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- From: jamess@athena.mit.edu (John A Mess)
- Subject: Re: Is Math Hard?
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- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:02:44 GMT
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- I apologize this is very long, but it is a response to the numerous
- postings recently criticizing, unjustly, most high school teachers.
-
- In article <Bx79Lo.LG1@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov4.044300.15766@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
- >>In 5th grade, we did set theory (at least the simple stuff). At the time,
- >>I couldn't believe that we were doing such easy stuff instead of hard
- >>long division and such. But it seemed that the teacher and the rest of
- >>the class had a hard time figuring it out....
- >
- >From the experiences when people who had an understanding of mathematics
- >taught it, most of the children could get some grasp of the subject. But
- >failure of the attempts to teach the teachers was what killed the new math.
- >Teachers who can only teach rote can only do harm to those who want more.
-
- This was a very common problem in the 60's and 70's when public educa-
- tors wanted to "modernize" the process. The idea of teaching reading by
- using phonetic symbols, by leaving out words, and other garbage was often
- *forced* on public teachers from above.
-
- >>I also had a science teacher who didn't know sh*t about science, and I
- >>could tell it then (didn't dare _say_ anything about it). He was trying
- >>to explain about atoms and molecules, "molecules of pencil sharpener"
- >>not "atoms of iron and carbon" making up a pencil sharpener. Wasn't too
- >>hard to ask questions he couldn't answer, but he had ways to retaliate
- >>for making him look dumb.
-
- This is a recurrent complaint. We've all had one or more "incompe-
- tent" teachers. Public teachers must teach the class, a very heterogeneous
- group. If the idea is to sell basic science ideas, it should be presented
- simply. Now before you hit F, let me state clearly: the teacher must help
- the students learn basic ideas which are basically correct (there are few
- facts which don't fail as you learn more, be it physical--consider optics
- where you begin assuming straight lines and end up considering electromag-
- netic waves-- or biological--the failing of the Central Dogma of genetics.)
- I do not advocate teaching patently false science as in the above case but
- beginning with basic assumptions which can be refined as the student masters
- other fields of knowledge. Relativity is a classic example.
-
- >>But grammer school was mostly based on one's ability to memorize random
- >>facts, not on one's ability to figure stuff out.
-
- This is the failing of public education. To teach the gcd of students,
- most schools teach facts. Mastery learning requires that a student must
- master a concept. This self-paced study doesn't conveniently fall into
- "yearly advance" scheme. Most of us use this approach, doing outside reading
- to come up to speed. However, teaching facts and using standardized tests
- to measure retention is more convenient. College faculty are no less culp-
- able. Few faculty devote time to helping students learn the concept. In
- mathematics, we teach operations. It's no wonder when students come to an
- advanced class and are told prove this they panic. Proofs aren't facts or
- operations.
-
- >I believe that most of us do not think that such teachers should be in
- >the classroom.... The system is broke. There is no way that we can get
- >enough competent teachers NOW.... That is why there is no hope of getting
- >an adequate public school system.
- >Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
-
- We often think of public school teachers as having the same curricular
- flexibility as college academics which is untrue and unfair. In a high
- school class, a student wishing to take the ACT or an advanced placement
- test must have covered certain materials. School boards often tell the
- teacher you must cover all of this. Second, when the student enters college,
- s/he has had some exposure to the discipline presumably. I ran up against
- this problem trying to explain to a bright middle school student what a nega-
- tive number is. They "knew" that it came before 0 on a number line. He
- wanted a "real" meaning. Why was it positive when multiplied? Wouldn't it
- be a "bigger" negative number? Given the number of students of my genera-
- tion whose parents couldn't help them with their homework--simple algebra and
- geometry--I question the adequacy of education in the 40's and 50's!
- The increasing education of parents and support of kids will increase
- expectations which will have to be met. The image of the nerd is a cultural
- failure of America where studiousness is reviled. Students need to be reas-
- sured that you can be bright and popular.
- I deeply resent all the epithets thrown at public school teachers who
- try hard to cope with the drugs, violence, crowded classrooms, and asinine
- requirements. There are some teachers who are incompetent, most are not.
- Most the students here at MIT and around the country do not come from private
- schools. If you are deeply concerned, contact a local high school and offer
- to teach for a week. I promise you, it will challenge you.
- Is the system broke? I would ask, has it ever worked efficiently?
- Schools are forced financially to choose between hiring a new science teacher
- or outfitting a new laboratory taught by a former English teacher who had a
- biology course in college. School boards tend to see facilities as image en-
- hancers and one-time capital expenditures, hence favorable. We don't have a
- dearth of competent teachers but a dearth of jobs. When industry pays more
- competitively, you are left with the old, tenured teachers and those whose
- abilities don't meet industrial standards.
- When my wife was studying at IU to teach Biology, her advisor told her
- to learn a sport to coach so she could supplement her salary. She was told
- to expect starting at $19K. With coaching, get $22K. Today she works at
- Harvard Medical School as a technician where she earns $26K. She would still
- like to teach, but now it would be a drop in salary, benefits, and extended
- hours away from home.
- I've ranted longer than I wanted, but I feel that those who point nebu-
- lously at public school teachers do everyone a great disservice. If a stu-
- dent doesn't want to learn, there is nothing that can be taught. Changing
- that attitude can sometimes be done by the teacher, but it requires the sup-
- port of the environment--peers, parents, society--as well. If it is broke,
- now is the time to fix it. If it's not broke, now is the time to make it
- better.
-