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- From: ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland)
- Subject: Re: QM and Free Will
- Message-ID: <1992Nov9.224547.13456@eecs.nwu.edu>
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- Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
- References: <1992Oct29.032255.24455@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU> <1corvaINNfi3@agate.berkeley.edu> <nyikos.720912251@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:45:47 GMT
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- In article <nyikos.720912251@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >In <1corvaINNfi3@agate.berkeley.edu> lizi@soda.berkeley.edu (Cosma Shalizi) writes:
- >>The obvious rejoinder, taken by many, is that Derek's (and our) feeling of
- >>free will is, in fact, an illusion, and that his last minute changes of
- >>mind were as pre-determined as his first post to the net, or anything else
- >>for that matter. If this makes us ethically bankrupt, so be it.
- >
- >It also flies in the face of common sense.
-
- Is this anything more than saying "I can't imagine how what you're
- saying could be true, therefore it's not true"? I wish I had a nickel
- for every true statement that was at some point in history widely held
- to "fly in the face of common sense".
-
- >What you and I have been
- >typing *makes sense*, and yet it is all supposed to be explained by the
- >coursing of electrical impulses through neural synapses, and the
- >permeation of sodium and potassium ions through neural membranes. If
- >that is all that is ultimately at work, why does the finished product
- >make so much sense to us on the conscious level, and why do we feel we
- >are in control over it?
-
- You apparently feel that you're "in control". Can you tell us what it
- means to be "in control" and why you feel that you're "in control"?
- Can you also tell us what is meant by something "making sense"? Is it
- any different from from the property "being something which, when I see
- it, causes me to say `That makes sense'"? You may think these
- questions disingenuous, but I assure you they're not. It seems to me
- that there are a number of phenomena here that you're not examining
- very closely, and dismissing by saying "It's common sense!"
- --
- Ian Sutherland
- ian@eecs.nwu.edu
-
- Sans Peur
-