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- Subject: Re: Games with Nonmeasurable Sets
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- From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
- Date: 6 Nov 92 19:14:21 GMT
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- In <1992Nov5.045644.21270@oracorp.com> daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl McCullough) writes:
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- >pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
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- >>Now where did this depend on the cardinality of the well-ordered deck?
- >>The *only* relevant fact, an elementary measure theoretic one, is that
- >>only countably many cards can be assigned a nonzero probability.
- >>(Proof: every such card is in the finite set of cards assigned
- >>probability at least 1/n for some postive integer n, and there are only
- >>countably many such sets.)
-
- >Vaughan, I think you have completely missed the point of the original
- >posting. Let me repeat the key points:
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- > 1. There is one card for every real between 0 and 1.
- > 2. Cards are dealt randomly according to the usual Lebesgue
- > measure on reals.
-
- >So the probability of being dealt any particular card is precisely 0.
- >However, for any particular real r, the probability of being dealt
- >a card greater than r in the ordering LT is the Lebesgue measure of
- >the set
-
- > { r' | LT(r,r') }
-
- >Since this is the complement of a countable set, it has Lebesgue measure
- >1.
-
- It has to do with the set being non-measurable. Cardinality is the red
- herring, except that any mesure space on a countable set with measurable
- singletons has no non-measurable sets.
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