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- From: johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Religion & Physics Don't Mix
- Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:03:31 GMT
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- References: <1dbo90INNt4k@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> <1992Nov06.003459.120859@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1dchkqINNt4k@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> <1ded61INNin6@chnews.intel.com>
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- In article <1ded61INNin6@chnews.intel.com>, bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
- |>
- |> In article <1dchkqINNt4k@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk) writes:
- |> > ........... Science is more of a falsifier than deliverer of
- |> >truth and after enough "is, is not" the truth may become evident, or
- |> >at least accepted as such.
- |>
- |> Science may rationally improve its methods in order to more
- |> accurately determine the efficacy of its models. This does
- |> not imply in any way that the presenters of the previous models
- |> were making false claims, unless in the course of presenting
- |> the models they lied.
-
- Falsifier as in proving false, not representing falsely. Proving
- something to be false is not the same as stating the 'truth',
- and in this regard science has had a lot to say about religion
- as well as previous scientific 'truths'.
-
- |> In article <1992Nov6.020049.6292@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Ba
- |> ez) writes:
- |> >> If the truth is always changing then what is it after it changes ?
- |> >
- |> >"Error."
- |>
- Meaning in some cases that the previous statement was wrong and can
- no longer be regarded as the 'truth'; the nature of the atom, of
- galaxies, the apparent size of the universe, etc.
-
- |> Science, when presented properly, admits its faults to examination
- |> and discovery; it makes claims only about the logical deductions
- |> calculated and the experiments conducted, and those claims are
- |> only that the results are as they appear.
- |> ............
- |> In contrast, religion strives to hide its fundamental faults
- |> behind paradoxical aphorisms about faith and sin.
-
- Speaking as an agnostic supporter of science a problem that I've
- seen is that while science has had a lot to say about religious
- truths and has for a lot of people replaced religion as the means
- for understanding their place in the world it doesn't offer much
- in the way of a value system. Have to pray the best I guess %^)
-
- John Ongtooguk (johno@sdd.hp.com)
-