"
that cannot be used over ham radio. Even if they're>encoded in
something other than plain text, the rules do ban language
^^^^^^^>that is obscene *in meaning*, no matter what form it
takes...>Phil...and codes and ciphers are prohibited too (97.113
(d))!Dave(or should I say:#######     #    ##    #    #  #######
    #   #  #   #    #  ##     #  #    #  #    #  ######     #
######  #    #  ##     #  #    #   #  #   #######   #    #    ##
   ######?)-- Dave Bushong, Wang Laboratories, Inc.Project
Leader, OCR productsInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 16 Sep 92
05:45:10 GMTFrom:
sun-barr!sh.wide!wnoc-kyo!astemgw!astem-news![e-mail]
bject: Inspector for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes: |66 6f 72 20 73 61 6c 65 0a!I like this
:-)Another one: .._. ___ ._.   ... ._ ._.. . ..__.. .... . .
.... . .// Kenji, JJ1BDX/3// I am against censorship
activities------------------------------Date: 16 Sep 1992
00:12:25 GMTFrom: ucsd.edu![e-mail]:
Internet/Packet gateway policy?To: [e-mail]
internet/packet gateway policy can be briefly and succinctly
summedup as   1) the internet doesn't care   2) it's your
licence            - Brian------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Sep
1992 03:01:23 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!bt
[e-mail]: Internet/Packet gateway
policy?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
writes:>The internet/packet gateway policy can be briefly and
succinctly summed>up as>>   1) the internet doesn't care>   2)
it's your licence>            - BrianI don't see what this sums up.  What
would be useful would be a summary ofrecent problems with
gateways and their resolutions.kb8cne, Brad Banko-- Brad Banko;
Dept of Physics;  U of Illinois;  [e-mail],
KB8CNE===========================================================
==============    Tatiana Gutsu for
President!------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992
23:46:01 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!wupost!darwin.sura.net!convex!constellation!bateman@ne
twork.UCSD.EDUSubject: Packet BBS under UNIX ??To:
[e-mail] running a Packet BBS under UNIX ??I
have been running W0RLI's software under DOS/DesqView for about
four years.  I would like to load UNIX on my 386(Linux,
specifically) but I don't want to have to take theBBS down.  Any
words of advice from someone who is (or has) actually doing
this?Thanks!Monte--==============================================
=================================Monte Bateman, WB5RZXPhysics
Ph.D. Candidate at The University of Oklahoma & The National
Severe Storms Laboratory, Norman, OK! InterNet: bateman @
nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.eduPacket Radio: WB5RZX @
WB5RZX.OK.USA.NOAM------------------------------Date: 15 Sep 92
11:28:45 GMTFrom:
news.cs.indiana.edu!syscon!gator!towers!bluemoon![e-mail]
Subject: Packet DX?To: [e-mail][e-mail] (Jon
Vander Hill) writes:> > I like what I hear about packet and am
seriously looking at putting a> packet rig together.  What sort
of DX opportunities are there with> packet?  How does it compare
with more traditional phone or CW DX-ing> on HF?> > Jon Vander
Hill, N8PAP> [e-mail] find it slower than novice cw, and
most stations areautomatic and do not answer calls. Gerry
[e-mail]@bluemoon.rn whose home bbs has trouble
getting the mail out sometimes, so it may go here
instead.------------------------------Date: 15 Sep 92 12:55:14
GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!bu.edu!transfer!scottsdale
[e-mail]: QuestionTo:
[e-mail] all,    Sorry if this is not the place to
post my question but it's a start.I have a friend into ham radio
who I think might be into this packet thing. The  reason I think
this is because once while I was at his home looking at all of
his gear, I watched him turn on an old TV and do a couple of
other things and  when the TV warmed up, there was a message
coming accross the screen he said  was from another ham.Q1) If
this was a packet radio setup he had, how can I reach him? I do
know his       call sign.Q2) Assuming he is reachable, can it be
done through internet?Q3) If I am on the wrong newsgroup, could
someone direct me to the correct one?Please accept my apology
for being ignorant on the subject, and thanks in  advance for
any information
provided.********************************************************
**Scott ColbathStratus ComputerPhoenix, Az.
[phone]Internet:[e-mail]***************
*******************************************----------------------
--------Date: 15 Sep 1992 17:36:54 -0700From:
[e-mail]: TPK (FBB Terminal Program)To:
[e-mail] anyone have a copy of TPK the FBB User
Terminal Program? I have a Frenchcopy, but since I don't read,
French, it isn't much help. The docs in English,would be
[e-mail]------------------------
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#252******************************Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 04:30:03
PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #253To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
17 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 253Today's Topics:
Alinco DR 112 and AEA PK232: It always stops working...
               Baycom - AX25 - TCP                        Baycom
- AX25 - TCPIP                 Error Correcting Scheme Help
Sought                  Inspector for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)
    Looking for info on Granger Associates (2 msgs)
         Multi Mode Tnc For Sale                  TCP/IP Address
Coordinator for VA              TFPCX.ZIP: English
documentation? (2 msgs)                      TPK (fbb terminal
program)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 18:48:40 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!amsun.apm
a.Virginia.EDU![e-mail]: Alinco DR 112 and
AEA PK232: It always stops working...To:
[e-mail] anyone know if a special cable is
required to connect an Alinco DR 112to an AEA PK232?I
constructed a cable as described in the PK232 manual for the DR
110 -which is just a straight-through cable.Everything worked
fine for several weeks until one day the radio stoppedworking.
It would neither receive nor transmit (the 'on air' notice
didshow up, but the 'power out bar graph' did not indicate any
power out.I double checked everything, including the antenna -
it all looked fine.I disconnected the TNC and hooked up the mic
and still nothing worked.The next morning the radio worked fine
with the mic but as soon as thePK232 was connected and tried to
transmit the radio stopped working.The radio went to the shop,
and after sitting around for a week it wasfinially examined.
Needless to say everything worked fine.I got it back last week
and it worked fine both on voice and on packet;until last night.
 This morning it worked again with the mic but as soonas the TNC
was hooked up it stopped working.I'm beginning to think that the
cable for the DR 112 might be differentthan the one for the DR
110.  Or perhaps something is wrong with my PK232.Any help would
be greatly appreciated.Jonathan [e-mail]--
*================================================================
===========*| Jonathan Senning       Ham: KD4GAG      Internet:
[e-mail]      || Dept. of Applied Math, Univ. of Va.
  UUCP:     ..!uunet!virginia!jrs2p
|*===============================================================
============*------------------------------Date: 17 Sep 92
04:51:24 GMTFrom: frc.maf.govt.nz![e-mail]:
Baycom - AX25 - TCPTo: [e-mail]>Is anyone out there
using an 8086 at 8 mhz and successfully operating>the ax25
driver with GRINOS, to use the TCM3105 (Baycom style) modem>for
TCP/IP on two meters?  I am getting strange sounding packets
and>only ocassionally does a packet come in correctly.  I am
assuming that my>slow - old computer is the prime cause.  Sure
wish someone could tell>me different.     Carty KA2Y
cellis@brock1p or cellis@brockvmaA local ham here tried this and
reckons an 8 MHz 8086 does not havethe grunt to do it. Sounds
plausible, my experience is that to runPA0GRI V1.7 properly on
my XT (with a KISS TNC) I must put it in 10MHz 'Turbo' mode. I
think you'll be pushing it on an XT.Cheers, Wilbert
ZL2BSJ.------------------------------Date: 16 Sep 1992 11:49:14
-0700From: [e-mail]: Baycom - AX25 -
TCPIPTo: [e-mail] anyone out there using an 8086
at 8 mhz and successfully operatingthe ax25 driver with GRINOS,
to use the TCM3105 (Baycom style) modemfor TCP/IP on two meters?
 I am getting strange sounding packets andonly ocassionally does
a packet come in correctly.  I am assuming that myslow - old
computer is the prime cause.  Sure wish someone could tellme
different.     Carty KA2Y    cellis@brock1p or
cellis@brockvma------------------------------Date: Thu, 17 Sep
1992 03:42:06 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!nuscc!iti
.gov.sg![e-mail]: Error Correcting Scheme
Help SoughtTo: [e-mail], In packet radio
networks, it would seem reasonable to expect short burstyand
some random errors to occur during transmission.I understand
that the Reed Solomon scheme is good for correcting longbursty
errors, but not efficient for correcting random errors, but
stillis apparently the error correcting scheme to use these
days?I am wondering which scheme I could use to be able to
handle BOTHshort bursty and random errors (to be used as an FEC
scheme) for packetradios.  I prefer replies to me directly as
opposed to posting here onthis
newsgroup.Thanks,>Dennis.------------------------------Date:
Wed, 16 Sep 1992 19:37:34 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hplextra!hpl-opus!hpnmdla![e-mail]
D.EDUSubject: Inspector for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)To:
[e-mail] rec.radio.amateur.packet,
[e-mail] (Kenji Rikitake) writes:>// I am against
censorship activitiesBan pro-censorship messages!:=)  AL
N1AL------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992
15:14:47 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!newsun!news@netwo
rk.UCSD.EDUSubject: Looking for info on Granger AssociatesTo:
[e-mail] have a "Black Box" that I am trying to
figure out what it does.The label on it says:  ScanCom 6710 RME,
 Granger Associates.  It has  an ext. ant. connection, a db25
data connection, rx,tx,tc-data lights,  and external power
connection.   Can anyone give me a number to Granger, or tell me
what this thing  might be?------John Scherer778 Shetland Ct. San
Jose, CA  95127internet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Wed, 16
Sep 92 19:15:00 GMTFrom:
mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!mercury.cair.du.edu!diana.cair.du.edu!awinter
[e-mail]: Looking for info on Granger AssociatesTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:>I have a "Black Box" that I am trying to figure out what
it does.>The label on it says:  ScanCom 6710 RME,  Granger
Associates.  It has  >an ext. ant. connection, a db25 data
connection, rx,tx,tc-data lights,  >and external power
connection.   >>Can anyone give me a number to Granger, or tell
me what this thing  >might be?>>------>John Scherer>778 Shetland
Ct. >San Jose, CA  95127>>internet: [e-mail], it's
obvious. It's a Sports Data Radio.  You plug in an antenna,apply
power, and tune to the nearest sporting event being
broadcast.Sports data are automatically collected and
transmitted via the db25data connection to your computer for
storage and analysis. :-).-- Art Winterbauer  N0OQSInternet:
[e-mail] OR [e-mail]:    awinterb
@ N0OQS.#NECO.CO.USA------------------------------Date: 16 Sep
92  09:16:00From:
ucivax!ofa123![e-mail]: Multi
Mode Tnc For SaleTo: [e-mail]                1989
version of the AEA PK232 TNC   $180.00        This an assembled
Heathkit.  I built it and used it with a        shortwave radio
only.  I am not a HAM.        Sends and recieves Morse, Baudot,
and ASCII RTTY, black and        white facsimile (WEFAX),
AMTOR/SITOR, AX.25 packet radio.        Eprom upgradable to
latest AEA configurations.  (MBX)        Includes:       AEA
PCPAKRATT & PKFAX software                        assembly,
user, and technical manuals                        computer -
TNC - printer cable                        (2) radio interface
cables                        12 volt 1 amp power supply
I would prefer to sell this TNC to an Orange County Calif.
 HAM in a face to face deal.  Leave message here or call my
  machine at [phone].  Would consider trade for .28
VGA.___ X SLMR 2.1a X Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry
(P)anic--- Maximus 2.00------------------------------Date: 16
Sep 92 11:51:47 GMTFrom:
pa.dec.com!engage.pko.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!sousa.ltn.dec.com
!bobseg.enet.dec.com![e-mail]: TCP/IP
Address Coordinator for VATo: [e-mail] would like
to bring up a TCP/IP subnet on packet radio in my area.
Theaddress coordinator for Virginia (Not DC) has apparently
moved and I havenot been able to identify his new address or
replacement.If anyone can assist me in locating the TCP/IP
address coordinator for thestate of Virginia I would very much
like to hear from you.Thanks in advance.......KD4PWUCulpeper,
VA--Bob
[e-mail]------------------------------D
ate: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 12:50:27 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!nic.umass.edu!hamp.hampshire.edu!awoodhull@networ
k.UCSD.EDUSubject: TFPCX.ZIP: English documentation?To:
[e-mail] docs for TFPCX.ZIP?Does anyone have
an English translation of the German documentation forTFPCX.ZIP?
This package was posted on UCSD.EDU and seems to be
anotherpacket driver to allow the BayCom modem to be used with
NOS.Albert S. Woodhull  School of Natural Science, Hampshire
College, Amherst, MA 01002413-549-4600 ext 581 (office),
413-549-4740 (home)[e-mail],
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
16 Sep 92 22:33:43From:
mcsun!news.funet.fi!ajk.tele.fi!funic!nntp.hut.fi!nntp!tpmannin@u
unet.uu.netSubject: TFPCX.ZIP: English documentation?To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:>   English docs for
TFPCX.ZIP?>   Does anyone have an English translation of the
German documentation for>   TFPCX.ZIP? This package was posted
on UCSD.EDU and seems to be another>   packet driver to allow
the BayCom modem to be used with
NOS.------------------------------Date: 16 Sep 1992 15:21:43
-0700From: [e-mail]: TPK (fbb terminal
program)To:
[e-mail]:    HUTIN@ASL@PSI%ASLVX6@MRGATE@SNMRTRTo:
"[e-mail]"@M_INTERNET@MRGATE@SNMRTR@SNMRTRA new
version of the TPK terminal software for f6fbb BBS should be
releasedin a few days. This version will include multilanguage
capabilitiesand an english documentation.I 'll put the version
on an ftp site as soon as i'll get it.Remi
W5/[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
(null)From: (null)  Das TFPCX dient nicht zum Betrieb mit TNCs
im KISS-Mode (z.B. PK232)  oder  TCP/IP-Software  und  l{uft nur
auf  IBM-kompatiblen  PCs.  Im  ersten  Fall  kann das TFPCR
(DL1MEN) verwendet werden,  im  zweiten  Fall  hilft der Packet
Driver AX25DRV f~r  BayCom-kompatible  Modems  von Pawel
Jalocha.A rough translation:  The TFPCX is not intended to be
used with TNCs in KISS-mode (eg. PK232)  nor with
TCP/IP-software and it runs only on PCs that are IBM-compatible.
 In the first case the TFPCR by DL1MEN can be used, and in the
second case  the AX25DRV by Pawel Jalocha should be of help.If I
have understood right, the problem with TFPCX is that it
emulatesa TNC in HOST-mode and NOS requires KISS-mode.Hope this
was useful.73 de TomiPS. Sorry if there is errors or my
translation isn't very accurate.    Neither German nor English
is my mother tongue.PS/2. I don't know if there is a English
translation of the whole doc-file.      And I'm NOT going to
make one with these skills...
:)--------------------------------------------------------------T
omi-Pekka Manninen             Email:
[e-mail]2BNS                          Packet:
[e-mail]---------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------Date: 16 Sep 92
14:30:36 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!gatec
h!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!sun13![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] (John Murray)Subject : Re: Inspector
for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Kenji Rikitake) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:> |66 6f 72 20 73 61 6c 65 0a!>>I like this
:-)>>Another one: .._. ___ ._.   ... ._ ._.. . ..__.. .... . .
.... . .Attempts like this are bound to fail. How about this
one:"Fun queue. Ah! Sole!"That's what Schwarzenegger *really*
said in Terminator I.. Or, gee, maybeit was something overheard
while waiting for a table at a seafood restaurant?..I've got a
boat. Four sail. Ten thousand dolors.....-- Disclaimer: Opinions
mine. Brainless, knee-jerk reactions are your problem.John R.
Murray [e-mail]  | Hello, I am a damaged
.signatureSupercomputer Computations Research Inst| virus. Copy
me into yours, andModerator comp.graphics.research        | join
in the !rm -rf un *;A#$!&zQ
*^P%o------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992
16:35:43 GMTFrom:
qualcom.qualcomm.com!servo.qualcomm.com![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Inspector for F6FBB bbs
(M_FILTER)In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (John Murray) writes:>I've got a boat.
Four sail. Ten thousand dolors.....Touche! I was so busy
thinking up clever ways to evade this thing, Icompletely forgot
that its biggest problem is that the average hamcan't spell or
type worth a 64 61 6d 6e (don't want *this* to getfiltered
out!!) :-)I can see it now...serious papers at the ARRL Computer
NetworkingConference on a filter with "ROT-13" functionality for
ham radio.Incompatible, of course, with anything outside
ham-radio. Then someonewill discover the "plain text cipher"
programs that appear onsci.crypt occasionally. The ones that
encode encrypted information inwhat appears to be the running
commentary from a baseball game. Or aswritings by the author
Senator Biden plagiarized in his youth. :-)(Senator Biden of
Delaware sponsored some ill-fated legislation inearly 1991 that
would have restricted or prohibited the private use
ofcryptography over common carrier
facilities.)Phil------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Sep
1992 18:47:49 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!bt
[e-mail]: [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>pSubject : Re:
Internet/Packet gateway policy?In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Gary Sanders) writes:>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Bradley T Banko) writes:>>In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
writes:>>>The internet/packet gateway policy can be briefly and
succinctly summed>>>up as>>>>>>   1) the internet doesn't
care>>>   2) it's your licence>>>            - Brian>>>>I don't see what
this sums up.  What would be useful would be a summary
of>>recent problems with gateways and their resolutions.>>I
though Brian summed things up very well.....  Do what you want
to do>with the gateway.  but keep in mind the RF side of the
gateway is>where the FCC would be visiting.How "anthropomorphic"
of you.  Thanks very much.  Now I understand.Now why would the
FCC be visiting?  And what would they be visiting?(You "though"
wrong.  I'm not looking for trite answers... I'm asking forreal
experience, so don't bother responding if you have nothing more
to add.)>>-- >Gary W. Sanders [e-mail],
72277,1325>N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address
coordinator]>HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice:
614-895-2552 (eves/weekends)KB8CNE, Brad BankoKB8CNE, Brad
Banko-- Brad Banko;  Dept of Physics;  U of Illinois;
[e-mail]=================================================
========================Tatiana Gutsu for President!
