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  1. Newsgroups: talk.abortion
  2. Path: sparky!uunet!think.com!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!neit.cgd.ucar.edu!kauff
  3. From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
  4. Subject: Re: Pro-Choice Criteria for Personhood
  5. Message-ID: <1992Nov9.190227.4880@ncar.ucar.edu>
  6. Sender: news@ncar.ucar.edu (USENET Maintenance)
  7. Organization: Boulder CO
  8. References: <1992Nov6.190814.27317@ncar.ucar.edu> <1992Nov7.025338.15456@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
  9. Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:02:27 GMT
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  11.  
  12. >  = sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
  13. >> = kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman):
  14. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  15. >> *Obviously* there will always be some areas of contention wrt to what 
  16. >> constitutes a "person", but I think it's useful to narrow down the points 
  17. >> of disagreement.  Is anyone interested in doing this?  Or are we only 
  18. >> interested in wholesale acceptance/rejection of other people's ideas?
  19. >> 
  20. >> To that end, I challenge you to provide concise answers to the following:
  21. >> 
  22. >> Q1: Do you agree that the physical presence of a brain is necessary, 
  23. >>     although perhaps not sufficient, for "personhood"?  <yes xor no>
  24. >
  25. >A very qualified "no" (see response to Brian Kendig's post).
  26.  
  27. But you did say: "[...] So I would say that no living thing exists 
  28. that lacks a brain that I would call a person. [...]"  So appearently, wrt
  29. "living things" & abortion, a brain in a prerequisite for "personhood".
  30.  
  31. >> Q2: (I'm trying to establish that we agree that "persons" actually exist)
  32. >>     Do you agree that being a "normal, adult human" is sufficient, although 
  33. >>     perhaps not necessary, to establish "personhood"?  <yes xor no>  
  34. >Yes.
  35.  
  36. >> Q3: Do you agree that being a "normal, human infant" is sufficient, although 
  37. >>     perhaps not necessary, to establish "personhood"?  <yes xor no>
  38. >Yes.
  39.  
  40. - Brian
  41.