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- From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: The size of electrons, and Fanciful misc SAGA
- Message-ID: <1992Nov4.134033.368@prim>
- Date: 4 Nov 92 13:40:33 GMT
- References: <1cnp7iINN3pc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1992Nov02.091053.23915@prometheus.UUCP> <2NOV199214144631@csa3.lbl.gov>
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- In article <2NOV199214144631@csa3.lbl.gov> sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov02.091053.23915@prometheus.UUCP>, pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M. Koloc) writes...
- >>
- >>Wavelike character arises from the non-infinite information density
- >>of real space (it's grainy) and the localized quantized time.
- >>Not true, there is a limit to the information density of any particle
- >>object and reaching that critical density the particle will grow in
- >>volume (or distort-compress the local metric or spontaneously generate
- >>additional information operators to handle the excess (that is: photons
- >>or charged particle pairs).
- >
- >This is not a statement of any physics that *I* know. As a matter of fact,
- >I'm willing to go further and say that it's total rubbish. Can you
- >point to a textbook which contains any statement resembling what you have
- >claimed?
-
- Think for yourself! I've no idea what he was talking about either, but just
- because it's not in a textbook doesn't make it rubbish.
-
- >
- >>The only people who still think that points have zero extent are
- >>mathematicians. Such a concept has no measure in reality or in physics.
- >>THINK delta Function.
- >
- >The point particles in all my Lagrangians have zero extent. Nobody pretends
- >to believe that an electron must be pointlike just because we have been
- >unable with our best experiments to probe the length scale necessary
- >to find out what's what. But as an "effective model" of the electron,
- >a pointlike Dirac fermion is such a good approximation that our most
- >sensitive experiments to date have been unable to distinguish any
- >discrepancy. Consequently, it is perfectly fair to say that as far as we
- >know, the electron is both fundamental and pointlike - a nice simplifying
- >abstraction with which to work until we have better information.
- >
-
- Well if it's textbooks you're into, you might try Feynman's Lectures Vol II,
- chapter 28 where he describes how the theory of electromagnetism, even
- modified by QM, "ultimately falls flat on it's face" owing to the infinite
- field energy of a point charge.
-
- Surely physics is more than just a branch of engineering? You seem to take
- the attitude that if there are conceptual difficulties, they can be swept
- under the carpet - provided the model is effective and you can crank the
- handle and get good predictions, who cares?
-
- Dave Griffiths
-