        73 de kb8cne @
n9lnq.il------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92
11:41:35 GMTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!n8emr![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Internet/Packet
gateway policy?In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Bradley T Banko) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
writes:>>The internet/packet gateway policy can be briefly and
succinctly summed>>up as>>>>   1) the internet doesn't care>>
2) it's your licence>>            - Brian>>I don't see what this sums up.
 What would be useful would be a summary of>recent problems with
gateways and their resolutions.I though Brian summed things up
very well.....  Do what you want to dowith the gateway.  but
keep in mind the RF side of the gateway iswhere the FCC would be
visiting.-- Gary W. Sanders [e-mail],
72277,1325N8EMR @ N8JYV (ip addr) 44.70.0.1 [Ohio AMPR address
coordinator]HAM BBS 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/V.32/PEP) Voice:
614-895-2552 (eves/weekends)------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #253******************************Date:
Fri, 18 Sep 92 04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #254To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Fri,
18 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 254Today's Topics:
              BayCom and NOS?                  Change of mail
address. WNOS-Group              Downloadable reference for
AX.25 protocol?                      gb2rs 20th september 1992
                    help/gpsnos/g8bpq/aa4re
    Inspector for FBB                    Internet/Packet Gateway
Policy                   Internet/Packet gateway policy?
                One more beginer...                       Packet
BBS under UNIX ??                               Question
              Some Packet Policy Info                      When
does SAREX log a QSO?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 17 Sep 1992 11:30:19 -0700From:
[e-mail]: BayCom and NOS?To:
[e-mail]--    I was wondering where I can get a KISS
emulator for my BayCommodem so that I can run tcp/ip.  Tim
Czerwonka,
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 17
Sep 1992 07:51:02 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Change of mail address. WNOS-GroupTo: [e-mail]
to inform the change of mail address of the WNOS-Info-Users
groupnews letter is now on a Listserv
'[e-mail]'thanks..
barry..------------------------------Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992
19:26:26 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!hplvec![e-mail].
EDUSubject: Downloadable reference for AX.25 protocol?To:
[e-mail]> In rec.radio.amateur.packet,
[e-mail] (Brian Kantor) writes:>>
[e-mail] (Ted Cline) writes:> >Is there a file
I can download to tell me the meanings of the text> >inside the
< >'s below (I think I'm asking for a downloadable reference>
>for the AX.25 protocol.  Maybe inside a program's doc
file??):>> No, the AX.25 protocol isn't available on line.  You
can buy a copy of> the spec from the ARRL for $8.Apparently not
true; the protocol is online.  Two kind readers providedme with
a 65Kbyte AX.25 protocol file which begins:>          AX.25
Amateur Packet-Radio Link-Layer Protocol>
Version 2.0  October 1984> > > 2.  AX.25 Link-Layer Protocol
Specification> > 2.1  Scope and Field of Operation> >         In
 order  to  provide  a  mechanism  for  the   reliable>
transport  of  data  between  two  signaling  terminals,  it
is> necessary  to define a protocol that can accept and deliver
data> over a variety of types of communications links.  The
AX.25 Link-> Layer  Protocol is designed to provide this
service,  independent> of any other level that may or may not
exist.-----> I will email the file to others upon _direct_ email
request.Thanks to all for their help!----Ted Cline, N0RQV
            VXI Systems Divisiontcline@hpislx
   Hewlett-Packard, M/S [e-mail]
 815 14th Street SWVOICE: [phone]               P.O. Box
301FAX:   [phone]               Loveland, CO  80537
USA------------------------------Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 00:47:24
+0000From: pipex!demon!tedb.demon.co.uk![e-mail]:
gb2rs 20th september 1992To: [e-mail] morning.
It's Sunday the 20th of September and here is the GB2RS
newsbroadcast, prepared by the Radio Society of Great
Britain.First the headlines:-The RSGB HF Convention is next
weekend; the GAM1 beacon tests were a success;and we have the
winners of the RSGB 70MHz Cumulative Contest.The highlight of
the HF DXer's year takes place next weekend: The
RSGBInternational HF and IOTA Convention is on Saturday the 26th
and Sunday the27th of September at the ICL Beaumont Conference
Centre, Old Windsor,Berkshire. This is a new venue.Over 100 DX
amateurs from more than 20 countries, including the CIS,
areplanning to visit the UK to attend the Convention which
starts on the Saturdayat 0915 with talks and lectures on the
RSGB's popular Islands On the Air(IOTA) Award programme. A DX
Dinner will be held on the Saturday night.On Sunday, a full
lecture programme includes well-known personalities PeterHart,
Mike Grierson, Peter Chadwick and Ross Clare, covering HF
technicalissues such as transceiver performance and
construction, SWR and linearamplifiers. EMC will be discussed by
Robin Page-Jones, the HF Contest Forumwill tell you how to win
HF NFD, HF trophies will be presented, and the latestcontest
logging software will be on show. The UK DX Packet Cluster Group
willbe demonstrating how to use this DX Information system and
David Rowley fromStrumech will talk about selecting and using
your tower safely.There will be the opportunity to try on air
the latest HF equipment and thecurrent versions of DX software.
The lecture stream includes talks onexpeditions to the Pacific,
the Indian Ocean and Clipperton. There will alsobe an RSGB
Bookstall, and tea and coffee is free. Overnight accommodation
isavailable. For full details, see the September edition of
Radio Communication,page 15, or contact Bob Whelan, G3PJT, on
0223 263137.Next the results of the RSGB 70MHz Cumulative
contests held on five daysduring January, February and March
1992. The Open Section was won by G4ZTR/Pwith 2881 points and
the runner-up was EI2CA/P with 2709 points. In the
SingleOperator Fixed section G4ASR won with 2712 points, with
G4SEU coming secondwith 2566 points. Congratulation to all
concerned. The full results will bepublished in Radio
Communication just as soon as space permits.The tests of the
RSGB's high power propagation data beacon, GAM1, proved to
besuccessful. Thanks to all of those who sent in reports from
all over thecountry. The Morse speed raised many comments as it
was 18 words per minute,which is faster than will be used when
the station is put in service, but thiswas done to test the
keying system.News now of a vacancy on the RSGB's Training and
Education Committee. Thisposition is for an RSGB member involved
in, or interested in, the training andeducational aspects of
amateur radio. The committee meets five or six times ayear,
mainly in Cardiff. Interested parties should contact the
Chairman JohnCase, GW4HWR, whose address is correct in the RSGB
Call Book.Now some items of HF DX news from the weekly RSGB DX
News Sheet which isedited by Brendan McCartney, G4DYO. From the
Bahamas, the special call C6A500{Newsreaders, this is five
hundred} will be aired by the Bahamas Amateur RadioSociety
throughout the month of October to celebrate the discovery of
the NewWorld by Christopher Columbus. All members of the BARS
may append /500 totheir callsign during October. From Ecuador,
HC3AP will be active on 80 metresdaily until the end of
September. Operating times are from 0000 to 0500 GMTaround the
frequency 3780 to 3800kHz. During next weekend check 7030
to7050kHz on CW and 7085kHz on RTTY. From Mariana Islands,
JR6IQI and JK6UERwill sign as KH0/ own call from today until
Tuesday the 22nd, on the 160 to 6metre bands, using CW and SSB.
From Moldavia, the special callsign RO0Q willbe active during
international RTTY contests.Rally news now, and we know of two
events for today Sunday the 20th.The Centre of England Autumn
Radio Computer and Electronics Rally is beingheld at the
National Motorcycle Museum, Bickenhill, near the
NationalExhibition Centre, off junction 6 of the M42. Doors open
at 10.30am, or10.00am for disabled visitors. The event features
over 60 tables. Refreshmentswill be available and there is a
large parking area. Talk-in will be onchannel S22.The East of
England Radio Rally is being held at the ICI Building, East
ofEngland Showground, Peterborough. Doors open at 10.30am, or
10.00am fordisabled visitors. There are trade stands, a bring
and buy stall and aradio-and-electronic car boot sale.
Refreshments are available.There are two events for next Sunday
the 27th of September.The Harlow Amateur Radio Rally is to be
held at the Harlow Town Sports Centre,Hammarskjold Road, off
Fifth Avenue, Harlow. There is easy access off the M11Motorway
at junction 7, the A414. The venue will be signposted from
thislocation. Doors will open at 10.30am and the event features
traders, largebring and buy and special interest groups. There
is on-site parking with fullfacilities for disabled visitors and
refreshments will be available. Talk-inby G6UT is on channels
S22 and SU22 . Further details can be obtained bytelephoning
0279 432306 during the day and 0279 722569 during evenings
andweekends.The North Wakefield Amateur Radio Club Radio Rally
will be held at the OutwoodGrange School, Outwood, Wakefield.
the school is located one mile from the M1and M62. Doors will
open at 11.00am and the event features trade stands, abring and
buy stall and repeater group and Novice stands. Refreshments
will beavailable and talk-in will be on channel S22. Further
details can be obtainedfrom G4RCG by telephoning 0924
362144.Contest news next:Next Wednesday the 23rd, the third of
the RSGB QRS Cumulative contests takesplace from 1900 to 2000
GMT. These events feature slow Morse and furtherdetails can be
found in July's RadCom. During next weekend, Saturday the
26thand Sunday the 27th, two overseas contests are scheduled to
run, the SAC SSBand the CQ WW RTTY The next RSGB VHF event is
the 144MHz CW Cumulative whichruns from 1930 to 2200 GMT on
Thursday the 1st of October. See June RadCom forfurther
details.Repeater news now:The Leicester Repeater group have lost
the use of their three repeaters,GB3CF, GB3LE and GB3GV and the
beacon GB3LEX, due to vandalism at the site.They will be off-air
until further notice and there will be no GB2RSbroadcasts from
the site until GB3CF returns to service.And now the solar
factual data:The period 7th to 13th September has seen
considerable flare activity,together with a major magnetic storm
and aurora. A major outbreak of flareactivity, which started on
the 5th of September, has continued throughout theperiod with 13
M type flares, some being up to M7.1/2B. Sun spot counts
haveremained surprisingly low and meaned at only 82. The solar
flux levels werereasonably steady all the period and averaged
122 units. The geomagnetic Apactivity steadily increased from
the 6th with unsettled levels of 17 units, upto major storm
levels of 90 units, about K8, by the 10th. There were
numerousionospheric disturbances and geomagnetic sudden storm
commencements, some verymarked with sudden impulses up to 52
nanoTeslas at Boulder. The storm finallyended at 1500 hours on
the 11th. Levels declined to very quiet on the 12th and13th was
down to only 3 units. There was a small aurora on the 9th, with
amuch bigger one on the 10th. The state has been very disturbed
every day, upto the 12th when it dropped to nil. The radio
quality indices dropped to verypoor over the period, with the
Fort Collins and Tokyo circuits being down toextremely low
levels. However, by the 12th, levels were returning to
normal.The aa indices as supplied by the British Geological
Survey for the period 1stto 7th September were unsettled with
the daily averages for the week being39.3 nanoTeslas. However,
the 3rd was very disturbed with periods up to 116nanoTeslas.Now
the ionospheric data for England and Wales:This week we are
short of some data. However the F2 daytime criticalfrequencies
at Slough, as reported by Appleton, for the period 7th to
10thSeptember averaged 7.0MHz. Levels dropped to only 5.7MHz on
the 10th. Thedarkness hour lows averaged 2.0MHz.Now the
ionospheric data for the north:The F2 daytime critical
frequencies at Irkutsk averaged 6.7MHz and thedarkness hour lows
1.9MHz.And lastly the solar forecast:This week, the quiet side
of the sun will be looking our way. Solar fluxlevels are
expected to be around the 90s. Geomagnetic levels are expected
todecline and be about just unsettled. Ionospheric MUFs on
north/south pathsduring daylight are expected to reach 24MHz,
and darkness hours lows 14MHz foreast/west circuits.And that is
the end of the solar information.Finally in the main news, the
licence issuing agency, SSL, has informed theSociety that as of
last Wednesday morning, the latest callsigns issued were inthe
G0 S K and G7 N R series, and Novice calls in the 2 0 A D and2 1
B C series. .You're listening to GB2RS, the news broadcasting
service of the Radio Societyof Great Britain, transmitting in
the 80, 40, 6 and 2 metre
bands..------------------------------Date: 17 Sep 1992 05:11:34
-0700From: [e-mail]:
help/gpsnos/g8bpq/aa4reTo: [e-mail] are using
aa4re running over g8bpq...the aa4re connects node-to-node to
GRAPES-NOSsoftware running in a switch to connect to
anothernon-aa4re bbs for forwarding...Things go fine for a few
msgs (random number)until the GRAPES-NOS sends a ctl-z to the
aa4re andThe aa4re appears to never see it...the aa4re times
out...The aa4re appears to miss the ctl-z...Has anybody
experienced this?Does anybody have any suggestions?Many
thanks!cul/[e-mail]-----------------------------
-Date: 17 Sep 1992 17:03:58 -0700From:
[e-mail]: Inspector for FBBTo:
[e-mail] that many people don't like this
program.  In case people didn'tknow, WA8BXN put message
screening in MSYS over a year ago.  I installedthe M_FILTER
program on my FBB BBS, but not for censoring your
everydaymessage.  Being in Detroit, Michigan, we have our share
of nut cases. Peoplehave actually got on packet and sent
messages such as  "*uck *ou", I'm gonna kill you,    etc...
Amazing that people will get on packet and threaten to kill
someone or sue someone adn others will plainly start swearing
obscenities.     I removed most fo the words since I don't want
to stop or censormessages, but I will not allow a threat message
on my system. I could careless about most of the words though in
the list.      I also hate it when people get on the BBS from
other BBS's (other sysop's or remote sysop's) and start sending
nasty messages to my usersthat they are sending something
illegal.  I tell them to contact me orcontact the person
directly off of ham radio.  If you are looking forsomething
illegal you will eventually find something whether it's
illegalor not. If it is illegal then you will know, so the best
thing to do isjust let stuff pass and concentrate on building
better networks.Ron  N8FOW------------------------------Date: 17
Sep 1992 08:24:57 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Internet/Packet Gateway PolicyTo: [e-mail]>>I
though Brian summed things up very well.....  Do what you want
to do>>with the gateway.  but keep in mind the RF side of the
gateway is>>where the FCC would be visiting.>How
"anthropomorphic" of you.  Thanks very much.  Now I
understand.>>Now why would the FCC be visiting?  And what would
they be visiting?>(You "though" wrong.  I'm not looking for
trite answers... I'm asking for>real experience, so don't bother
responding if you have nothing more to add.)Oh, lighten up.I
don't think the answer is all that trite.  He means that the FCC
regulationsapply to the RF side of the link, so if the FCC
determines that you've sentor done something against
regulations, they may well pull your license.  Thatwould be your
problem, and yours alone.  The operator of the gateway
isn'tresponsible for what you do.The gateway operator is
responsible for his/her actions, though (hey! I "though"right!),
and isn't going to do anything that will cost his/her license,
and anypolicy on that gateway will reflect that (or the
operator's willingness to takerisks).It boils down to this:  you
take your risks, you accept your consequences, andyou are on
your own.Robert Zakary Scott HaneyPoet, Philosopher,
ProgrammerInternet: [e-mail]
            [e-mail]
   [e-mail]------------------------------Date: Thu,
17 Sep 92 06:42:27 EDTFrom: [e-mail] (Tadd
Torborg)Subject: Internet/Packet gateway policy?To:
[e-mail]  The gateways that I'm familiar
with are of two classes:  Only registered internet-side users
can send to packet.  Packeteers  cannot  get real time from the
gateway.  They can only send TO the   gateway via normal packet
mail or smtp.  If the packeteer gets  something FROM the gateway
it's because the gateway has the ham  as a registered user and
the mail is from a ham on internet  who is registered with the
sysop, or the sysop has specifically   authorised the message to
get through.  The other class of gateway is where the ham can
telnet or ftp  to systems across the gateway transparently.  It
is quite possible  in this situation for the ham to request
information, or get sent  information, that will pass over the
radio that violates FCC rules   (part 97).  If this happens
chances are that the FCC won't notice.  If this goes on for a
while and especially if it is public   knowledge that this is
going on what happens is that the amateur  radio community is
cheapened by it.  Eventually the US gov will  decide that they
don't need hams, like they don't need CBers.  I'm of the opinion
that we should strictly follow and respect  the FCC rules and
change them or request changes when we don't  believe that they
are fair or sensible.  ...  SInce I am typing this on the fly I
didn't want to type it into  the newsgroup directly.  You can
repost this if you want.     -Tadd Torborg, KA2DEW
[e-mail]     -KA2DEW @ N7IIJ.wa     Lynnwood
WA-- Brad Banko;  Dept of Physics;  U of Illinois;
[e-mail]=================================================
========================Tatiana Gutsu for President!
