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- From: sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner)
- Subject: Re: Religion & Physics Don't Mix
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- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:12:14 GMT
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- In article <73753@hydra.gatech.EDU>, cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
- |> In article <1992Nov4.225441.22809@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU+
- crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
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- |> + It is not backwards. Where the burden of proof lies is a matter
- |> + of taste, especially in propositions that are not provable. You may
- |> + well claim that 'X exists', but you will never be able to
- |> + 'prove' X's existence.
- |>
- |> Where the burden proof lies is not a matter of taste. If you are trying
- |> to change someone's mind about some assertion they hold to be true, you
- |> are the one who must offer reasons for them to reconsider.
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- It's a minor quibble, but I thought the point of this thread was to convince
- readers that scientists can (and should) dispense with religion. By your
- argument, that would place the burden of proof on you.
-
-
- |> + As far as 'reality' goes, if you may define it as you wish,
- |> + just don't expect everybody else to share the definition, especially
- |> + outside of science.
- |> +
- |>
- |> If a concept is defined in such a manner that it cannot in principle
- |> ever be shown to pertain to a component of reality, that concept is by
- |> definition meaningless. Science deals with reality; the fundamental tenets
- |> of religion are completely beyond the bounds of reality. They are *defined*
- |> that way.
-
- Only by your definition, and according to your concept of reality. Plenty of
- people (of whom I am certainly not one) believe that the "reality" that
- science studies is nothing but an illusion; for them, it is the fundamental
- tenets of science that are completely beyond the bounds of reality.
- Furthermore, there is another group of people (smaller, but more likely to have
- tenure at American universities) that holds that reality is nothing but a
- social construct, or that science is just one more text to be deconstructed.
- And they're just as prepared to write off your beliefs as you are to write off
- theirs.
-
- --
- Steve Schaffner sschaff@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu
- The opinions expressed may be mine, and may not be those of SLAC,
- Stanford University, or the DOE.
-