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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: The theatre of the absurd
- Message-ID: <nyikos.721360658@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions? Dream on...
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- References: <1992Oct30.195615.18284@acd4.acd.com> <1992Nov3.005245.12388@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- Date: 10 Nov 92 01:57:38 GMT
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- In <1992Nov3.005245.12388@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Oct30.195615.18284@acd4.acd.com> wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck) writes:
- >>In <1992Oct29.004833.12681@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu
- >> (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes: >
- >>In article <1992Oct27.205204.682@acd4.acd.com> wdo@TEFS1.acd.com
- >> (Bill Overpeck) writes: >>
- >>In <1992Oct23.233107.24256@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu
- >> (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes: >>>
- >>
- >>>
- >>>>>Right after we aquit Dr. Kevorkian for his part in the deaths of
- >>>>>his "patients".
- >>>
- >>>>If I was on the jury at his trial, I would acquit him.
- >>>
- >>>No surprise.
- >>>
- >>>>Because I feel
- >>>>that the "individual right" to decide when your life is over is a _good
- >>>>thing_. You apparantly feel it's a _bad thing_. Why?
- >>>
- >>>Many times the individual in question is depressed. Depressed people
- >>>have impaired decision-making abilities. In the absence of depression,
-
- I would put it in less clinical terms. In the Netherlands, where
- euthanasia is still technically illegal, but laws against it are
- not enforced, many if not most of voluntary cases of active euthanasia
- [there are quite a number of involuntary cases, too] involve not
- people who are terminally ill, not people who are in uncontrollable pain,
- but people who feel they are a "burden" to others.
-
- The potential for exploitation of this group is tremendous. Already
- some tribes in which old people who no longer contribute leave,
- voluntarily, to die
- of starvation, are held up to us as admirable by some writers.
-
- >>
- >>>>let's leave the medical community out of such decisions. The notion
- >>>>of our healers doubling as our executioners is just a bit too macabre
- >>>>to support. Also, on another level, I simply don't think it's our
- >>>>^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>>
- >>>Why? I have no problem supporting the concept.
- >>
- >>Fortunately, most of us seem to, including most of the medical
- >>community.
-
- So did anthropologist Margaret Mead:
-
- Throughout the primitive world the doctor and the sorcerer
- tended to be the same person...With the Greeks...the distinction
- was made clear. One profession, the followers of Asclepius,
- were to be dedicated completely to life under all circumstances,
- regardless of rank, age, or intellect--the life of a slave,
- the life of a foreign man, the life of a defective child...
- This is a priceless possession which we cannot afford to
- tarnish, but society always is attempting to make the physician
- into a killer--to kill the defective child at birth, to leave
- the sleeping pills beside the bed of the cancer patient.
- ...It is the duty of society to protect the physician from such
- requests.
- --quoted in _Psychiatry and Ethics_
- by Maurice Levine, M. D.
-
- >"Most of the medical community" is slowly changing its mind. Thank God.
-
- I wonder which God Keith is thanking. The evil Demiurge of the
- Gnostics, perhaps? Or the evil god of the Zoroastrians, the one
- (Ahriman, I believe he is called) in
- conflict with the good God Ahura-Mazda?
-
- Or maybe Chthulu? :-)
- I hope Clinton is a lesser evil. :-)
-
-