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- From: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt)
- Subject: Re: Impredicativity - was: Russell's Paradox
- Message-ID: <1992Nov5.004725.8252@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
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- References: <Bx693z.H37@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> <1992Nov4.073717.22625@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <1992Nov4.134534.17092@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:47:25 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov4.134534.17092@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
- >
- >Taylor:
- >>>The slick form of AF, that every nonempty set has a member disjoint from it,
- >
- >Pratt:
- >>Where is this form given?
- >
- >Most everywhere [...]
- >
- >>Pratt: And why doesn't it rule out Omega = {Omega}?
- >>(Just asking, I'm not expert on this stuff.)
- >
- >Neither am I, but that will not prevent me from being charitable
- >enough to let you answer your own question.
-
- Why, do you turn in all your Usenet posts along with your tax return?
-
- Actually it's just me being dense (and Bill being nonstandard). I took
- Bill's AF to mean AntiFoundation when he meant Axiom of Foundation
- (whence he *meant* to rule out Omega={Omega}). I should have figured
- that out sooner (broken enough eggs in the past two days to start an
- omelette parlor).
-
- >[...] e.g. in Drake (_Set Theory_), whose pithy comments on
- >the Axiom of Replacement (a.k.a. the `F' in `ZFC') will go a long way
- >toward disabusing you of your wacky revisionist notions.
-
- Thank god. I've been posting wacky messages for weeks and no one seems
- to have noticed till now. How do you do it?
-
- But let's get our facts straight on what I'm proposing to revise. I
- haven't lifted a finger against Replacement, in fact I need it to make
- money with it by 2012 (come on, Replacement, come on, be strong for
- me!).
-
- >Some _philosophical_ reservations concerning Replacement can be made
- >from a generic Limitation of Size standpoint, -- right now I do not
- >have the references, but they are likely to be found in Maddy's JSL
- >expository articles on the ZFC axioms. However, from the more refined
- >standpoint of the cumulative hierarchy, Drake more or less has the
- >last word.
-
- Again, I'm not in the market to be talked out of Replacement, or talk
- anyone out of it. Foundation on the other hand seems as pointless as
- the cumulative hierarchy: each needs the other and neither seems to be
- much use to the rest of mathematics. Now who can you point me at with
- a convincing pitch for Foundation?
-
- >Always looking for
- >logico-philosophical esoterica, Italian motorcycle parts, Swiss
- >firearms, or XVIIIth century French smut.
-
- Oh. Guess that answers my second last question. :-)
- --
- Vaughan Pratt There's no truth in logic, son.
-