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- From: neil@dehn.mth.pdx.edu (John Neil)
- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: Re: What is a knot?
- Message-ID: <neil.721425760@dehn>
- Date: 10 Nov 92 20:02:40 GMT
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- jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
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- >In article <COLUMBUS.92Nov6105242@strident.think.com>
- >columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss) writes:
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- >>How would one define a (tame) knot, intrinsically? Definitions I am
- >>familiar with either involve modding out by ambient isotopy (in fact
- >there
- >>are subtle points here, I believe-- perhaps someone more knowledgeable
- >>would like to post), or by Reidemeister moves.
-
- >Well, a (tame) knot is just a circle embedded in R^3, or, if you prefer
- >something less intuitive, S^3. But you seem to be speaking of the
-
- [stuff deleted...]
-
- Actually, if you are talking about a tame knot, you must be MUCH more
- specific than that. All knots are embeddings of S^1 in S^3. The tame
- variety are those embeddings which have a FINITE simplicial structure.
- A wild knot, while still an embedding of S^1 in S^3 will not have a FINITE
- simplicial structure. Frequently, we construct the notion of tame knots
- via PL (piece-wise linear) constructs (polygons in S^3). That makes everything
- nice and linear and allows one to construct ambient isotopy in a well-defined
- combinatorial fashion. In a 3-manifold, the notion of diffeomorphism is
- much more complicated than it needs to be since in dimension 3, to be
- diffeomorphic is to be homeomorphic.
-
- >>Is the field just too young to have a suitably slick and (on first
- >>encounter) unintuitive definition?
-
- >If you want some definitions that are less intuitive, you could try the
- >following. These are actually definitions of isotopy classes of *links*
- >- it soon becomes clear that there's no point in studying knots without
- >studying links too.
-
- [more stuff deleted...]
-
-
- Again, this can (for tame knots) all be described in a nice, orderly,
- combinatorial fashion. While all the algebra and topology fits in well with
- everything that is defined in this manner, the field can be studied from a
- purely geometric, combinatorial fashion without any of these "exotic" (I use
- the term to denote the change in categories) definitions.
-
- As an example, in Dale Rolfsen's book "Knots and Links", you will find no
- less than 10 different definitions of linking number. These run the gambit
- from algebraic to differential to geometric perspectives. They all mean
- exactly the same thing. You can choose, then, as your starting point any
- of the methods of describing these spaces and show equivalence at each step
- to any of the other approaches.
-
- --John Neil
-
-
-
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