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- From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Religion & Physics Don't Mix
- Message-ID: <74170@hydra.gatech.EDU>
- Date: 9 Nov 92 15:26:04 GMT
- References: <1992Nov5.221645.26360@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU+ <73878@hydra.gatech.EDU| <BxB855.7Mq@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU|
- Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
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- In article <BxB855.7Mq@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU| sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner) writes:
- |In article <73878@hydra.gatech.EDU|, cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
- |[on whether religious talk can be considered meaningful]
- |
- ||| In order to judge whether a particular concept is meaningful, it is not enough
- ||| to ask if the concept exists. Even asking the question makes it clear that
- ||| it does. One must ask if the concept has any real referents. If it
- ||| cannot be shown that such referents exist, then the concept is meaningless
- ||| as it does not refer to anything.
- |
- |It's not clear to me exactly what you mean by reality. Religious believers in
- |general think that God is part of reality, just that he is not demostrable by
- |scientific means. Is reality to be identified with physical reality? In an
- |earlier post (which apparantly no longer exists -- is this an ironic gesture
- |on the part of Usenet?) you seemed to suggest that for a word or concept to be
- |meaningful, it had not only to refer to an element of reality, but had to refer
- |to an element that could (at least in principle) be detected. Is this in fact
- |your position?
-
- Yes. If God were part of reality, then his existence would be demonstrable.
- However, God is *defined* as being non-demonstrable.
-
- |It seems pretty clear to me that the concept of meaning that you espouse is
- |itself meaningless under your own definition (meaning does not, after all,
- |refer to anything observable), and is in fact a philosophical rather than
- |a scientific statement.
-
- Au contraire: I defined "meaning" in an earlier post. It most certainly
- refers to something real.
-
- Tim
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- Tim Dodd, Research Scientist, Georgia Tech: cegtitd@prism.gatech.edu
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