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- From: chrisman@sizzlean.berkeley.edu (chrisman)
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- Subject: Re: Three-sided coin
- Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:40:18 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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- In article <1992Nov11.045329.21895@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
- .In article <1992Nov10.051702.24907@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
- .>In article <1992Nov10.032643.10467@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
- .>>My best shot at answer invoked an idea from stat mech, namely,
- .>>equipartition. This says that the solution occurs when the *energy* of
- .>>standing upright equals the energy of lying on edge. Guess this means
- .>>the radius should equal half the thickness of the coin, or if you
- .>>prefer, the diameter should equal the thickness.
- .>
- .>Wouldn't that give the coin a 1/2 chance of landing on its edge rather
- .>than 1/3?
- .
- .Well, not according the stat mech principle that equal-energy states
- .have an equal chance of being occupied. Since there are 3 states of
- .equal energy (heads, tails, edge), each should have a 1/3 chance of
- .being occupied. That is, if the reasoning was right here. However, I
- .no longer think it is.
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- Yes, the reasoning is incorrect. Let me "prove" using this reasoning
- that the probability of a (flat) coin landing heads is twice that of
- its landing tails. Assuming the coin is flat and will not stand
- on its edge, there are three possibilities:
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- 1. the coin lands tails;
- 2. the coin lands heads, with angle of head between 0 and pi;
- 3. the coin lands heads, with angle of head between pi and 2pi.
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- All three outcomes have equal energy states, so... the probability
- of outcome 1 (i.e. tails) is 1/3.
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- I HOPE there is something wrong with this reasoning! ;-)
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