        73 de kb8cne @
n9lnq.il------------------------------Date: 17 Sep 1992 06:48:00
-0700From: [e-mail]: One more
beginer...To: [e-mail] friends,The first of all
I would like to say hello to all members of this list(I am a new
one). I am working as a Packet station only from half a yearso
we can say it is very begining. But I have a lot of fun after
all!At this moment I am working with small TNC manufactured by
DK9SJ from Germany.It is good but very simple only with basic
possibilities. This is the rison Iwill try to sell it in near
future and to buy next one (better I believe). Sothe question is
if there is someone who would like to sell any equipment (newor
second hand) or knows where I could buy it the best. Every
advise is welcomeI use two computers when I packet. These are
IBM386 (usualy with SP6 software)and Amiga 2000 (with AHP
software). I know these programs are not the only andprobably
not the best. Therefor I am looking for new programs for my
computers.After reading of this list I see that the most popular
program for Amiga isAMIGANOS but I think none of my friends has
this program. I wonder where canI get copy of it? There are so
many programs for MS-Dos that I think I willneed someone's
advise which one is the best.I am looking forward for any mail
to me. I hope this list will bring me a lotof new friends, best
numbers,Greg,  SP1WSNPO Box 137   Szczecin 5  70-965  POLANDB ITn

et address  GREG@PLSZUS11  (mail me direct
please!)------------------------------Date: 17 Sep 92 17:35:31
GMTFrom: olivea!hal.com!arasmith.com![e-mail]:
Packet BBS under UNIX ??To: [e-mail] bbs code
runs under UNIX, well SunOS. It uses sockets to
communicatebetween the tnc daemons and the bbs processes. It
could probably be portedto 386 based unix's. If you are willing
to help in this activity I'dbe open to sharing the
code.------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------Bob Arasmith   [e-mail] (work)
[e-mail] (home)   n0ary@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na
(packet)------------------------------Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92
08:46:31 EDTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-stat
e.edu!linac!att!att!fang!gator!towers!bluemoon![e-mail]
.EDUSubject: QuestionTo: [e-mail]> Q1) If this was
a packet radio setup he had, how can I reach him? I do know h>
  call sign.> > Q2) Assuming he is reachable, can it be done
through internet?>
**********************************************************>
Scott Colbath> Stratus Computer> Phoenix, Az.  [phone]>
Internet:[e-mail]>
**********************************************************It
probably was packet radio.  A typical packet radio address
ismine:  [e-mail]8EF is my call sign, W8CQK is the
callsign of the RBBS (RadioBulletin Board System) at which I am
registered to receive mypacket radio mail, OH is for Ohio where
W8CQK is, USA is forUnited States of America where Ohio is,  NA
is for North America,where USA is.  So you need to know which
RBBS he is registeredwith, and find a packet ham or landline to
packet radio inter-change.  There used to be WP (White Pages) on
some RBBS'sfrom which one could get the home RBBS for a known
callsign.73 (Best Regards) and GL (Good Luck)[e-mail]
whose home bbs has trouble getting the mail out sometimes, so it
may go here instead.------------------------------Date: Thu, 17
Sep 1992 15:48:18 GMTFrom:
swrinde!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiu
c.edu![e-mail]: Some Packet Policy
InfoTo: [e-mail] to Tadd for some helpful,
descriptive information about someip/ampr gateway
activities.kb8cne, Brad------------------------------Date: Thu,
17 Sep 1992 21:18:05 GMTFrom:
usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!orchard.la.locus.com!devnet.la.locus.com!d
[e-mail]: When does SAREX log a QSO?To:
[e-mail] attempting to QSO with the SAREX packet
robot yesterday, I logged aUA in response to my SABM (i.e. SAREX
ack'ed my connection request).However, it was late in the pass
and I received no further framesfrom the robot.Does SAREX log
the QSO just upon receipt of the SABM, or does onehave to send
something else?Dana--  * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ         | Views expressed
here are    * * [phone]         | mine and do not necessarily    * *
[e-mail]  DoD #466     | reflect those of my employer    * *
"Dammit Bones, spare me the lecture and give me the shot!"
*------------------------------Date: 17 Sep 92 07:23:37 GMTFrom:
gatech!emory!wa4mei!km4ba![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>OSubject : Re: Inspector
for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Phil Karn) writes:ASCII/hex filter
engaged......>can't spell or type worth a 64 ff ff 6e (don't
want *this* to getASCII/hex filter disengaged......  :-)or
should that be:   0x64 0xff 0xff 0x6e  ? Alan Barrow  km4ba |
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack jab@
       | ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched
hpuerca.atl.hp.com | C-beams glitter in the dark near the
Tannhauser gate. ..!gatech!kd4nc!   | All those moments will be
lost in time -         km4ba!alan | like tears in rain. Time to
die.          Roy Batty------------------------------Date: 17
Sep 92 16:29:21 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!sun13![e-mail]:
 [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To :
[e-mail] (John Murray)Subject : Re: Inspector
for F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (John Murray) writes:>>I've got a
boat. Four sail. Ten thousand dolors.....>>Touche! I was so busy
thinking up clever ways to evade this thing, I>completely forgot
that its biggest problem is that the average ham>can't spell or
type worth a 64 61 6d 6e (don't want *this* to get>filtered
out!!) :-)I? Misspell? Alas, Phil, you have wounded me! I was
talking about my boat,the one with four sails (yawl with double
jib forward? or what do you callthat ketch rig with a top boom
and a 4-sided mains'l, plus a tops'l?) and,with somewhat
creative grammer, referring to the pain and grief sufferedby ten
thousand people who (like me) wish they owned a boat like that!
:-)Point taken, however, about the seemingly rampant misspelling
surrounding'amature' radio. :-/-- Disclaimer: Opinions mine.
Brainless, knee-jerk reactions are your problem.John R. Murray
[e-mail]  | Hello, I am a damaged
.signatureSupercomputer Computations Research Inst| virus. Copy
me into yours, andModerator comp.graphics.research        | join
in the !rm -rf un *;A#$!&zQ
*^P%o------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #254******************************Date: Sat, 19 Sep 92
04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #255To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
19 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 255Today's Topics:
  Internet/Packet Gateway Policy (2 msgs)                Morse
Code Interpretation via software                 Pac-com Tiny 2
are they still made?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 14:58:32 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!clarkson!cheetah.ece.clarkson.edu![e-mail]
bject: Internet/Packet Gateway PolicyTo: [e-mail] I
do not accept that our responsabilities as amateur radio
operators includes that we can 'take risks' and push the law to
the limits at which we might get caught.  The most likely
conclusion of this kind of action is that we will lose legal
access to the spectrum all together. If you are happy with the
idea of operating outside the law, why do it on amateur spectrum
at all?  How likely is it that you'd be caught running links on
non-amateur UHF bands?  Please don't muck up the amateur
spectrum with your illegal activities.  I have much too much fun
doing things legally to have you all screw it up.           Tadd
Torborg, KA2DEW                  co-founder North East Digital Association
       chairman of the board Northwest Amateur Packet                          Radio
Association------------------------------Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992
17:04:01 GMTFrom:
swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.
com!news1.boi.hp.com![e-mail]:
Internet/Packet Gateway PolicyTo: [e-mail],Much
of what has been done on Packet Radio was done in absentia of
specific rulesfor dos and don'ts.  For example when I and few
others formed NEPRA, we weren't surewhether a 'digipeater'
qualified as a repeater under the rules, so we chose 145.01,a
simplex frequency in the repeater subband.  We followed the
rules the best we knewhow, but didn't wait for a bunch of rules.
 The same thing happened when I showed W0RLIa CP/M motherboard
which could be purchased cheaply from from Xerox Surplus, all of
a sudden we had a bunch of unattended, automatic systems on the
air.  Eventuallyrules caught up with the technology, but back
then we were pushing the envelopeof the current regulations.
The key, I believe is to keep within the spirit ofthe rules and
of Amateur Radio.  Use reasonable measures to insure compliance
and ifyou mess up, beg forgiveness and fix the specific
problem.John KD7UW[Founding member: NEPRA and NAPRA]-- John D.
Hays [KD7UW]           |Email: [UUCP]
...!hplabs!hpdmd48!jhaysFirmware Engineer              |
[INTERNET]              [e-mail] Printer Division
      |       [GEnie]                             HAYSBoise,
Idaho                   |       [Compu$erve]
72725,424------------------------------Date: 18 Sep 1992
16:05:20 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!udel!darwin.sura.net!convex!bcm!lib![e-mail].
EDUSubject: Morse Code Interpretation via softwareTo:
[e-mail]'s an interesting problem that I've
been pursuing in my spare time.I've got a computer program that
accepts audio input from a short wavereceivertuned to Morse code
broadcasts and converts it into a binary stream. Thedata is
collected at 60 samples a second where a "1" indicates a
signalamplitude above a certain threshold and "0" indicates an
amplitude belowthe same threshold.When displayed graphically,
the series of ones and zeros looks pretty muchlike hand-written
Morse code. Here's the interesting problem. Does anyoneknow of
an algorithm that can be used to convert the Morse code bit
streaminto ASCII text? Given that individuals transmit with
slightly differentspeeds and styles, is there an effective
algorithm for consistentlyconverting this data from its analog
representation to ASCII?Please respond through e-mail and I'll
post a summary to the
net.--_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
-_-_-_-_-_-Chuck Shotton                      |    Ass't
Director, Academic Computing |       "This space for rent."UT
Health Science Center Houston   |  [e-mail]
     |
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
-_-_-_-------------------------------Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992
20:21:19 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!wupost!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsm![e-mail]
Subject: Pac-com Tiny 2 are they still made?To:
[e-mail]    Hello     I am trying to find out information
about the Paccom (I think)Tiny 2 TNC. Are they still available?
Does anyone know the phone number?Are there other manufactures
of a pocket packet TNC? I am trying to put together a portable
packet station.        Thanks
    73                NK3O------------------------------Date: 18 Sep 92
12:25:59 GMTFrom: mcsun!uknet!acorn![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Inspector for
F6FBB bbs (M_FILTER)In article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Phil Karn) writes:>Incompatible, of course, with anything
outside ham-radio. Then someone>will discover the "plain text
cipher" programs that appear on>sci.crypt occasionally. The ones
that encode encrypted information in>what appears to be the
running commentary from a baseball game. Or as>writings by the
author Senator Biden plagiarized in his youth. :-)>(Senator
Biden of Delaware sponsored some ill-fated legislation in>early
1991 that would have restricted or prohibited the private use
of>cryptography over common carrier facilities.)Isn't
advertising (or flaming) in an encrypted message just a
littlecounterproductive ? Might it, perhaps, reduce the audience
slightly ?:-)-adrian-- Adrian Godwin : [e-mail] :
[e-mail] : g7hwn@gb7khwObDisclaimer  : I
believe this rubbish .. don't imagine that anyone else
does.------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #255******************************Date: Sun, 20 Sep 92
04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #256To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
20 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 256Today's Topics:
       Internet/Packet Gateway Policy
TCP/IP questions                     THENET X1G uploaded?
where?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 19 Sep 92 09:26:48 PDTFrom:
nwnexus!amc-gw!pilchuck!algedi![e-mail]:
Internet/Packet Gateway PolicyTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Tadd Torborg) writes:>  I do not
accept that our responsabilities as amateur radio operators>
includes that we can 'take risks' and push the law to the
limits>  at which we might get caught.  The most likely
conclusion of thisHOGWASH!Part of our responsibilities as
amateur radio operators is to pushtechnology to it's limits.  In
doing so it is oten necessary to pushthe "law to the limits".>
kind of action is that we will lose legal access to the spectrum
all>  together. If you are happy with the idea of operating
outside the law,>  why do it on amateur spectrum at all?  How
likely is it that you'd beAnd if all the worry-warts in the
world had their way, no one would doanything that had the
slightest risk.>  caught running links on non-amateur UHF bands?
 Please don't muck up>  the amateur spectrum with your illegal
activities.  I have much too>  much>  fun doing things legally
to have you all screw it up.Internet-packet gateways, newsgroup
and mail feeds to and from packet,FTP/TELNET to and from packet.
 I'm having to much fun with these tosubscribe to your rather
restrictive view.Ken, N7IPB   past president - Northwest Amateur
Packet Radio Association--73's,  KenW   W EEEEE TTTTT N    N
EEEEE TTTTT  : Ken KosterW   W E       T   NN   N E       T
:W W W EEEE    T   N N  N EEEE    T    :WW WW E       T   N  N N
E       T    :W   W EEEEE   T   N   NN EEEEE   T    : AMPR:
[e-mail] [44.24.0.45]
      :Washington Experimenters TCP NETwork  : UUCP:
algedi![e-mail]------------------------------Dat
e: Sat, 19 Sep 92 17:45:15 CETFrom:
mcsun!Germany.EU.net!open.de!teddy!germany!horga!ruhr.de!xenox!w.
open.de!unnet![e-mail]: TCP/IP questionsTo:
[e-mail] from Germany!I am very well
interested in Packet Radio, and tried some fewsteps with an old
C64 using this ax25 protocol.Can anybody explain, what TCP/IP is
and how it works. At the moment Idon't have a clue of it....Any
comments welcome...(please as pm because no regular access to
thisboard, thanks a lot)73 Thomas - Germany -
DL2ECK------------------------------Date: 19 Sep 1992 13:38:44
-0700From: [e-mail]: THENET X1G
uploaded? where?To:
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #256******************************Date:
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Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #257To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
21 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 257Today's Topics:
    Pac-com Tiny 2 are they still made?
Speed of Packet mailSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992 08:00:56 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!clarkson!cheetah.ece.clarkson.edu![e-mail]
bject: Pac-com Tiny 2 are they still made?To:
[e-mail],NK3O,  Bill Slack, NX2P, is a pac-comm
dealer.  I had his phone # convenient.  It's 1-201-729-6927.
Yes they still make the Tiny 2 and yes they  have a pocket size
packet rig.  Have fun!        73,
KA2DEW-Tadd------------------------------Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992
06:24:32 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!ubc-cs!new
s.UVic.CA!spang.Camosun.BC.CA!camins.camosun.bc.ca!comptec91006@n
etwork.UCSD.EDUSubject: Speed of Packet mailTo:
[e-mail] all...Just wondering about the
speed of Packet mail.  How long would it normallytake for a
message to (for example) travel from one side of the US to
theother?  I'm quite new to packet BTW...
                           /\/\ike
        VE7GRI@VE7VBB.#ISLAND.BC.CAN.NOAM  Responses preferred
at this
address->[e-mail]-----------------------
-------Date: 21 Sep 92 01:37:03 GMTFrom:
bobsbox.rent.com!spatula![e-mail]:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Reply-To : [e-mail] (Andreas
Meyer)Subject : Re: Inspector for F6FBB bbs
(M_FILTER)[e-mail] (Adrian Godwin) writes:> Isn't
advertising (or flaming) in an encrypted message just a little>
counterproductive ? Might it, perhaps, reduce the audience
slightly ?> :-)It just might make the remaining audience that
much more attentive.;-)Andy-- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE       If a
parsley farmer goes bankrupt, can [e-mail]
they garnish his wages? -- Bruce
Baum------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest V92
#257******************************Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 04:30:02
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Digest V92 #258To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
22 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 258Today's Topics:
                9600 Baycom?                   Internet Gateway
newsgroup cfd?                   Internet Gateway Policy (2
msgs)                 Pac-com Tiny 2 are they still made?
          Packet Fax - does it exist (yet)?
Packet Software for the Mac                           RF
interference                    Speed of Packet mail (2
msgs)Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 21 Sep 92 23:24:50 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!reed!henson!news.u.washingto
n.edu!serval!wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu![e-mail]:
9600 Baycom?To: [e-mail] anyone know of a 9600
baud baycom type modem?I just got my station up and already I
want more speed.  I was thinking ofgetting TAPR's modem and
hacking a serial port on to it, will that do thetrick?  I really
don't want to pay large amounts of money for it, but Iam willing
to do a bit of soldering and programming to make things work.
Thanks and 73Geoff
+--------------------------------------+-------------------------
-------------+|  Geoffrey Webb                       |
Internet: [e-mail]  ||  Systems
Analyst/Programmer II       |  Bitnet:   webbg@wsuvm1
  ||  Washington State University         |  Amprnet:
n7zrr@aa7gv..#wa.ampr.org ||  Pullman WA 99163
 |  Phone:    [phone]
|+--------------------------------------+------------------------
--------------+------------------------------Date: Tue, 22 Sep
1992 03:13:18 GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.
ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewsc!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com!wa2ise@
network.UCSD.EDUSubject: Internet Gateway newsgroup cfd?To:
[e-mail] doesn't take a rocket scientist to
figure out that the ham whose call isthe packet gateway would
have to be a moderator screening for dirty words andbusiness
rule violations.  But there are moderated newsgroups, so, if
onewere to limit the gated newsgroups to a small number, someone
could do that.E-mail: if one were to accept E-mail from only his
immediate area (not necessarly geographic), it might be a
do-able load.  Would there be any interest in creating a
newsgroup that would be fed from the packet network?  So
Internet newnews readers could see the stuffthat floats around
the ham packet net?  One packet BBS could be the source,and the
packet to internet direction would be automatic.  Anything
frominternet would have to be moderated.  This would be a
moderated newsgroup,then.  (No, I don't have the resources
myself. ): ).Call it rec.radio.amateur.bbs or some
such?------------------------------Date: 21 Sep 1992 05:56:46
-0700From: [e-mail]: Internet Gateway
PolicyTo: [e-mail],I'm not advocating breaking
regulations.  Far from it.  But there have been manysituations
where the regulations in some areas have be ambiguous when
applied tocertain technologies.  It is in these cases that we
push the law to its limits,as mentioned before.  It's not a
deliberate breaking of the regulations...it'smaking our best
guess as to how the regulations apply to what we are doing
inabsence of the FCC's direct clarification of the rules.
Sometimes the FCCagrees with us, sometimes it doesn't.  Whatever
way, we are responsible for whatwe did.This is not advocating
breaking the rules, simply stating that if you
interpretsomething that's unclear (or  deliberately break the
rules, for those fewdingdongs who insist on doing so), it's YOUR
problem, not the net manager's, notyour mother's, not the
Democrats'.  Yours.
