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- From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
- Subject: Re: Yet more unsubstantiated stuff from Nyikos
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- Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 06:12:27 GMT
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- In <1992Nov2.194806.1031@acd4.acd.com> wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck) writes:
- >In <1992Oct31.032532.28814@cs.yale.edu> : rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
- > (Eric Rescorla) writes: >
- >
- >This defense is fine insofar as it applies to the individual drug
- >user. It fails to (and cannot) take into account the adverse con-
- >sequences for the spouses, children et al of the user/abuser. And
-
- There are, generally speaking, no adverse consequences for the user.
- Abuser, of course, is a different story. You seem unable to distinguish
- between drug use and abuse.
-
- >those are the people that I see. I wish you could meet some of
- >them, especially the kids.
-
- I do know some children of abusers. (In fact, I just learned today that
- someone adopted 5 siblings, so the family didn't have to be broken up.)
- That they were abused is basically because their mother was abused, and has
- little to do with her drug abuse. Which, in turn, has nothing to do with
- recreational drug use.
-
- >It's no wonder there are so many angry conflicts in this group.
- >I honestly didn't mean my question to be offensive. I'll reword
- >it. Have you ever had to deal with the problems of a family who
- >has a member that is regularly drug impaired? When a father or
- >a mother is regularly impaired (i.e., is unable to relate effec-
- >tively with other family members; cannot be counted on to help
- >with home maintenance, to assist the kids with their homework,
- >to participate in family outings, to meet the emotional/companion-
- >ship needs of the family, etc.), the consequences extend far
- >beyond the life of the drug user.
-
- But you're describing an abuser, not a user.
-
- >At any rate, the incidence of such problems is widespread enough
- >that one certainly doesn't have to work in my profession to have
- >come into contact with it.
-
- Do you think that the fact that in your profession the only users you
- come in contact with (at least, where you *know* that they're users) are
- *abusers* might have anything to do with the problems you seem to have
- distinguishing the two?
-
- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
-