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- From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
- Newsgroups: sci.med
- Subject: Re: Summary of evidence for homeopathy
- Date: 10 Nov 1992 13:35:11 -0600
- Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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- The dialog between Bernie Simon and me has reached the point of
- diminishing returns. This, my last post in this thread, attempts
- a summary. I will try to be fair, and in doing so, I must first
- acknowledge that Simon and I will likely differ in what
- constitutes fairness. He may have the last word.
-
- First, it is clear that Simon cares about the empirical evidence
- and he seems to endeavor a scientist's perspective in his
- approach to the issue. He distinguishes himself in this regard
- from the usual net proponent of "alternative" medicine.
-
- Second, he refers to primary, refereed literature to back his
- claims (though some people have challenged his rosy
- interpretation of what this literature says.) He has pressed
- home the point that there is respectable evidence that *some*
- homeopathic solutions have an effect that goes beyond a placebo
- action.
-
- Now to the other side. Simon is unable to point to *any*
- well-controlled experiment designed to test *any* of the
- underlying and distinguishing principles of homeopathy, e.g.,
- that therapeutic effect increases with homeopathic dilution, that
- water which is pure by conventional chemistry can carry an
- "imprint" of past solutes, that the "law of similars" is a
- *generally* valid and applicable principle in a well-defined
- domain, etc. This great void of empirical evidence regarding
- homeopathic *principles* causes most scientists to cast a very
- jaundiced eye on homeopathy. It is the reason that homeopathy is
- denigrated as quackery. It reflects poorly on homeopaths as a
- group that after almost two centuries of practice their
- underlying principles are still untested. (If other physicians
- paid so little attention to their medical theories, medical
- practice would still be in the 18th century!)
-
- In his arguments, I would criticize Simon on only one count: that
- he reads evidence too broadly. He focuses on the positive
- studies rather than wondering about the negative ones. He reads
- the review articles optimistically. These are matters of degree
- and may reflect his discursive role as proponent; he may complain
- that his critics are too strict. But in one (and I think the
- most important) regard, his broad reading constitutes a logical
- error. It is little support for homeopathic *principles* that a
- few homeopathic solutions have an action that goes beyond a
- placebo. On a point by point basis this could well be normal
- biochemistry at work. There are a variety of historical factors
- (how Hahnemann initially noticed them, how some were later
- rejected, etc.) that would make this likely REGARDLESS of the
- validity of homeopathic principles. (Virtually every system of
- medicine, from the four humour theory to ancient Chinese
- medicine, has some remedies that have some efficacy.)
-
- Experiments that directly test homeopathic principles are easily
- designed and performed. One such was discussed in another thread.
- Until these are performed in a well-controlled fashion and show
- successful results, homeopathy remains a nonscientific system.
-
- Russell
-