_______________________________________________________________
     |Robert Zakary Scott Haney:   Poet, Philosopher, Programmer
  |       |
       |       |Internet:
[e-mail]         |       |
          [e-mail]         |
|                   [e-mail]                     |

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~--
----------------------------Date: 21 Sep 92 15:56:43 GMTFrom:
ub!clarkson!phoenix.erc.clarkson.edu![e-mail]:
Internet Gateway PolicyTo: [e-mail]> From
[e-mail] (Where's my chainsaw?)>
it's YOUR problem, not the net manager's, not your mother's, not
theI think the FCC is clear on this, it IS your problem. They
made aruleing some time ago of a posting on ax25 of 900-xxx-xxxx
phone numberlisting. not only was the sender fined ~$3k for
business use, but EACHof the NODES that forwarded the mail was
also fined too. (about 5 or 6nodes if I rember).At clarkson we
have an innernet gateway (the rf side isn't up yet soits
currently borring, but it will be very exciting soon!!) but
onemust be carefull what is passed, regardless of who requests
it, it'sYOUR call that is transmited as the porno gifs are sent
to him.---Rob Logan           AMA        -----|-----   ARRL
   [e-mail] ERC        IRCHA   *>=====[_]L)
   EAA          AirBornPotsdam, NY 13699   PRA           -'-`-
   PADI         USSAwork: 315-268-2292  fax: [phone]
home: 315-265-2679------------------------------Date: Tue, 22
Sep 1992 00:38:06 GMTFrom:
stanford.edu!morrow.stanford.edu!w6yx.Stanford.EDU!techie@uunet.u
u.netSubject: Pac-com Tiny 2 are they still made?To:
[e-mail] PacComm catalog (fall 91) shows the
tiny2 tnc as still being made..PacComm Packet Radio Systems
inc4413 N Hesperides StTampa, Fl  33614-7618Voice
    813-874-2980Fax    [phone]BBS    813-874-3078    3/12/24
8-N-1Orders    800-223-3511Telex    650-288-1526mciMCImail    288-1526CIS
76576,2003--                -- Welcome My Son, Welcome To The
Machine --Bob Vaughan  | [e-mail] | (packet radio)
KC6SXC@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA415-856-8025 |
[e-mail] | [e-mail] [44.4.0.49]-- I
am Me, I am only Me, And no one else is Me, What could be
simpler? --------------------------------Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992
18:33:18 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!destroyer!gumby!wupost!uk
ma![e-mail]: Packet Fax - does it exist
(yet)?To: [e-mail] packet fax exist yet?  That
is, can you hook up a fax machineto a radio, send it
electronically, and it be received on the otherend?  (or is this
an FAQ?)  Or, perhaps, a macintosh/fax combination.I would
imagine it could take awhile to send a fax page this way,
whatwith all the error-correction signals that might have to be
repeated. Also, a friend of mine would like to set up either a
packet fax networkas described above, or a packet e-mail
connection, between the US (Kentuckyspecifically), and El
Salvador, as he has business there.  Where wouldwe start? Please
respond by E-mail, if possible, as I *might* forget to check
thisgroup for a response.  Thanks. Tim
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 21 Sep
1992 10:46:52 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Packet Software for the MacTo: [e-mail]
following is a summary of the responses I received to my queries
about packet software for the Macintosh which may be of interest
to other readers of this group/list. Any additions or
corrections readers can provide would be welcome.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++Packet without a TNC------------------- SoftKiss is an
init/cdev/driver that allows a Mac to do packet using only a
"poor man's packet"  modem. It is available by ftp from
akutaktak.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.35.1) in directory /aw0g, as
well as from the compuserve hamnet forum (library 9). Requires
NET/Mac.  Latest version is 1.2.2.
Free.Terminal--------Virtuoso is a packet terminal program for
the Mac which features adjustable split windows with all the
usual Mac features (scrolling, cut and paste, print, etc). Also
scripting and selectable fonts.  Available by ftp from ucsd.edu
(dir /hamradio/packet/misc) as wellas from AOL, Genie, and
Compuserve. Latest version is 1.4.  Sharewarefee is $20.The
three main producers of TNC's sell Mac versions of their packet
terminal software. These are MacRatt (AEA, $69), MultiComMac
(MFJ, $50), and Hostmaster II (Kantronics,
$65).TCP/IP------NET/Mac implements TCP/IP (as well as AX25)
with SoftKiss or with a TNC that has been put into KISS mode.
Can handle multiple sessions, each with its own window. Windows
are not scrollable or savable, but individual sessions can be
recorded to a file. Available by ftp from sumex-aim.stanford.edu
(dir /info-mac/comm/radio-). Latest version  is 2.3.6.  Should
be used with the SMTP mailer IM/Mac 1.0b25b and the
configuration and accessories collection called "radio-config"
available from the same place. All free.(Note: NET/Mac is
available from many sources in various versions, sometimes
bundled with another mailer called BM)PBBS-----NET/Mac provides
for file sharing via ftp, but there appears to be currently no
real packet BBS software for the Mac. The author of Virtuoso is
working on such a program,
however.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++------------------------------Date: 21 Sep 92
20:10:34 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!udel!darwin.sura.net!eur
opa.asd.contel.com!emory!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!nntp.uoregon.edu!n
ews.u.washington.edu!sumax![e-mail]: RF
interferenceTo: [e-mail]     I just moved to
Seattle, WA, and I have a little problem :)  Thereare three
towers outside my window (~3 miles line of sight); 2 radio and
1TV I think.  I'm running on a Yeasu FT-415 HT @ 2 watts.  On
the duck, thingswork pretty well, but whenever I use an external
antenna (a mobile quarterwave or a "copper cactus" j-pole on the
roof), everthing coming in isfilled w/ white noise.  I can't
really run packet on duck, but on thej-pole, I'm hitting a BBS
w/ 2 watts at S7.  He is sending back w/ 50watts, and the static
just butchers his signal.  I'm hoping that a tight144-148 filter
will do the trick for me.  If anyone has any othersuggestions,
or knows where I can get a good filter, please leave me
mail.Before coming to Seattle, I was running packet without
difficulty. Thanks!KB7PSG-- Jesse Oberrueter
(KB7PSG)[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
Mon, 21 Sep 1992 19:04:16 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!cc.gatech.edu!terminus![e-mail]
ect: Speed of Packet mailTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Michael Botten) writes:>
                                      How long would it
normally>take for a message to (for example) travel from one
side of the US to the>other? With the obligatory caveat that
everything depends on what nodes areup/down at the time:I've
seen overnight delivery frequently between Atlanta, GA and
Hammond, LA. (~half cross US).  Average would be a coupleof
days.  A few hours to get to an HF site.  I guess the HF
sitesends stuff once a day and then a few more hours to get to
the addressed BBS.  The average gets skewed by really long
deliverytimes when a site is down or it's mailer is hung and the
mailsits there for several days.I consider the delivery time
pretty good for doing email stuff.  I'dguess that the
reliability I experienced was about 50% (msg sent/msgrec).  My
correspondant finally got on internet so we never trackeddown
the problem, but I suspect most of it was between him and
hisBBS.Good luck.    haroldFORBES, HAROLD C.   N5JCMGeorgia
Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332uucp:
...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!cc!haroldARPA:
[e-mail]               PACKET: N5JCM @
W4QO------------------------------Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992
01:18:35 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state
.edu![e-mail]: Speed of Packet mailTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Harold C. Forbes) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Michael Botten) writes:>>>
                                        How long would it
normally>>take for a message to (for example) travel from one
side of the US to the>>other? >>Hammond, LA. (~half cross US).
Average would be a couple>of days.  A few hours to get to an HF
site.  I guess the HF site>sends stuff once a day and then a few
more hours to get to >the addressed BBS.  The average gets
skewed by really long delivery>times when a site is down or it's
mailer is hung and the mail>sits there for several days. [some
of Harold's response deleted...]When I was first getting into
packet, I posted a message here asked for packet penpals.  I was
sending mail back and forth to a person in Washington state.  I
wrote him with the time I sent the message out to see how long
it would take.  The reply from him said it took just a little
over 2 hours until his BBS got it. Two to three hours is pretty
good from Ohio to Washington.  This seems almost too good, but
he did mention an HF gateway between a local site and one in
Illinois, so this might have been why it was so short.  Plus,
there may have been some error in converting time zones because
I didn't include the GMT
time.JT------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #258******************************Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92
04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #259To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Wed,
23 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 259Today's Topics:
             AEA DSP box and me                            AX.25
question                     G8BPQ V6.0 available via FTP
           Internet Gateway newsgroup cfd?
Internet Gateway Policy                      Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #258                        Programs for th HP95LX
                RF interference                         Speed of
Packet mailSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 23 Sep 92 09:48:33 GMTFrom:
idacrd![e-mail]: AEA DSP box and meTo:
[e-mail] am constantly being asked `when will
XXXXX be in the AEA DSP box?' or`when are you guys going to do
YYYYYY?', etc.  I wrote all the DSP code forAEA that is in the
DSP2232 and DSP1232 as of two months ago.  Please beadvised that
I no longer have anything to do with AEA.  My relationshipwith
them has ended.  Should you be concerned that the author of this
codeis not supporting it, and wonder who is (especially if you
have not purchaseda unit yet) and would like to know who is
responsible for the answers to thequestions above, please direct
them to AEA and not to me.  I do not evenown a DSP2232 or
DSP1232 and cannot support you in any way so for
technicalinformation on the units, please direct these inquiries
to AEA also andcease bothering me with mail I have been ignoring
anyway.Bob------------------------------Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992
21:02:05 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-stat
e.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!bgsuvax![e-mail]
ect: AX.25 questionTo: [e-mail] looked through FAQ
for this answer but was unsuccessful. Is there a standardrfc for
AX.25? Where can I get it?Any good PD ax.25 programs for the Mac
that are worth looking into?Don't read this group very much so
it would be appreciated if you emailresponses. Thanks in
advance.bobb*****************************************************
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*********------------------------------Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992
15:26:36 GMTFrom:
haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de
!ifsws1.sozialforschung.uni-stuttgart.de![e-mail]:
G8BPQ V6.0 available via FTPTo: [e-mail] 6.0
of the G8BPQ node switch is availablefrom
ifsws1.sozialforschung.uni-stuttgart.de
141.58.162.1/pub/g8bpq/bpq406.zipThanks to Charlie, K1XX, for
uploading!73 Frank-- Frank Grossmann (DL1SBR)Internet:
[e-mail] Radio:
[e-mail] University, institute for social
research------------------------------Date: 22 Sep 1992 07:34:03
-0700From: [e-mail]: Internet Gateway
newsgroup cfd?To: [e-mail]>Would there be any
interest in creating a newsgroup that would be fed>from the
packet network?  So Internet newnews readers could see the
stuff>that floats around the ham packet net?  One packet BBS
could be the source,>and the packet to internet direction would
be automatic.  Anything from>internet would have to be
moderated.  This would be a moderated newsgroup,>then.  (No, I
don't have the resources myself. ): ).>Call it
rec.radio.amateur.bbs or some such?this could be fun...could
have a group rec.radio.amateur.bbs.splng for the folks that
think amatuer and yeasu are correct.
rec.radio.amateur.bbs.timewarpfor those ALLUS message that are
still circulating years after the hamfest, exam, club meeting or
whatever has long since come and gone...this could be unlimited
in scope...8-)73, bill wb9ivr------------------------------Date:
Tue, 22 Sep 92 16:25:09 GMTFrom:
elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!spacm1.spac.spc.com!xenon!skyld!jangus@uunet.u
u.netSubject: Internet Gateway Policy To: [e-mail]>
>  it's YOUR problem, not the net manager's, not your mother's,
not the> I think the FCC is clear on this, it IS your problem.
They made a> ruleing some time ago of a posting on ax25 of
900-xxx-xxxx phone number> listing. not only was the sender
fined ~$3k for business use, but EACH> of the NODES that
forwarded the mail was also fined too. (about 5 or 6> nodes if I
rember).Yeah, but they dropped the fines. Or did everybody
forget about THAT part?Getting a NAL is not the same as paying
the fine. (Once you heart restarts.)The people that responded
(key word) to the FCC had thier fines dropped.The alledged
originator swore up and down that he DID NOT originate
themessage that it must have been someone using HIS CALL, and
was NOT fined.The few that had to pay (and this was more for
failing to properly answerthe NAL) were fined $300. The issue
never really did get resolved properly,but like so many other
things, the media hype and attention died down andthings went
back to business as usual.I run an internet e-mail gateway (hand
operated, nothing fancy) for theoccasional user that wants to
have access to this media (and vice versa).I trust my users are
intellegent enough to not want me to show up at 3:00AM in the
morning with a NAL in one hand and a 12 gauge in the other.
Mostof the work, checking, labor involved is seeing to it that
things are sentcorrectly, not what is sent.Things happen,
nobody's perfect and the FCC understands this. They just wantthe
Licensee to take reasonable measures to keep things in line. And
for whensomething wrong does happen, to take the effort to
explain how it happened andwhat steps will be taken to preclude
it from happening again.xenon!skyld!jangus   < This space left
blank intentionally. >J Angus, PO Box 4425, Carson CA 90749-4425
voice [phone]------------------------------Date: 22 Sep
1992 08:18:35 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #258To: [e-mail]> Does
anyone know of a 9600 baud baycom type modem?> I just got my
station up and already I want more speed.  I was thinking of>
getting TAPR's modem and hacking a serial port on to it, will
that do the> trick?  I really don't want to pay large amounts of
money for it, but I> am willing to do a bit of soldering and
programming to make things work.>  > Thanks and 73> Geoff>  Yes,
we meanwhile have three 9600 MODEMs:1) The USCC cardIts a
slotcard for PC's (8bit). There are four Ports on it. It does
not useCOM-Port addresses. Three of the four ports are connected
to MODEMs on thecard, the fourth port has a MODEM-Disconnect
standard plug like TNC.1st MODEM is TCM 3105 which means 1200
baud fixed2nd MODEM is AM7911 for 300baud/1200 operation3rd
MODEM is G3RUH compatible (design by DF9IC) and does 2400-38400
baud. Thestandard speed is 9600 baud (one has to change
capacitors for other speeds).2) The standalone G3RUH/DF9IC
MODEM:Its simply a part of the USCC card, carrying the MODEM
alone, providescompatible plug for either RMNC-controller or
TNC2. Besides that "standards",it provides a new "standard" plug
which is designed from the ADACOM groupespecially for high speed
applications.3) The plug and play 9600 solution named SCC9k6:Its
a short slot card carrying a) Bus decoder logicb) G3RUH/DF9IC
9600 baud MODEMc) a KS-900 tranceiver (crystal operated
2Watt/70cm)d) a port for a 1200 Baud MODEM, f.i. the BayCOM
SMD-mini4) There is a concept (and only a concept) for a plug-on
MODEM for9600 Baud . This maybe finished about Christmas
perhaps...Hope this is info enough, you may always contact me
via [e-mail] (this is a BayCom 9600 node
:-) )The BayCom team--  (-%   Fritz B. Raab                 #
email: [e-mail]             %-) (-%   Fa. Multinet
Services GmbH    # voice: [phone] fax: -21  %-) (-%
 Bretonischer Ring 7           # Member of EurOPEN, GUUG , DIGI
e.V.  %-) (-%   D-W8011 Grasbrunn,  Germany   # Support DIGI, it
will support YOU !  %-)------------------------------Date: Tue,
22 Sep 1992 12:21:55 GMTFrom:
zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cb
newsm![e-mail]: Programs for th HP95LXTo:
[e-mail]    Hello    Are there any FTP sites that would
have PD or SW software for the HP95?If so where would I find
this information? The only place I have found so faris
compuserve. Compuserve is not of any help to me since I am not a
member.            Thank you             Jeff     ------------------------------Date:
22 Sep 92 20:27:50 GMTFrom:
ucsbcsl!ucsbuxa![e-mail]: RF
interferenceTo: [e-mail] if you cant get the
commercial broadcasters to move their antennas.or, filters and
tuners.------------------------------Date: 23 Sep 92 00:20:22
GMTFrom:
news.cs.indiana.edu!syscon!gator!towers!bluemoon![e-mail]
Subject: Speed of Packet mailTo:
[e-mail][e-mail] (Michael
Botten) writes:> Greetings all...> > Just wondering about the
speed of Packet mail.  How long would it normally> take for a
message to (for example) travel from one side of the US to the>
other?  I'm quite new to packet BTW...> >
                            /\/\ike>
           VE7GRI@VE7VBB.#ISLAND.BC.CAN.NOAM>   Responses
preferred at this
address->[e-mail]-----------------------
-------Date: (null)From: (null)[e-mail] whose home bbs
has trouble getting the mail out sometimes, so it may go here
instead.------------------------------Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992
10:37:25 GMTFrom:
swrinde!gatech!nscf!wa4phy![e-mail]:
[e-mail]
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>Subject : Re: Internet
Gateway newsgroup cfd?[e-mail] (robert.f.casey)
writes:>It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that
the ham whose call is>the packet gateway would have to be a
moderator screening for dirty words and>business rule
violations.  But there are moderated newsgroups, so, if one>were
to limit the gated newsgroups to a small number, someone could
do that.>E-mail: if one were to accept E-mail from only his
immediate area (not >necessarly geographic), it might be a
do-able load.  >Would there be any interest in creating a
newsgroup that would be fed >from the packet network?  So
Internet newnews readers could see the stuff>that floats around
the ham packet net?  One packet BBS could be the source,>and the
packet to internet direction would be automatic.  Anything
from>internet would have to be moderated.  This would be a
moderated newsgroup,>then.  (No, I don't have the resources
myself. ): ).>Call it rec.radio.amateur.bbs or some such?You
really have to be kidding!  Who would WANT to read the trash
that is posted on packet bbs anyhow?  After being a sysop for 8
years, having donemy thing with hf/vhf etc.., I can truthfully
say there have been less than10 dozen really Intelligent posts
that came thru my box.  The intelligencelevel of the short
between the keyboard and seat has a definate impact onmessage
content :-)--      Sam Drinkard        internet:
wa4phy![e-mail]     WA4PHY            amprnet:
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #259******************************Date:
Thu, 24 Sep 92 04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #260To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Thu,
24 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 260Today's Topics:
            "poor man's packet"                          2400
and 4800 baud                     AEA DSP box and me (5 msgs)
                          AEA PCB-88                     Answers
to Packet Questions                   Internet Gateway Policy (2
msgs)                     Packet-Radio Digest V92 #258
    Packet software for the Amiga? (2 msgs)
   PMP authors and kits                     THENET X1G uploaded?
