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- From: gmortens@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald E Mortensen)
- Subject: Re: Three-sided coin
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.134320.23239@newstand.syr.edu>
- Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
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- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:43:19 EST
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- >>>> von Neumann was asked, when about to enter a taxi,
- >>>>
- >>>>"How thick should a coin be to have equal (=1/3) probability
- >>>> of landing on its head,tail,or edge?"
-
- it seems to me that this problem is less difficult conceptually than
- several other responders indicate. it seems to me that the problem
- can be formulated fairly simply, although actually doing the work seems
- excessively tedious!
-
- 1st of all, its certainly not true that in the case of a soft landing
- the side that lands "down" stays down. consider a long thin rectangular
- solid. if the axis of the solid is less than 45 degrees from the ground
- normal you could consider
- the end face to be down, but the solid will certainly fall over most of
- the time.
-
- my view of the problem is that:
- 1. the only random variable is the angle between the coin face outward
- normal and the ground outward normal.
- 2. the soft landing assumption is fair (otherwise you've got to consider
- the bounce dynamics... yuck)
- 3.if the coin lands at angle 0 or 90 it will stick on the face or edge
- respectively. otherwise, a "corner" hits first.
- 4. draw a plane through the contact point, normal to the ground and normal
- to the plane defined by the ground and coin normals.
- 5. the coin will topple onto a face iff the forces (due to gravity
- acting on the coin mass) on the face side
- outweigh the forces on the edge side of the plane.
-
- this could easily be carried out by computer simulation.
-
- am i all wet? naive? brilliant, handsome, and talented?
-
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