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- From: gudeman@cs.arizona.edu (David Gudeman)
- Newsgroups: sci.logic
- Subject: Re: Impredicativity - was: Russell's Paradox
- Message-ID: <26014@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
- Date: 7 Nov 92 03:48:57 GMT
- Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson
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- We better be careful or we're going to end up agreeing on more than
- just the inadequacy of ZF.
-
- In article <1992Nov6.193134.17283@guinness.idbsu.edu> Randall Holmes writes:
- ]Re Gudeman:
- ]
- ]Your criterion for an acceptable property is wrong.
- ]
- ]... Some perfectly well-defined open sentences which
- ]have truth values no matter what is substituted into them cannot have
- ]extensions or intensions.
-
- OK, you have a point. The open sentence "__ is not true of
- itself" does not form a proposition if you replace the blanks with
- something that stands for the sentence's (non-existent) proposition,
- but then you can't expect _any_ open sentence to form a proposition if
- you fill its blanks with non-existent things. I'll have to rethink my
- criterion, but that really does not affect my main point about
- recursion.
-
- ]Once again, there is no problem with
- ]self-membership or non-self-membership holding of particular objects;
- ]there simply is no "object" which is the extension of
- ]"self-membership" or "non-self-membership". And this does not mean
- ]that the objects in the universe are not unambiguously divided between
- ]the self-members and the non-self-members; there is no ambiguity, no
- ]gray area between them. But there cannot be a set of the
- ]non-self-members.
-
- I think we agree that there is no property (read "nonspatio-temporal
- mathematical object") associated with the set of open sentences of the
- form "__ is an element of __". Our difference is that you think there
- is a metaphysical explanation for this fact, and I think it can be
- explained entirely in terms of incorrect use of language.
- --
- David Gudeman
- gudeman@cs.arizona.edu
-