where?Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 23 Sep 1992 07:51:43 -0700From:
[e-mail]: "poor man's packet"To:
[e-mail]>Packet without a
TNC>------------------->>SoftKiss is an init/cdev/driver that
allows a Mac to do packet using>only a "poor man's packet"
modem. It is available by ftp from>akutaktak.andrew.cmu.edu
(128.2.35.1) in directory /aw0g, as well as>from the compuserve
hamnet forum (library 9). Requires NET/Mac.>Latest version is
1.2.2.  Free.How can find a "poor man's packet" or How can make
it ?Could someone send me a way to build a "poor man's packet".I
have Acoustic MODEM's. Can I transform one to build a "poor
man's packet"?Many thanks and best regards.Pascal
Beaujeant.F.U.N.D.P. ( Univ. of Namur, Belgium )Tel :
003281725013Fax :
003281725023------------------------------Date: 23 Sep 92
09:02:07 GMTFrom:
swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!cf-cm!cy
baswan![e-mail]: 2400 and 4800 baudTo:
[e-mail]'ve got a PK88 and a navico radio which
have been plodding happily onwardsand I'm now looking at trying
playing around with faster buad rates. ThePK88 can be set to
2400, 4800 , 9600 and 19200 baud. Now I don't expecta PK88 to do
9600 or 19200 happily, but I'm curious what experiencepeople
have had trying to run a PK88 at 2400 and 4800 baud.Also what
are people's best opinions on a 9600 baud modem, preferablyone I
can run parallel to the PK88 on the same frequency, and run
froma PC.Alan G4PTS@GB7AKJ------------------------------Date:
Wed, 23 Sep 1992 11:37:01 GMTFrom:
pa.dec.com!rdg.dec.com!decvax.dec.com!decvax![e-mail]
ubject: AEA DSP box and meTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob McGwier) writes:|> |>
I am constantly being asked `when will XXXXX be in the AEA DSP
box?' or|> `when are you guys going to do YYYYYY?', etc.  I
wrote all the DSP code for|> AEA that is in the DSP2232 and
DSP1232 as of two months ago.  Please be|> advised that I no
longer have anything to do with AEA.  My relationship|> with
them has ended.  Should you be concerned that the author of this
code|> is not supporting it, and wonder who is (especially if
you have not purchased|> a unit yet) and would like to know who
is responsible for the answers to the|> questions above, please
direct them to AEA and not to me.  I do not even|> own a DSP2232
or DSP1232 and cannot support you in any way so for technical|>
information on the units, please direct these inquiries to AEA
also and|> cease bothering me with mail I have been ignoring
anyway.Gee, Bob. That doesn't seem very friendly. I can recall
just a few months agothat you were boasting all over these
groups about having been solely responsiblefor the code and
wanted to answer everybodies and anybodies questions about
DSP'sand their relationship to ham radio. Obviously, something
has gone sour... Toobad, as situations like this are only going
to slow the wider spread use of DSPdevices, if too many people
believe that they drive people to these extreme mentalstates...
Good luck in your recovery.- Marc--
=================================================================
==========Marc Evans - [e-mail]              |
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WB1GRH@W2XO.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM   | 21 Hinds Ln, Pelham, NH
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Consultant
=================================================================
==========------------------------------Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992
16:17:51 GMTFrom:
swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex![e-mail]: AEA
DSP box and meTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob McGwier) writes:}}I am
constantly being asked `when will XXXXX be in the AEA DSP box?'
or}`when are you guys going to do YYYYYY?', etc.  I wrote all
the DSP code for}AEA that is in the DSP2232 and DSP1232 as of
two months ago.  Please be}advised that I no longer have
anything to do with AEA.  My relationship}with them has ended.
Should you be concerned that the author of this code}is not
supporting it, and wonder who is (especially if you have not
purchased}a unit yet) and would like to know who is responsible
for the answers to the}questions above, please direct them to
AEA and not to me.  I do not even}own a DSP2232 or DSP1232 and
cannot support you in any way so for technical}information on
the units, please direct these inquiries to AEA also and}cease
bothering me with mail I have been ignoring anyway.}}Bob}o
Sounds like someone got their a** fired!o I'm not surprized with
a 'tude like that.o You could have come up with a nicer way of
telling all the folks who  have come to depend on you, and who
regard you with the utmost   respect for your expertise on this
thing that you are no longer  associated with it. If you're
pissed at AEA, that's your business,  -BUT- don't take it out on
us. After all, this is amateur radio.-- Tony J. Podrasky |
What's this thing? San Diego , Ca   |  It's called a
[e-mail] |  And what's this button for?  NNNN NNNN
ZCZC   |  Whatever you do, don't touc{{{7bh6xx!{@%%hxbd&$#)$% NO
CARRIER------------------------------Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992
17:35:01 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!stanford.edu!CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.
EDU!calvin![e-mail]: AEA DSP box and meTo:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:>o
You could have come up with a nicer way of telling all the folks
who>  have come to depend on you, and who regard you with the
utmost >  respect for your expertise on this thing that you are
no longer>  associated with it. If you're pissed at AEA, that's
your business,>  -BUT- don't take it out on us. After all, this
is amateur radio.Um, begging the Colonel's pardon, but this is
way off base.  Just becauseBob was nice enough to give us a
window in on some commercial code he waswriting for a product
that would interest most of us here, doesn't obligatehim to
providing full free support of said software over the net.
Especiallywhen the commercial relationship ends.---=Paul
Flaherty, N9FZX/5W1JX  | "What a difference an hour can
make."->[e-mail]          |        -- Vernor
Vinge------------------------------Date: 23 Sep 1992 18:02:18
GMTFrom: ucsd.edu![e-mail]: AEA DSP box and
meTo: [e-mail] is enough of a genius that
he's allowed to go non-linear now andthen.Fie on blandness!    -
Brian------------------------------Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992
06:22:12 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!ais.org!ti
[e-mail]: AEA DSP box and meTo:
[e-mail] article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Bob McGwier) writes:>> I do not even>own a
DSP2232 or DSP1232 and cannot support you in any way so for
technical>information on the units, please direct these
inquiries to AEA also and>cease bothering me with mail I have
been ignoring anyway.>>Bob>   Gee, I gess that's what happens
when someone publically takes credit fordoing something like
writing some code.  Sometimes, it is advantageous,other times,
it come backs to haunt you.    Oh well, c'est la vie.  (A happy
DSP-2232 owner)--  Tim Tyler   Internet: [e-mail]  MCI Mail:
442-5735  C$erve: 72571,1005P.O. Box 443     Packet: KA8VIR
@KA8UNZ.#SEMI.MI.USA.NAYpsilanti MI48197-0443
PADI, USPA, AFCEA, INEOA, P226, VFR700,
etc.------------------------------Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 09:57:51
GMTFrom: ucsd.edu![e-mail]: AEA PCB-88To:
[e-mail] there,    I have an AEA PCB-88 installed on
my 386sx based PC as COM3:The PCB-88 is basically a PK-88 on a
PC board. I think it must even usethe same ROM software, as it
signs on as a PK-88.What it lacks is a set of LEDs, in
particular the one I would like to haveis the yellow "status"
LED. I borrowed a TINY-2 before buying this TNC, andon the
TINY-2 it was used to indicate if there were unacknowledged
packetsand also if there was mail waiting in the PMS. I wonder
if anyone couldtell me how to remotely rig up some LEDs to the
board.Second question, what are the four dip switches on SW2
used for? The manualonly explains the use of SW1 to set up which
COM port it resides on.Thanks in advance for any
response,Paul~~~~73's from
GW7KES@GB7ONV------------------------------Date: 23 Sep 1992
07:56:08 -0700From: [e-mail]: Answers
to Packet QuestionsTo: [e-mail] Over the last 2-3
years, users of LAN-LINK have been asking me all sortsof
questions about packet radio. The questions range from basic
topicsto advanced topics. Well, I've documented the answers in a
book "Basic Packet Radio" which I'dlike to get out and about. So
to all club officers, here's an offer you can't refuse. If you
send me a recent copy of the club newsletter, I'll send you a
copyof my new book on BASIC PACKET RADIO. Use it for review, as
a door prize orinclusion in the club library. I'll add details
of the discount offer for clubs <HI>. The book (384 pages)
covers: What packet radio is.What it takes to use it.The Local
Area Network.The PBBS and how to use it.how to send and receive
messages and bulletins.The distributed LAN.Extending your range
via Nodes.PacketClusters.Dumb servers and smart serversELMER -
the ham's expert systemLAN-LINK Manual. Send to POB 3419, Silver
Spring, MD. 20918.73  Joe------------------------------Date: 23
Sep 1992 06:00:23 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Internet Gateway PolicyTo: [e-mail]>I think the FCC
is clear on this, it IS your problem. They made a      >ruleing
some time ago of a posting on ax25 of 900-xxx-xxxx phone
number>listing. not only was the sender fined ~$3k for business
use, but EACH >of the NODES that forwarded the mail was also
fined too. (about 5 or 6 >nodes if I rember).Would anyone care
to share some detail about this incident?  It sounds asif those
people were delt with rather harshly unless it was a
deliberateact done after being warned.  Did those receiving the
fines try tochallenge it or did they look at the legal costs and
decide it wasn't worththe fight?
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
Thu, 24 Sep 92 02:27:22 GMTFrom:
das.wang.com!wang![e-mail]: Internet Gateway
PolicyTo: [e-mail][e-mail] (Thomas
Huson) writes:>>I think the FCC is clear on this, it IS your
problem. They made a      >>ruleing some time ago of a posting
on ax25 of 900-xxx-xxxx phone number>>listing. not only was the
sender fined ~$3k for business use, but EACH >>of the NODES that
forwarded the mail was also fined too. (about 5 or 6 >>nodes if
I rember).>Would anyone care to share some detail about this
incident?  It sounds as>if those people were delt with rather
harshly unless it was a deliberate>act done after being warned.
Did those receiving the fines try to>challenge it or did they
look at the legal costs and decide it wasn't worth>the fight?
Before anyone goes crazy about this, someone should say
definitelythat the fines really happened or they didn't.  For
example, *I*heard that most of the hams cited replied to a pink
slip and that wasthe end of it - no fine.  But I don't know if
that's true either.DaveKZ1O-- Dave Bushong, Wang Laboratories,
Inc.Project Leader, OCR productsInternet:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 23 Sep 92
16:50:51 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!cs.uor
egon.edu!nntp.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!serval!wsuvm1.csc
.wsu.edu![e-mail]: Packet-Radio Digest V92
#258To: [e-mail] you very much for the
information.  Where can I get these productsand how much do they
cost?  Thanks and 73Geoff N7ZRR
+--------------------------------------+-------------------------
-------------+|  GEOFFREY WEBB                       |
INTERNET: [e-mail]  ||  SYSTEMS
ANALYST/PROGRAMMER II       |  BITNET:   WEBBG@WSUVM1
  ||  WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY         |  AMPRNET:
N7ZRR@AA7GV               ||  PULLMAN WA 99163
 |  PHONE:    [phone]
|+--------------------------------------+------------------------
--------------+i------------------------------Date: 23 Sep 92
14:23:36 PSTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!amigans!gla
sgow![e-mail]: Packet software for the
Amiga?To: [e-mail]'m wanting to  get into
Amateur Radio and Packet sometime in the nearFuture, I have an
Amiga 500 with 1 meg memory, is there softwareavailable to run
Packet on my Amiga?Also any help in training for Amateur Radio
through Email would be greatlyappreciated, as I want to get into
the scene, but I dont know where tostart.ThanksGrant--
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
\/        Grant Thoms (Zoltar) Co-Sysop of `Silent Imperium' BBS
      [e-mail]   or  [e-mail]
       Standard Quote: `Insert $10 for the next 0.5 seconds'
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
/\------------------------------Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 22:42:07
GMTFrom:
haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mil
o.mcs.anl.gov!chbmac01.el.anl.gov![e-mail]: Packet
software for the Amiga?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>,[e-mail].n
z (Grant Thoms) wrote:> > Greetings> > I'm wanting to  get into
Amateur Radio and Packet sometime in the near> Future, I have an
Amiga 500 with 1 meg memory, is there software> available to run
Packet on my Amiga?> There is plenty of good packet software
available for Amiga's. The AmigaNOSsoftware for the Amiga is
much easier to use, being multiple windowing, andmultitasking,
than the PC versions. AmigaNOS is a robust version of
theTCP/IPbased KA9Q internet software, and includes support for
SLIP connections,newsmailer, and many, many other features. Also
there are some good PD termprograms, if your not up for tackling
TCP/IP packet quite yet.Longtime Amiga User
WO9k------------------------------Date: 23 Sep 1992 15:39:35
-0700From: [e-mail]: PMP authors and
kitsTo: [e-mail]> Could anyone help me in locating
Andrew Payne and Kevin Feeney, the authors> of PMP programs and
kits?Please send me a copy of any leads you get on this.  I've
been thinkingbuilding either a baycom or the Poor Man's Packet
also.Mike Gordon  N9LOI
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 23
Sep 92 17:11:38 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!mu
cs!nessie!goshawk![e-mail]: THENET X1G
uploaded? where?To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (G. Katsimaglis) writes:|> TheNet
X-1G is now available on landline BBS.|>  |> It is on Ted Batt's
BBS under the filename TNET-X1G.ZIP and should|> also by now be
on the KARNAK BBS and Compuserve|>  |> Ted Batt's BBS     081
547 1479   ( [phone] interntional )|> Karnak BBS
0604 705669    ( [phone] international )|>  |> Anyone who
wants a copy direct from me, send me a disk. Those people|> who
have already done so or who sent Eproms should receive them|>
within the next week.|>  I have ftp`d a copy of the X1G to
ucsd.edu as TNET-X1G.ZIP in the/hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming
directory.John.------------------------------End of Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #260******************************Date: Fri, 25 Sep
92 04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #261To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Fri,
25 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 261Today's Topics:
              AmigaNOS on A500                            BAYCOM
& TCPIP                     compressed mail on AmigaNOS
               I'd like to buy TNC!                   Internet
Gateway newsgroup cfd?                   Internet Gateway Policy
(3 msgs)                      MFJ-1270B QUESION (HELP!)
               Mocom 35 @ 9600 baud                    PMP
authors and kits (2 msgs)                        Programs for th
HP95LX                    Source of N7CL Paper on DCD??
           STS-47/SAREX Orbit 92 & QUT
   SUBSCRIBE                          TFPCX translation
            Victoria - Vancouver LinkSend Replies or notes for
publication to: <[e-mail]>Send subscription
requests to: <[e-mail]>Problems you can't
solve otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 24 Sep 1992 11:24:19 -0700From:
[e-mail]: AmigaNOS on A500To:
[e-mail] and WO9K,You can get started quite
well with only a TNC and a terminal program.AmigaNOS is great (I
have it), but it takes a lot of space, so1 meg of memory might
not be sufficient in some cases (depending onwhat else you're
doing at the time). Also, a hard drive is indispensible for
AmigaNOS.Depends on your desire and budget, Zoltar.Scott
N0GUD------------------------------Date: 24 Sep 1992 15:25:09
-0700From: [e-mail]: BAYCOM & TCPIPTo:
[e-mail] is a BAYCOM ftp-driver for TCP/IP in
/hamradio/ pa

cket/tcpip/ax25 atucsd.edu . This must be the most FAQ !!!Thanks
to Pawel for this code .73 de
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--------------------Date: 24 Sep 1992 11:26:26 -0700From:
[e-mail]: compressed mail on
AmigaNOSTo: [e-mail] there any versions of
AmigaNOS capabable of sending and receivingLZH compressed
mail?[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
24 Sep 1992 07:07:21 -0700From:
[e-mail]: I'd like to buy TNC!To:
[e-mail] friends,I would like to buy new (for
me) TNC. I am interested in new equipment orpreowned as well. So
if you have any TNC for sale, if you know someonewho would like
to sell one, let me know about it please! Every offer
couldappear interesting! Maybe you know shop which is worth to
recommend? Everyremark is welcome! Thank you in advance,SP1WSN,
Gregbitnet address:  GREG@PLSZUS11PO Box 137  Szczecin 5  70-965
 Poland,   Ciao!------------------------------Date: Wed, 23 Sep
92 18:01:36 PDTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!spool.mu.e
du!umn.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!cruzio!lancelot@network.U
CSD.EDUSubject: Internet Gateway newsgroup cfd?To:
[e-mail] like the one I use (N0ARY) let me
read the packet BBS stuffvia the InterNet....via List and Read
commands...some very interestingstuff (from AMSAT, on
conferences, etc. is in there that I don't otherwisesee.... For
the price of that very easy no-code license one can
takeadvantage of packet even w/o a radio...really a great set-up
(THX N0ARY!)and now I'm hot to get set up on portable packet
myself...maybe insteadof setting up a new packet.foo group we
should just get people to get thetech license and try the packet
gateways to get their feet wet ... justmy 2 bits...-- Brett
Breitwieser / KC6UPU @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA / grid
[e-mail]
(...netcom!cruzio!lancelot)425 Ninth Ave., Santa Cruz, CA.
