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- From: hdev@dutiaj.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: Re: Relatives with Crackpot Proofs
- Message-ID: <hdev.721559133@dutiaj>
- Date: 12 Nov 92 09:05:33 GMT
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- RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
-
- >why don't you just tell him where his proof went wrong? sheesh.
-
- >just say, "this step here is wrong, because blah blah blah."
- >you don't have to be derisive about it, and tell the guy how
- >dumb his proof is. just tell him why it's wrong.
-
- Ah, but that's often the problem. If you have a paper of a well trained
- mathematician, you will find it is nicely structured. You can read the proof,
- and that you can sometimes spot the error. If you can see the error and you
- can explain it to him, fine...
-
- But we were talking about Crackpot Proofs. Something like a paper of 20 pages,
- with no beginnning or end. If you read it you have no idea where the error is.
- Even here at the univ. I sometimes see examination papers from students where
- they give "proof" of something which is almost impossible to follow. But since
- it is an examination paper you must review it. But still about 1 or 2 papers
- are so misty, that they get some credit because you were unable to spot the
- error. And students have some training in math.
-
- And that was probably the problem of the original author: the paper didn't
- make sense or he couldn't understand the paper (probably already lost on page
- 1). Spotting errors in such things isn't always easy (even professional
- mathematicians make errors that are hard to find). And then you have to
- convince such a person what is wrong, and then he starts to say "No, you are
- wrong, because <clearly false> is true.". Some people can be really pigheaded,
- defending every little detail as if their life depend on it.
-
- Just telling a relative his proof is dumb? You've gotta be kidding. It would
- give very cross eyes and you will get some very nasty remarks from your
- relatives asking you why you think you're so much better than him (right that
- was not what you said, but that still probably what they make of it). You
- must still live with your relative and your other relatives. So a little
- diplomacy is on its place.
- --
- Hans de Vreught | John von Neumann:
- hdev@dutiaa.tudelft.nl | Young man, in mathematics
- Delft University of Technology (TWI-ThI) | you don't understand things,
- The Netherlands | you just get used to them.
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