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- From: gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan)
- Subject: Re: Axioms of set theory, infinity and R. Rucker
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- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:24:47 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov6.133138.16642@prl.philips.nl> schiller@prl.philips.nl (schiller c) writes:
- >
- >
- >In the definition of a set, one axiom is the existence
- >of infinity. It is one of the usual Zermelo-Fraenkel
- >axioms.
- >
- >Reading the book "infinity and the mind" by Rudy Rucker
- >(by the way, it is delighting), one learns that
- >there are many different types of infinities which
- >exist, of different "size".
- >
- >Which of these is the infinity specified in the
- >axioms of set theory ? Is it important to decide this
- >question ? Does this have any effect on set theory ?
-
- The usual axiom of infinity guarantees a countably infinite set; that is,
- one the same size as the set of natural numbers.
-
- With the axiom of choice, every infinite set contains a countable set, so
- an axiom saying "There is an infinite set" without being so specific about
- just what sort of infinite set there was would be OK. Without the axiom of
- choice, there is a difference; and it is useful to have a guarantee that
- there is a set that can function as a set of natural numbers, for instance.
-
- With the axiom of choice, the natural numbers are as small as an infinite
- set can be. Without it, that's still almost true but it's not always possible
- to compare the sizes of infinite sets.
-
- I hope this helps.
-
- --
- Gareth McCaughan Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
- gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk Cambridge University, England. [Research student]
-