95062-3915 / [phone] voice"Volo ut syntaxis mea
splendescat in litore, veniente aestate."
------------------------------Date: 23 Sep 92 23:05:13 PDTFrom:
uw-coco!nwnexus!pilchuck!algedi![e-mail]
ect: Internet Gateway PolicyTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Angus)
writes:>> > >  it's YOUR problem, not the net manager's, not
your mother's, not the>> > I think the FCC is clear on this, it
IS your problem. They made a>> Yeah, but they dropped the fines.
Or did everybody forget about THAT part?>> I run an internet
e-mail gateway (hand operated, nothing fancy) for the>
occasional user that wants to have access to this media (and
vice versa).> I trust my users are intellegent enough to not
want me to show up at 3:00> AM in the morning with a NAL in one
hand and a 12 gauge in the other. Most>> Things happen, nobody's
perfect and the FCC understands this. They just want> the
Licensee to take reasonable measures to keep things in line. And
for when> something wrong does happen, to take the effort to
explain how it happened and> what steps will be taken to
preclude it from happening again.I too operate an Internet
e-mail gateway.  It handles Email traffic to and fromthe
Internet, UUCP, and the local packet community.  It also feeds
the 'rec.radio.amateur.packet/misc/policy' newsgroups into the
local packet system.  Imake 'reasonable' measures to keep the
traffic within the spirit of the law,but I certainly won't go
overboard.  It's all automated, reviewed by computerand I
certainly don't personally read everything.  As far as I'm
concernedthis should be all that's necessary.  If something
wrong does happen, I'll takemy lumps, explain how it happened
and fix the program to not allow it next time.Progress isn't
made by assuming the worst will happen.No guts, No air
medals.--73's,  KenW   W EEEEE TTTTT N    N EEEEE TTTTT  : Ken
KosterW   W E       T   NN   N E       T    :W W W EEEE    T   N
N  N EEEE    T    : PBBS: N7IPB@N7IPB.#NWWA.WA.USA.NAWW WW E
  T   N  N N E       T    :W   W EEEEE   T   N   NN EEEEE   T
: AMPR: [e-mail] [44.24.0.45]
              :Washington Experimenters TCP NETwork  : UUCP:
algedi![e-mail]------------------------------Dat
e: 24 Sep 92 10:30:04 GMTFrom:
ub!dsinc!pitt.edu!gvls1!gvls2![e-mail]: Internet
Gateway PolicyTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Bushong)
writes:>[e-mail] (Thomas Huson) writes:>>>>I think
the FCC is clear on this, it IS your problem. They made a
>>>ruleing some time ago of a posting on ax25 of 900-xxx-xxxx
phone number>>>listing. not only was the sender fined ~$3k for
business use, but EACH The incident happened on January 5, 1991,
and was started by an allegedmessage originated by Joe Reed
(WA3QNS) of Norristown, PA.  The messageasked recipients to
phone a 900 number to register opposition to the Persian Gulf
War.  The message was filed at the BBS of Rolf Jespersen(N3LA)
in Spring City, PA.  Within days of the incident, J.J.
Freeman,2nd, director of the Norfolk, Va., office of the FCC
slapped fines of$300 on three operators (N3LA, WA3QNS, and, I
believe, W3IWI).  Mr.Freeman was made aware of the apparent
violation of the FCC rules byU.S. Navy Captain Russell Tjepkema
of Virginia Beach, VA., whose amateurcall I don't remember.The
end result was --  Joe Reed pleaded innocent of the charges,
claimingsomeone was pirating his call  --  The stations cited
replied to the letters and the fines were withdrawn.  Also 8 or
9 other stations in theforwarding path received writted warnings
from the FCC.----Ed Naratil
(All standard disclaimers apply)Amateur Packet:
w3bnr@n3la.#epa.pa.usa.na
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Thu,
24 Sep 92 17:00:34 GMTFrom:
usc!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!spacm1.spac.spc.com!xenon!skyld
![e-mail]: Internet Gateway PolicyTo:
[e-mail]: this is a re-post. THe machine at
ucsd ate a few pieces the other day.> >  it's YOUR problem, not
the net manager's, not your mother's, not the> I think the FCC
is clear on this, it IS your problem. They made a> ruleing some
time ago of a posting on ax25 of 900-xxx-xxxx phone number>
listing. not only was the sender fined ~$3k for business use,
but EACH> of the NODES that forwarded the mail was also fined
too. (about 5 or 6> nodes if I rember).Yeah, but they dropped
the fines. Or did everybody forget about THAT part?Getting a NAL
is not the same as paying the fine. (Once you heart
restarts.)The people that responded (key word) to the FCC had
thier fines dropped.The alledged originator swore up and down
that he DID NOT originate themessage that it must have been
someone using HIS CALL, and was NOT fined.The few that had to
pay (and this was more for failing to properly answerthe NAL)
were fined $300. The issue never really did get resolved
properly,but like so many other things, the media hype and
attention died down andthings went back to business as usual.I
run an internet e-mail gateway (hand operated, nothing fancy)
for theoccasional user that wants to have access to this media
(and vice versa).I trust my users are intellegent enough to not
want me to show up at 3:00AM in the morning with a NAL in one
hand and a 12 gauge in the other. Mostof the work, checking,
labor involved is seeing to it that things are sentcorrectly,
not what is sent.Things happen, nobody's perfect and the FCC
understands this. They just wantthe Licensee to take reasonable
measures to keep things in line. And for whensomething wrong
does happen, to take the effort to explain how it happened
andwhat steps will be taken to preclude it from happening
again.xenon!skyld!jangus   < This space left blank
intentionally. >J Angus, PO Box 4425, Carson CA 90749-4425 voice
[phone]------------------------------Date: 24 Sep 1992
23:46:58 GMTFrom:
usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!c
leveland.Freenet.Edu![e-mail]: MFJ-1270B
QUESION (HELP!)To: [e-mail]  A friend of mine has a
MFJ-1270B TNC-2.. He's using it with a Yaesu FT-470 HTand a
Commodore 64.  He's having a problem with the TNC and isn't sure
if it'sthe TNC itself, or if he's doing something wrong??   He's
using a custom made cable to connect between the TNC and Yaesu..
Buthis Transmit Audio is VERY LOW!!..  However, when in
calibration mode, thecalibration tone's Audio is fine.   I have
a PK-232 TNC.. and I know that my cable that connects the TNCto
my Yaesu FT-470 requires a 1K resister and a .33 uF on the
Transmit line.On the MFJ-1270B they say you have to put a Jumper
in JMP K on the motherboard of the TNC.. (that is done!)..  BUT
still LOW Audio on Transmit!!..There is a 47K resister that
looks to be used on the transmit line, shouldI replace this with
a 1 K resister???..   Also.. His problem mightbe that his cable
is wired wrong.. Anyone know theproper wiring for a MFJ-1270B
-to- Yaesu FT-470 HT???   Anyone have any ideas/suggestions on
how to correct this problem??.. (Note:The Audio on Transmit is
SO low that he can NOT connect to ANYTHING!!.. Ifyou listen
REALLY carefully, you can hear the data transmitted.)   Please
reply via Mail.. I don't get up here too often.. Thx! --
ZZzzz-Ya!                |    -TSA- Member:     (KB8NHT)
...Jim     |       <: Dies Irae :>      |            COMBAT ZONE
BBS-> [e-mail] <-  |
[phone]------------------------------Date: 24 Sep 1992
18:27:46 -0700From: [e-mail]: Mocom 35
@ 9600 baudTo: [e-mail] anyone modified a
Motorola Mocom 35 UHF model to run at 9600 baud?David WB7TPY--

-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------      Internet: [e-mail]    FAX: +1
[phone]      Bitnet: ATW1H @ ASUACAD
FidoNet=> 1:114/15                Amateur Packet ax25:
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: Thu,
24 Sep 1992 17:46:09 GMTFrom:
swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!nic.umass.edu!hamp.hampshi
re.edu![e-mail]: PMP authors and
kitsTo: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (MIKE GORDON [e-mail])
writes:> >> Could anyone help me in locating Andrew Payne and
Kevin Feeney, the authors>> of PMP programs and kits?> > Please
send me a copy of any leads you get on this.  I've been
thinking> building either a baycom or the Poor Man's Packet
also.> > Mike Gordon  N9LOI
[e-mail]:[e-mail]
(address known good as of March
1992)[e-mail] software was available from
the 73 Magazine BBS at [phone] in the73 MAG SIG at the
time the system was described in 73 (August 1991).The primary
source for FTP access is helios.tn.cornell.edu. It isprobably
also available at major ham radio ftp sites such as ucsd.eduand
wsmr-simtel20.army.milAs of October 1991 Feeney could supply a
chip/crystal pair for $24 anda blank PC board for $7 (specify
home or laptop version). The software,including source code, was
available for $10 on disk ($5 with thehardware). A kit of
additional parts was $10. You should contact him forcurrent
details at:F. Kevin Feeney, 468 Hines Rd., Newfield NY 14867.73
de Al Woodhull
[e-mail]------------------------------Dat
e: 25 Sep 92 02:47:42 GMTFrom:
newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!piccolo.cit.cornell.edu!crux1!snh1@uune
t.uu.netSubject: PMP authors and kitsTo: [e-mail]>>
Could anyone help me in locating Andrew Payne and Kevin Feeney,
the authors>> of PMP programs and kits?>Please send me a copy of
any leads you get on this.  I've been thinking>building either a
baycom or the Poor Man's Packet also.Well, Kevin happens to be
my officemate. Right now he's busygetting settled into a new
job, and doesn't read news. His email
address:    [e-mail] has graduated from
Cornell, and moved to Cambridge, Mass. thissummer. Please
contact him to order PMP kits. His
email:    [e-mail]-Sanjay Hiranandani
N2MRZ------------------------------Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992
19:50:43 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!hplvec![e-mail].
EDUSubject: Programs for th HP95LXTo: [e-mail]> In
rec.radio.amateur.packet, [e-mail] (JEFF ZELL
NK3O) writes:> > Hello> > Are there any FTP sites that would
have PD or SW software for the HP95?> If so where would I find
this information? The only place I have found so far> is
compuserve. Compuserve is not of any help to me since I am not a
member.>                 Thank you >                 Jeff     You might try the
Hewlett-Packard Calculator Bulletin Board,hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com
:Try:  telnet hpcvbbs.cv.hp.comor  ftp hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com----Ted
Cline, N0RQV                    VXI Systems
Divisiontcline@hpislx                       Hewlett-Packard, M/S
[e-mail]        815 14th Street
SWVOICE: [phone]               P.O. Box 301FAX:   (303)
679-5971               Loveland, CO  80537
USA------------------------------Date: 24 Sep 92 10:29:32
GMTFrom:
deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!rdg.dec.com!irnbru.enet.dec.com!ralexande
[e-mail]: Source of N7CL Paper on DCD??To:
[e-mail] anyone now of a ftp site which holds
the above paperI believe it was submitted to the ARRL 7th
Computer Networkingconference. I am interested in building a DCD
module for theBSX2 TNC myself.ThanksRobin Alexanderampr         :
[e-mail]     :
[e-mail] Level Systems Product
Business Unit,Digital Equipment, Scotland.+44 292 883375 (DTN
823-3375)------------------------------Date: 25 Sep 92 08:00:22
ESTFrom:
munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!news.qut.edu.au!qut.edu.au!joyce
@network.UCSD.EDUSubject: STS-47/SAREX Orbit 92 & QUTTo:
[e-mail]                        Space Shuttle
(Endeavour) STS-47                           SAREX Operations
from                     Queensland University of Technology
                        Kedron Park Campus.
       By Andy Joyce vk4kiv,                            QUT-KP
23th Sept 1992.                           - - - - - - - - - - -
-       What follows is a basic overview of the planned SAREX
operations with    Space Shuttle STS-47 from Queensland
University of Technology, and    the events for SAREX with the
Space Shuttle's full loss of all NASA    comms via their TDRS
Satellite system.                                   - - -    On
Monday the 14th Sept a project team comprising of Mr Neville
Richter    lecturer from the School of Computing Science,
Faculty of Infomation     Technology (FIT), Dr Tee Tang lecturer
from the School of Electrical     and Electronic Systems
Engineering, Faculty of Built Environment and    Engineering,
plus some project students were present in a FIT computing
laboratory at the Gardens Point (city) campus of Queensland
University    of Technology. A TCP/IP data link (Telnet) was
setup between this     laboratory and a remote gateway host 10km
to the north at the Kedron     Park campus of QUT
(vk4kiv.qut.edu.au).  Also located there was the RF     systems
for VHF comms to the shuttle, and was manned by myself Andy
Joyce vk4kiv.     This unique contact was for full 'converse'
keyboard to keyboard comms    from the lab at Gardens Point via
TCP/IP protocols over the QUT data    Network then to be re-sent
automatically via AX.25 protocol on the 2m    144-148 MHz
Amateur Radio band, where a special set of frequencies was
selected for half-duplex comms to and from the shuttle.     As
Murphy's Law says.. "A short cut is the longest distance between
   two points" or "There's never time to do it right, but
there's always    time to do it over" just about sums up the
events on Monday night at    our planned AOS time of contact.
With NASA on one phone and an audio    teleconfence link on
another to the lab at Gardens point, NO contact    was made !!
So after many checks and re-checks we still at this point    in
time don't know what really went wrong.  BUT knowing how much
work     we put into this, the SAREX team at NASA's Johnson
Space Center agreed    to slotting us into an unused time slot
pass for one last chance for a    voice only contact !!  Four
days later.       On Friday the 18th Sept we had re-setup all
comms equipment on an unused     Astromony deck at the Kedron
Park campus, knowing that the pass with AOS    of 08:29 UTC /
6.29pm local would also give us a magnificent opportunity    of
viewing the shuttle as it passed over Brisbane, as well as the
planned    voice comms.  ** At approximately 6.20pm local we had
the normal phone    call from NASA's Johnson Space Center (check
for readness of contact)    BUT we're told that NASA would like
a 'special request' for us to relay    to the shuttle that
"there has been a major computer malfunction at an    uplink
site at White Sands New Mexico, losing all comms to and from the
   shuttle via their TDRS Satellite system" also that "they were
looking    into the problem" etc...  with the Shuttle crew being
able to tell MCC    what their plans were etc, and averting any
possible confusion........    So the next 3-5 minutes was spent
relaying by voice, then phone-patching    audio from Mission
Control Center at the Johnson Space Center, Houston    Texas
direct to the Shuttle via QUT Kedron Park !!  The total down
time    of NASA's comms system was around 25 minutes, and as it
just happened    was just prior to our planned contact at QUT !!
--> Talk about being at    the right place at the right time !!
    NASA restored comms with the Shuttle half-way through our
pass and then    gave us the all clear to go head with our
planned operations. Also noting    the very BRIGHT pass over are
location with a 66 deg Elevation, with full    voice comms, made
this a very memorable contact to say the very least.     These
events again demonstrate the ability of the Amateur Radio
Service    to providing a wide diversity of Services Supporting
Educational Research    and real time Communications.
                Andy Joyce VK4KIV    Audiovisual Services Dept
 Queensland University of Technology    Kedron Park Campus
P.O. Box 117 Kedron    Brisbane, Qld 4031    Ph:  [phone]
   Fax: [phone]    AARNet/Internet: [e-mail]
                 [e-mail] -- --  Andy Joyce
VK4KIV         AMPRNet:  [e-mail]  QUT Kedron
Park Campus    Internet: [e-mail]  TCP/IP
Co-ordinator VK4   Email2:   [e-mail]: Sat, 26 Sep
92 04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #262To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sat,
26 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 262Today's Topics:
      Compiling NOS under Borland 3.1             Could you
please put me on the mailing list
Programs for th HP95LXSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 25 Sep 92 17:14:41 GMTFrom:
atha!aupair.cs.athabascau.ca!sigyn.cs.athabascau.ca![e-mail]
c.comSubject: Compiling NOS under Borland 3.1To:
[e-mail] anyone give me access to a copy of NOS
that will compile underBorland 3.1?  The version of NOS I have
is having a bit of trouble comming together and I though I would
consult the net before diving into the source.Thanks.--Ron
Haukenfrers        VE6RWH
*********[e-mail]                    **********                               .
     ****Athabasca University     Educational Computing Services
..      ****P.O. Box 10 000                         ....     ****Athabasca, AB
CANADA    [phone]            ..........****----------------------------
--Date: 25 Sep 1992 08:36:23 -0700From:
[e-mail]: Could you please put me on
the mailing listTo: [e-mail] you please put me
on the mailing list.------------------------------Date: Fri, 25
Sep 1992 18:40:14 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hpcvaac!hpcvaac.cv.hp.com![e-mail]
D.EDUSubject: Programs for th HP95LXTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Ted Cline) writes:|> > In rec.radio.amateur.packet,
[e-mail] (JEFF ZELL NK3O) writes:|> > Are there
any FTP sites that would have PD or SW software for the HP95?|>
|> You might try the Hewlett-Packard Calculator Bulletin
Board,|> hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com :|> A major repository for hp95
programs is eddie.mit.edu in the /distrib/hp95lx directoryRon
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #262******************************Date:
Sun, 27 Sep 92 04:30:03 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
[e-mail]-To:
[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #263To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Sun,
27 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 263Today's Topics:
AEA-2232, LL Grace DSP-12, 9600 G3RUH, KISS, and KA9Q
              AEA DSP box and me                             AEA
PKT-1 ?                       Internet Gateway Policy
                   MBXA 64                    Packet software
for the Amiga?                   rsgb gb2rs news  27th
septemberSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:26:18 GMTFrom:
mjbtn![e-mail]: AEA-2232, LL Grace DSP-12, 9600
G3RUH, KISS, and KA9QTo: [e-mail],I am thinking
about buying one of the two units mentioned in the subjectline.
