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- From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
- Subject: (impredic./Russell) - Apology & thanks.
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- Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury
- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:11:29 GMT
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- Apologies for my mistake about ZF vs ZF- , and the extra noise level it
- intoduced into the discussion. Incidentally, though a quick check shows that
- ZF *does* include foundation as a usual convention, it is *not* quite universal,
- (though I doubt this would help moderate the bullying tone of some who insisted
- on universality). An exception is
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- "Introduction to Set Theory", Hrbacek & Jech; 1st edition 11.1; 2nd edn 12.1;
- in both of which they give the standard axioms *without* foundation, stating it
- to be ZF. In fact they do not seem to mention foundation in the whole book.
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- Thanks to those who contributed to the discussion; especially...
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- Randall Holmes - for a simple and excellent account of the failure of
- extensionality of my sets A & B (I liked the expression "hypnotized
- by notation"; and ditto for the hierarchy induced by AFA. I learnt a lot
- from these posts; thanks indeed.
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- Torkel Franzen - for typically down-to-earth remarks about the silliness of
- taking various postures of principle about these matters, a sensible
- view (though perhaps a little too formalist for some tastes).
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- Vaughn Pratt - for a sprightly and provocative series of posts that kept the
- ball rolling nicely (if randomly), I liked "inflammatory heresy". Also
- for frank apologies and admissions of error where appropriate. (It's a pity
- this admissory tendency isn't more widespread on the net.)
-
- David Gudeman - for continuing to attempt clarification of his intuitive ideas
- in the face of a barrage of opposition.
-
- Thanks all; it was a lot of fun.
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- Bill Taylor wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz
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- Galaxies - results of chaotic amplification of quantum events in the big bang.
- Free will- the result of chaotic amplification of quantum events in the brain.
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