I understand that they both handle KISS mode.  What I don't
know(and I hope some real users of these units can elaborate),
is if I haveeither of these units, and I have them set in KISS
mode (say using 9600baud between the computer and the dsp box)
and I am running KA9Q NOSunder dos and/or unix (os not really
important here), can I operate theG3RUH 9600 capability under
TCP/IP to link to other 9600 tcp/ip nodesrunning, say, Gracilis
PacketTwin's?That is, KA9Q software as comes from WG7J, KA9Q,
PA0GRI, ie, without special mods for 9600 tcp/ip and/or special
mods for the hardware.  Iassume that since these units can run
KISS, that the KISS drivers inKA9Q will work with them.  I guess
you would set the 9600 baud modem modethen start KISS.  I know
WG7J is working on JNOS which interfaces withhigh speed modems,
but I think that this is a NON-KISS interface (likeinterfacing
with an ethernet card on the bus).  Summarizing, with existing
KA9Q software and either of these unitsrunning 9600 G3RUH in
KISS mode, can I do 9600 TCP/IP?  If so, wouldactual doers of
this please describe setup/configration steps forthe one you
have.  Is one better at this than the other????  Sinceit seems
that Bob McGwier may not be working on the DSP-2232
anymore,should one steer towards the LL Grace DSP-12?  Thanks
for any and all comments and advise!  I really appreciate
it!73's,Mark-- Mark J. Bailey, N4XHX
 _______/====X11====\_______USMAIL: 511 Memorial Blvd.,
Murfreesboro, TN 37129 |         JobSoft         |VOICE:  +1 615
893 0098                            | Design & Development
Co.|UUCP:   ...!uunet!mjbtn!mjb, ...!raider!mjbtn!mjb  |
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76314,160  ---------------------------<KA9Q-UNIX-USERS Mailing
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--Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:02:53 GMTFrom:
mjbtn![e-mail]: AEA DSP box and meTo:
[e-mail] <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob
McGwier) writes:>I am constantly being asked `when will XXXXX be
in the AEA DSP box?' or>`when are you guys going to do YYYYYY?',
etc.  I wrote all the DSP code for>AEA that is in the DSP2232
and DSP1232 as of two months ago.  Please be>advised that I no
longer have anything to do with AEA.  My relationship>with them
has ended.  Should you be concerned that the author of this
code>is not supporting it, and wonder who is (especially if you
have not purchased>a unit yet) and would like to know who is
responsible for the answers to the>questions above, please
direct them to AEA and not to me.  I do not even>own a DSP2232
or DSP1232 and cannot support you in any way so for
technical>information on the units, please direct these
inquiries to AEA also and>cease bothering me with mail I have
been ignoring anyway.>BobI admire Bob for the time and
committment he has made in producing thesoftware for the 2232.
I am sure that it is the best around.  But (and Ihave
experienced similar "parting of the waters" myself) if (as Bob
describes above) he is no longer having anything to do with AEA,
the implications that he makes about "concerns" are really
bothersome to me!As I said, it is no doubt the best available
now, but all the additionalthings that we have been asking if
the 2232 would be able to handle downthe road are now (IMHO)
uncertain.  I know that Bob is not the only onethat can program,
but having been the sole (I assume) DSP programmer for the 2232,
I would suspect that AEA is going to face a real lag time
incoming up to speed with another programmer that *knows* the
code that BOB WROTE and has equal expertise in this field.What I
am driving at is that I *WAS* going to buy a 2232 (mainly
becauseI have great faith in Bob's ability).  But if he is no
longer involvedand does not appear to be doing anything further
with it, I am *VERY*hesitant to invest THAT KIND OF MONEY to
what is now an uncertain future.What if a bug shows up?  What if
whomever follows Bob on this project decides to "improve" on
things?  In other words, I would no doubt buy the2232 if the
author of the code was continuing to improve it.  But I haveseen
too many cases where a company develops something, then
theperson(s) that develop that something for said company
somehow get"stirred up" and in the company's reorganization
effort for said development, chaos results.  This would
certainly scare me!Now, the question is (and Bob your input is
welcome - though not solicited:-)), does one buy the 2232 or
should I now (forbid) go with the L.L.Grace DSP-12 ?  It is
cheaper (and maybe inferior), but at this point, I feel probably
has a more certain future (or maybe I should say consistent).  I
don't know.  I am asking for your thoughts.  I don't have the
moneyfor either units to "blow", so my invstment must be the
wisest one!  Any input would be greatly appreciated!Bob, sorry
things turned sour.  Thanks for what you did manage to getdone!
I am sorry to see you off the project.73's,Mark-- Mark J.
Bailey, N4XHX
_______/====X11====\_______USMAIL: 511 Memorial Blvd.,
Murfreesboro, TN 37129 |         JobSoft         |VOICE:  +1 615
893 0098                            | Design & Development
Co.|UUCP:   ...!uunet!mjbtn!mjb, ...!raider!mjbtn!mjb  |
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--Date: 26 Sep 92 23:39:04 GMTFrom:
usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx![e-mail]
ct: AEA PKT-1 ?To: [e-mail] picked up an AEA PKT-1
today at a swapfest, complete with docs (and I
meaneverything--all the manuals, technical manual, and
I-don't-know-what-all ...) Anyway ... Does anyone know anything
about this TNC? Is it upgradable to workwith higher speeds and
these nifty new modes that I know nothing about? Howcan I get
ahold of whoever ad the upgrade if it is available? Is it worth
it?Any other info is of course greatfully appreciated: Advice,
warning, or any-thing. I'm new with this packet stuff.
:-)73Buddy, KB5ELV------------------------------Date: 26 Sep
1992 23:13:21 -0500From:
sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!news
@network.UCSD.EDUSubject: Internet Gateway PolicyTo:
[e-mail] seems like several of the internet hams
are now forwarding Usenet/Internet/UUCP mail and news to packet.
 Assuming you all trust each other, you could pool your
resourcesand start sharing the load of hand filtering traffic.
For example, once someone filters a news article, send it to
other gateway sitesas pre-approved so it doesn't have to be
re-filtered.  -Steve Schallehn  KB0AGD Kansas State
Univeristy------------------------------Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92
23:04:34 GMTFrom:
mcsun!sun4nl!hacktic!utopia![e-mail]: MBXA
64To: [e-mail], I'm searching for the latest
version of the Commodore 64 packetradio program DIGIPROM MBXA
64. I also want some info about Packet Radio from real HAM RADIO
amateurs.Because I'm not good how to explain it to other people.
I was asked by a dutch computer magazine to write an article
aboutPacket Radio. They want that I'll stimulate the dutch
datacomfreaks. Well I'm already doing packet radio on 11m and it
is great ! Greets Wildcat Jr. [e-mail]
(wildcat)------------------------------Date: 26 Sep 92 03:14:31
PSTFrom:
usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!waikato.ac.n
z!comp.vuw.ac.nz!amigans!glasgow![e-mail]:
Packet software for the Amiga?To: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Charles H. Beck) writes:>In article
<[e-mail]>,>[e-mail].
nz (Grant Thoms) wrote:>> >> Greetings>> >> I'm wanting to  get
into Amateur Radio and Packet sometime in the near>> Future, I
have an Amiga 500 with 1 meg memory, is there software>>
available to run Packet on my Amiga?>> `There is plenty of good
packet software available for Amiga's. The AmigaNOS software for
the Amiga is much easier to use, being multiple windowing, and
multitasking, than the PC versions. AmigaNOS is a robust version
of the TCP/IP based KA9Q internet software, and includes support
for SLIP connections,newsmailer, and many, many other features.
Also there are some good PD term programs, if your not up for
tackling TCP/IP packet quite yet.'Thanks for the info. As of yet
I don't have my License, but I was reallycurious as to wether I
could or not, thats a huge relief. Is there anyonewilling to
teach me stuff through email about Amateur Radio??Cheers,Grant
(No callsign of yet! ) (I'm a callsign virgin!) :-)--
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
\/        Grant Thoms (Zoltar) Co-Sysop of `Silent Imperium' BBS
 //                [e-mail]\X/
               ----         Standard Quote: `Insert $10 for the
next 0.5 seconds'                *** Opinions expressed are my
own
***\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
\/\/\------------------------------Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992
01:18:55 +0000From:
pipex!demon!tedb.demon.co.uk![e-mail]: rsgb gb2rs
news  27th septemberTo: [e-mail] morning. It's
Sunday the 27th of September and here is the GB2RS
newsbroadcast, prepared by the Radio Society of Great
Britain.First the headlines:- UoSAT 22 helps with hurricane
emergency in Hawaii; HFField Day headlines; City & Guilds fee
increase.------------------------------Date: (null)From:
(null)Now the ionospheric data for the north:The F2 daytime
critical frequencies at Irkutsk averaged 6.8MHz, and thedarkness
hour lows 3.1MHz. Solar cycle 22 is still giving us some
surprises.In spite of the recent steep decline, the last solar
rotation 1859 gave us 22M and 3 X type flares, making it the
most active rotation since last February,and the 6th of
September with 10 M and 2 X flares was the most active daysince
7th March 1991.And lastly the solar forecast:This week, the more
active side of the sun will be coming into view. Solarflux
levels are expected to be about the 100s. Geomagnetic activity
willpossibly reach unsettled levels towards the end of the week.
MUFs duringdaylight are expected to reach 24MHz, and darkness
hour lows 21MHz. East westpaths should be best on 14MHz around
midnight.        And that's the end of the solar
information.Finally in the main news, the licence issuing
agency, SSL, has informed theSociety that as of last Wednesday
morning, the latest callsigns issued were inthe G0 S L and G7 N
Sa series, and Novice calls in the 2 0 A D and2 1 B C
series.You're listening to GB2RS, the news broadcasting service
of the Radio Societyof Great Britain, transmitting in the 80,
40, 6 and 2 metre bands.------------------------------Date:
(null)From: (null)Next the results of the RSGB HF SSB National
Field Day which took place duringthe first weekend last June.
The Open Section was won by the Reading andDistrict Amateur
Radio Club, G3ULT/P with 5328 points and runner-up was
thePlymouth Radio Club, G3PRC/P with 4805 points. The Restricted
Section was wonby the Gravesend Radio Society, G3GRS/P, with a
score of 5121 points, with theRed Dragon Contest Group, GW8GT/P,
as runner-up with 4943 points. The QRPRestricted Section was won
by the Adur DX Club, G4BUE/P, with 2801 points,with second place
going to the Echelford Amateur Radio Society, G3UES/P, with2556
points. Overall 93 groups entered for the contest.
Congratulations to allconcerned. The full results will be
published in Radio Communication just assoon as space
permits.City and Guilds Centre Registration fees are going up by
100% as from the 1stof October 1992. All Clubs wishing to
register as a City and GuildsExamination centres for the Novice
Radio Amateur Examination and the RadioAmateur Examination need
to get their application requests into City andGuilds before the
end of September.Now some items of HF DX news from the weekly
RSGB DX News Sheet which isedited by Brendan McCartney, G4DYO.
From China, F6FYA and FD1SQM will use theclub station BY1BJ on
the 2nd, 10th and 31st of October, and also during theCQWW SSB
and CW Contests. From Market Reef, members of the DX contest
ClubOH1AF will sign OH1AF/OJ0 on all Bands and Modes, including
WARC, RTTY, 6metre and OSCAR. Activity to start around the 7th
of October for one week.------------------------------Date:
(null)From: (null)Rally news now, and we know of two events for
today Sunday the 27th.The Harlow Amateur Radio Rally is being
held at the Harlow Town Sports Centre,Hammarskjold Road, off
Fifth Avenue, Harlow. There is easy access off the M11Motorway
at junction 7, the A414. The venue is signposted from this
location.Doors open at 10.30am and the event features traders,
large bring and buy andspecial interest groups. There is on-site
parking with full facilities fordisabled visitors and
refreshments will be available. Talk-in by G6UT is onchannels
S22 and SU22.The North Wakefield Amateur Radio Club Radio Rally
is being held at theOutwood Grange School, Potovens Lane,
Outwood, Wakefield. The school islocated one mile from Junction
41 of the M1 and M62 Motorways. Doors open at11am, 10.30am for
disabled visitors. The event features trade stands, a bringand
buy stall and repeater group and Novice stands. Refreshments
areavailable. Talk-in by G4NOK will be on channel S22.There are
three events for next Sunday the 4th of October.The Blackwood
and District Amateur Radio Society Rally is to be held at
theOakdale Community College, Blackwood, Gwent. Doors will open
at 10.30am andthe event features traders, a bring and buy.
Talk-in is on channel S22.Further details can be obtained from
GW0MAW by telephoning 0495 227550.The Great Lumley Radio Rally
will be held at the Community Centre, GreatLumley, Nr
Chester-le-Street, County Durham. Doors will open at 11am,
10.30amfor disabled visitors. The event features trade stands, a
bring and buy, andrefreshments will be available. Further
details can be obtained from G1JDP bytelephoning 091 388
5936.The Wincanton Radio and Electronics Rally is to be held at
the WincantonRacecourse, Somerset. Doors will open at 10.00am
and the event features tradestands, car boot sale and
refreshments will be available. Talk-in will be onchannel S22.
Further details can be obtained from G4YXX by telephoning
074985432.HF Contest news now:During Thursday the 1st of
October, the next RSGB QRS Cumulative contests willtake place.
These events feature slow Morse and further details can be
foundin July's RadCom.During next weekend, Saturday the 3rd and
Sunday the 4th, the VK-ZL SSBContest is due to take place. See
September RadCom page 14 for furtherdetails.Next the VHF/UHF
Contest news:The next RSGB VHF event is the 144MHz CW Cumulative
which runs from 1930 to2200GMT on Thursday the 1st of
October.During next Saturday the RSGB's 1296MHz Trophy will run
between 1400 and2200GMT.The RSGB's 432MHz to 24GHz Trophy
Contest will take place from 1400GMT onSaturday the 3rd to
1400GMT on Sunday the 4th.The 2.3GHz Trophy Contest will run
between 0800 to 1400GMT on Sunday the 4th.All of the Contest
feature a SWL Section. See June RadCom for further
details.Special eventsOn Thursday the 1st of October REME will
celebrate it's 50th Anniversary. Tomark the occasion the
Arborfield Amateur Radio Club plans to operate the clubstation
from midnight GMT on the 30th of September to midnight GMT on
Thursdaythe 1st of October using the callsign GX3IHH.Activity on
any HF band will centre on frequencies 10kHz above RSARS SSB
Netfrequencies, and 10kHz below RSARS CW Net frequencies
plus/minus QRM. Furtherdetails can be obtained from G3ADJ by
telephoning 0734 734882.During Thursday the 1st of October the
Houghton-le-Spring Amateur Radio Clubwill use the callsign GB6HF
during their display of the History of Radio atthe Kepier Hall,
Houghton-le-SpringNow for some news on repeaters:Two repeaters
have shut down due to the site being sold and redeveloped.
Therepeaters in question are GB3PE and GB3PB.And now the solar
factual data:There was a major opening on the two metre band on
the evening of the 16th.The panic on the money markets was as
nothing, compared to the bedlam whichtook place when SU1MOZ/P
appeared with a 5/9 signal. He apologised for notworking the
weaker stations, as most of northern Europe were calling him
andhe had severe interference from stations off the back of his
beam. The Tropoopening extended from Spain right across Europe
to Poland and up to Norway.Solar activity, as expected, declined
and only two small M-type flares werereported. However
geomagnetic activity reached storm levels on the 17th butwas
declining as this bulletin was being prepared on the 21st. For
the period13th to 20th September, spot counts meaned around 98
but varied considerablyday to day. Solar flux levels declined
over the period and averaged 119 units.The geomagnetic activity
started very quiet but, by the 16th, was up to veryunsettled
levels, with a full storm developing on the 17th reaching an
Apindex of 68 units. It was possible that an aurora took place.
The periodaveraged an AP index of 19.5 units. Apart from the
flares and magnetic stormthe state has been 'nothing to report'.
Not surprising the radio qualityindices declined to very poor by
the 17th due to the magnetic storm, but hadrecovered to become
very good by the 20th, with the Canberra and Tokyocircuits being
up to excellent. The aa indices as supplied by the
BritishGeological urvey for the period 8th to 14th September
gave a daily average of45.3 nanoTeslas for the period, but on
the 9th was up to 111.8 nanoTeslas withthe afternoon auroral
peak up to 310 nanoTeslas, equivalent to K7 plus.Bartells
rotation 2174 begins on September 27th.Now the ionospheric data
for England and Wales:Due to a major breakdown at Appleton we
have filled in with ionospheric datafrom Poitiers in France
which is on the Greenwich Meridian at 46 degreesnorth. So the F2
daytime critical frequencies at Slough, as reported byAppleton
for the 11th to 15th, were 7.4MHz and the darkness hour lows
3.0MHz.------------------------------End of Packet-Radio Digest
V92 #263******************************Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92
04:30:05 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and Newsgroup
<[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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[e-mail]: BulkSubject: Packet-Radio
Digest V92 #264To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Mon,
28 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 264Today's Topics:
              AmigaNOS on A500                         AmigaNOS
with POP3?                   Internet Gateway newsgroup cfd?
                  Internet Gateway Policy
Looking for help with MSYS             New Packet User... I have
some questions...                     Packet-Radio Digest V92
#259                        Programs for th HP95LX
         TheNet X1G (high/low)                      UNIVERSITY
PROJECT HELP!!!Send Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: 27 Sep 92 16:58:39 PSTFrom:
usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!amigans!glasgow!zoltar@ne
twork.UCSD.EDUSubject: AmigaNOS on A500To:
[e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Where's my chainsaw?)
writes:>You can get started quite well with only a TNC and a
terminal program.Don't forget, I know hardly anything about
Packet or Amateur Radio.Is the TNC the actual `Hardware' as such
like the Packet hardware,and the radio setup? >AmigaNOS is great
(I have it), but it takes a lot of space, so>1 meg of memory
might not be sufficient in some cases (depending on>what else
you're doing at the time). Also, a hard drive is >indispensible
for AmigaNOS.Oh dear, Hmm.. sounds like I would be just a tad
out of reach of using it,seeing as I only have 2 drives and 1
meg of memory.. (sigh..)>Depends on your desire and budget,
Zoltar.The desire...Well I have a real interest in it, it's just
the moneyside of the whole hobby. I've seen Packet and Amateur
up and running,also Amateur TV.. Cheers,Grant--
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
\/        Grant Thoms (Zoltar) Co-Sysop of `Silent Imperium' BBS
 //                [e-mail]\X/
               ----         Standard Quote: `Insert $10 for the
next 0.5 seconds'                *** Opinions expressed are my
own
***\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
\/\/\------------------------------Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992
20:02:30 GMTFrom:
psinntp!isc-newsserver![e-mail]: AmigaNOS
with POP3?To: [e-mail] Folks,I recently became
qrv in at a new location and found out that the localTCP/IP
system only runs POP3.  AmigaNOS only contains POP2
server/clientprograms.  Does anyone know if POP3 will be
incorporated into futurereleases of AmigaNOS (I have Amiganos
2.9f).  Also, has anyone ever used the nntp stuff over Packet
TCPIP? If so, howdid it work?Thanks for your input..Bernd
Doehner NU1S,OK8EAS -- Electrical Engineering, Rochester
Institute of Technology, Rochester,NYAx25 Packet: NU1S @
WB2PSI.#WNY.NY.USA.NOAM  (normal packet route) Internet
(school):
[e-mail]------------------------------Date: 27
Sep 92 14:39:38 GMTFrom:
ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!uofs![e-mail]:
Internet Gateway newsgroup cfd?To: [e-mail]
about an even more radical (but practical) idea.Why not forget
this whole packet/INTERNET gateway garbage and just start
connecting our litle pockets of IP activity directly to the
INTERNET??If you can justify connecting thru the backdoor, you
should be able to justify a real connection.  And as for limited
access, there are a lot of companies that run firewall systems
to limit access to their local networks.Doesn't this sound
familiar??Let's drop all this silly hide-and-seek garbage and
take our place onthe INTERNET where we belong.bill   KB3YV--
 Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't
here,     [e-mail]   |  This space would be left
intentionally blank     [e-mail]    |
#include <std.disclaimer.h>
------------------------------Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 18:17:26
GMTFrom:
usc!wupost!gumby!destroyer!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta
.ca!ersys!ve6mgs![e-mail]: Internet Gateway
PolicyTo: [e-mail]@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve
Schallehn) sez:>It seems like several of the internet hams are
now forwarding >Usenet/Internet/UUCP mail and news to packet.
>>Assuming you all trust each other, you could pool your
resources>and start sharing the load of hand filtering traffic.
For example, >once someone filters a news article, send it to
other gateway sites>as pre-approved so it doesn't have to be
re-filtered.  Well, sounds like a great idea.I have found
timeliness of `regular' (ie, non amsat/arl/kep stuff) not
veryimportant so your suggestion is quite workable otherwise as
it could even takea week delay for someone to moderate and not
cause any undue grief.I would suggest that it be better, under
the guidelines of USENET, that a newmoderated group:
rec.radio.amateur.to-packet for example, be created thatallows
even wana-bee gateway operators a chance to perform these
gateway dutiesthrough the magic of moderation. The moderators
duties would be to ensure thatinteresting articles posted to the
various rec.radio.amateur.* groups beacceptable for packet
operation, and perhaps even be formatted (SB.*/EX) andpossibly
edited (remove any .sigs with company information) and be ready
forsending to packet. Messages taken off packet could also be
placed in the groupas a means of `wormholing' packet bulletins
as well as well as to provideentertainment to the USENET
community ...Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark
-sk-------------------------------Date: 27 Sep 92 12:04:50
GMTFrom:
deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!sousa.ltn.dec.com!bobseg.enet.
dec.com![e-mail]: Looking for help with
MSYSTo: [e-mail],Several hams in the
Culpeper Virginia area are in the process of setting up aLAN to
support our packet activities.  I am providing a BBS service
using MSYSand have reached a point where I need to get the mail
forwarding mechanismset up properly.  I would like to correspond
with someone familiar with MSYS toget some guidance on this
topic.  If you can help, please contact me directlyvia Internet
mail at [e-mail].--Bob Segrest,
[e-mail]------------------------------Da
te: 27 Sep 1992 14:26:29 GMTFrom:
agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu![e-mail]: New
Packet User... I have some questions...To:
[e-mail] there any decent Packet BBSs for a unix
box?Are there any packet communications packages for a unix
box?Would you recommend running a Packet off a DOS (286) or
(386) or Unix?Please send all replies via
email...CW------------------------------Date: 27 Sep 1992
16:43:18 -0700From: [e-mail]:
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #259To: [e-mail] am new to
the area of packet radio and I have been readingvarious radio
mags such as Popular Communications.I notice there are ads for
software which run on a PC forlistening only, needing only a
shortwave receiver.I would like to do this first for a while
before being involvedin sending (and therefore needing a
license).My questions are:   is there Shareware available for PC
to                     =translate= signals coming off a
shortwave                     receiver, packet, etc.?
                          best recommended software?
      what minimum type receiver needed?                   how
large memory needed for PC?                   I only have a 256K
Tandy at this point.thanks.--            Mike Romano     Univ.
Calif. Berkeley------------------------------Date: 27 Sep 1992
18:08:41 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!wupost!bcm!lib!oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu![e-mail]
SD.EDUSubject: Programs for th HP95LXTo: [e-mail]
article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ted Cline) writes:>> In rec.radio.amateur.packet,
[e-mail] (JEFF ZELL NK3O) writes:>> Are there any
FTP sites that would have PD or SW software for the HP95?>You
might try the Hewlett-Packard Calculator Bulletin
Board,>hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com :Another good place to find HP95LX
software is eddie.mit.edu, in the/distrib/hp95lx (I think)
directory. This site is mirrored at col.hp.com, aswell.-- Jay
Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that
which [e-mail]      | adequately be
explained by stupidity.    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November:
Throw out the check-bouncing,  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress!
(obviously, not an opinion of
UTHSCH)------------------------------Date: 27 Sep 1992 21:05:51
-0700From: [e-mail]: TheNet X1G
(high/low)To: [e-mail] the documentation for
TheNet X1G, there is mention of another versionthat is available
that includes the old HIGH/LOW commands that allow thesysop to
turn on the Connect LED or the Sta LED, for remote control
ofdevices at the site.  The author mentions that he felt that
not too manypeople used this function anymore so they were
deleted, but a versionwith the commands still active was
available.Does anyone know where I could get the version with
the HIGH/LOW commandsstill active?  I need something like this
before I can replace the ver.2.08 Plus that I am running now.
(It also has an ON/OFF command).  I usethis feature to reset a
PC at the site, and also to turn on & off an ampfor one of the
rigs.By the way... I am REALLY impressed with this version of
TheNet code.  Iwondered if anyone would ever incorporate the old
"bank switching"technology from the days of CP/M, and was very
happy to see it being donewith the TNC-2.  A lot of thought and
hard work went into this code andit really shows.Does anyone
know an e-mail address for the author other than packet?Any help
would be very much appreciated.  Thanks.Mark
[e-mail] [packet
radio][e-mail]
[internet]------------------------------Date: 27 Sep 92 15:22:14
GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!sot-ecs!lm89@network.U
CSD.EDUSubject: UNIVERSITY PROJECT HELP!!!To:
[e-mail] anyone recommend a good reference work
(either a journal articleor a book or any other source where I
can find out something aboutdigital satellite packet radio
protocols, especially pertaining toUOSAT.I have to design a
satellite packet radio archiver this autumn soI'll need all the
reference work I can get.Thanks!  All contributions (no matter
how small) gratefully received.-- Lawrence McIlhoney Esq.,
Department of ElectronicsUniversity of Southampton, United
Kingdom."Live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse
-preferably someone else's."  E-mail
[e-mail]------------------------------End of
Packet-Radio Digest V92 #264******************************Date:
Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:30:02 PDTFrom: Packet-Radio Mailing List and
Newsgroup <[e-mail]>Errors-To:
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Digest V92 #265To: packet-radioPacket-Radio Digest         Tue,
29 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue 265Today's Topics:
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AmigaNOS                           AmigaNOS on A500
           Converse/Chate Nodes                  Dallas Digital
Committee Mtg News                   HELP: Kenwood TM431 on 9600
baud                 info request for "poor man's packet"
       Internet/Packet Gateways in Des Moines??
Internet Gateway newsgroup cfd? (2 msgs)
Internet Gateway Policy                      MFJ-1270B QUESION
(HELP!)                     STS-47/SAREX Orbit 92 & QUT
           THENET X1G uploaded? where?
TNC Wanted:  PK-232MBX                      Victoria - Vancouver
LinkSend Replies or notes for publication to:
<[e-mail]>Send subscription requests to:
<[e-mail]>Problems you can't solve
otherwise to [e-mail] of past issues of the
Packet-Radio Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in
directory "mailarchives/packet-radio".We trust that readers are
intelligent enough to realize that all textherein consists of
personal comments and does not represent the officialpolicies or
positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So
there.-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:15:32 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!skyler.mav
d.honeywell.com![e-mail]: <None>To:
[e-mail]--
_________________________________________________________________
_____________Carl Estey                  |  Home Mail Address:
276 Walnut LaneAmateur Callsign:    WA0CQG |
Apple Valley, MN 55124                            |  Business
Address:  Honeywell Inc.Phone: Work [phone]  |  Flight
Systems & Test Operations M/S MN15-2370       FAX  (612)
542-6003  |  1625 Zarthan Ave. S., St. Louis Park, MN 55416
 Home [phone]  |  Packet: WA0CQG @
WA0CQG.#SOMSP.MN.USA.NA   The nonsense here is of my own making
- no one else would want
credit!------------------------------Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992
19:08:50 GMTFrom:
swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywel
l.com!skyler.mavd.honeywell.com![e-mail]:
<None>To: [e-mail]--
_________________________________________________________________
_____________Carl Estey                  |  Home Mail Address:
276 Walnut LaneAmateur Callsign:    WA0CQG |
Apple Valley, MN 55124                            |  Business
Address:  Honeywell Inc.Phone: Work [phone]  |  Flight
Systems & Test Operations M/S MN15-2370       FAX  (612)
542-6003  |  1625 Zarthan Ave. S., St. Louis Park, MN 55416
 Home [phone]  |  Packet: WA0CQG @
WA0CQG.#SOMSP.MN.USA.NA   The nonsense here is of my own making
- no one else would want
credit!------------------------------Date: 28 Sep 1992 08:24:11
-0700From: [e-mail]: AmigaNOSTo:
[e-mail]>Don't forget, I know hardly anything about
Packet or Amateur Radio.>Is the TNC the actual `Hardware' as
such like the Packet hardware,>and the radio setup?Yes, that is
the hardware.  You connect your 500 to the TNC, run the
terminalprogram, and you are (in theory) ready to go.  (You'll
have to learn some of theins and outs of packet, but just
monitoring is pretty easy.)  I run on an A3000and a PK-88, total
setup time was about two minutes.I'd save AmigaNOS until after I
learned more about packet.  It'll be easier toset up that
way.Scott
_______________________________________________________________
     |Robert Zakary Scott Haney:   Poet, Philosopher, Programmer
  |       |
       |       |Internet:
[e-mail]         |       |
          [e-mail]         |
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~--
----------------------------Date: 28 Sep 92 16:16:06 GMTFrom:
agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!mucs!nessie!goshawk![e-mail]
t: AmigaNOS on A500To: [e-mail] article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Grant Thoms) writes:|> Oh dear,
Hmm.. sounds like I would be just a tad out of reach of using
it,|> seeing as I only have 2 drives and 1 meg of memory..
(sigh..)|> |> GrantHmmmm, I thought it was just the UK hams who
ran Amiga from floppy.  I will compile a cut down version of
AmigaNOS if you want..JohnG1YYH
------------------------------Date: 28 Sep 1992 06:17:26
-0700From: [e-mail]: Converse/Chate
NodesTo: [e-mail]'m looking for information
regarding the Converse/Chat Node software.Hardware requirements,
limitations, info on experiences, etc.ThanksRon -
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:28:54 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!sk
yler.mavd.honeywell.com![e-mail]: Dallas
Digital Committee Mtg NewsTo: [e-mail] HFNEWS @
USA < W3IWI $DFW_REPORTHF Digital Accord Reached in Dallas
On September 26, the ARRL Digital Committee met in Dallas
withfive representatives of the present HF automatic-forwarding
STAnetworks to discuss means of continuing the benefits of
theexisting operational forwarding networks while protecting
theinterests of other users of the bands.  The participants took
noteof the IARU Region 2 digital band plan which was adopted
September4 in Curacao.  This international agreement opened the
door toreconsideration of recent recommendations of the
Committee to theARRL Board of Directors.     Resulting from the
meeting was a recommendation that the partof the IARU Region 2
band plan that provides for digital forwardingbe incorporated
into the US regulations.  This recommendation willbe forwarded
by the Committee to the ARRL Board for theirconsideration as a
potential petition for rulemaking to the FCC. An ARRL request
for extension of the current STA for the periodduring which new
rules are under consideration is also recommended.     In
concert with the recommendation, which would both allowautomatic
operation and provide rules to protect nonautomatic usersof the
band, the participants formulated a tentative voluntary bandplan
for the digital parts of the MF and HF bands.  Interestedparties
are encouraged to comment on the tentative band plan, whichwill
be made widely available.     The participants agreed that the
changing nature of thedigital state of the art requires that
periodic review of nationaland international band plans be
performed.  The Committee pledgesto work with all segments of
the digital community to suggest suchchanges to the band plans
as may be needed in coming years.
--------------------------------------------------W3IWI NOTES:
Those attending the meeting in Dallas were:     ARRL Digital
Committee: W5TOO (chairman), W5SMM, WA8DRZ, AD7I & W6IWO
ARRL Board Liasion: N5TC     ARRL HQ Representative:  KE3Z
HF STA Representatives: W3IWI (spokesman), W0RLI, WA0CQG, KD7XG
& AD8I  The preceeding text was agreed as a brief statement of
what happened.More news will follow later as the detailed report
from the Digital Committeeto the ARRL Board is prepared. The
meeting, while intense, showed totalcooperation by all the
participants. The emphasis was that all the digitalmodes (RTTY,
AMTOR, PACKET and newly developing technology) would sink or
swim together and that we needed a scheme that would support
orderly developments for the next 10-20 years.  The big
breakthru was possible because all parties WANTED an amiable
solution, and because of the development of the IARU Region 2
Digital Bandplan at the Sept. 4th meeting in Curacao. More to
follow -- 73 de Tom,
W3IWI____________________________________________________________
__________________Carl Estey                  |  Home Mail
Address: 276 Walnut LaneAmateur Callsign:    WA0CQG |
         Apple Valley, MN 55124                            |
Business Address:  Honeywell Inc.Phone: Work [phone]  |
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credit!------------------------------Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992
13:52:59 GMTFrom:
news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu![e-mail]
ect: HELP: Kenwood TM431 on 9600 baudTo: [e-mail]
just purchased an used Kenwood TM431: 70cm 35w mobile rig that I
wantto use with the TAPR 9600 baud modem for packet.  My
question:How do I interface the radio to the modem?I have
Curtis' "9600 baud packet handbook" and it mentions that the
TM431 has been used successfully with the modem.Unfortunately, I
do not have the schematic and so I would appreciateany help that
I can get.ThanksRajivaa9ch------------------------------Date:
Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:34:55 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!usenet@net
work.UCSD.EDUSubject: info request for "poor man's packet"To:
[e-mail],I've just read an article about a kit,
that would cost about 30 dollars to  make, which gives you
packet on the mac.  (_73 amateur radio today_ oct  '92)in that
same issue I see a small p/review (for PacComm's Baymod-9 $65)
and an ad for Tigertronics's BayPac model BP-1 ($50).  Does
anybody have  any experience with these products?  Apperently,
via software and by use  of the computers serial line chip, the
cost of getting on the air with  packet is greatly reduced.  I
was wondering if you lose any features?  as  compared to say the
full blown TNC's that cost over 100 dollars?also, any pointers
to other kits that can be made for under 50 bucks or any
opinions from anyone that has made or tried any of the
abovegreatly appreciated.john
N2RJE------------------------------Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992
20:14:25 GMTFrom:
sdd.hp.com!caen!destroyer!news.iastate.edu!vincent2.iastate.edu!t
[e-mail]: Internet/Packet Gateways in Des
Moines??To: [e-mail] am just wondering if anyone
knows of any Internet/Packet gateways in oraround Des Moines,
Iowa or as close to here as possible.  Thank you for your time.
Please E-Mail direct to me if you have any answers.73,Todd
Wheeler N0NUMSecretary, Cyclone ARCIowa State
[e-mail]------------------------------Date:
 Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:19:11 GMTFrom:
usc!rpi!clarkson!phoenix.erc.clarkson.edu![e-mail]
ject: Internet Gateway newsgroup cfd?To: [e-mail]>
Why not forget this whole packet/INTERNET gateway garbage and
just start > connecting our litle pockets of IP activity
directly to the INTERNET??How do you stop a ham user from
accepting an offer on misc.forsale?---Rob Logan           AMA
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