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- Subject: Re: Limits on the Use of Cryptography?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.121422.49@nsrvan.vanc.wa.us>
- Date: 12 Nov 92 20:14:22 GMT
- Article-I.D.: nsrvan.1992Nov12.121422.49
- References: <1992Nov11.061210.9933@cactus.org>
- Organization: National Systems & Research, Vancouver WA
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- In article <1992Nov11.061210.9933@cactus.org>, ritter@cactus.org (Terry Ritter)
-
- I've slightly changed the wording...
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-
- . Although the discussion of key registration has been interesting,
- . it does seem a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. Discussing the
- . proposition on a computer network invokes an inherent bias in most
- . readers. So, suppose we give the issue a different environment:
- .
- . The police bust an alleged child molester, and take possession
- . of his HOME(PC). They believe that the HOUSE AND YARD(hard drive)
- . contains a full
- . database of young kids who have been *or may be* assaulted.
- . That THERE IS A SHOVEL THAT WAS USED TO HIDE THE DATABASE
- . (database is enciphered).
- .
- .
- . Now, your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to defend
- . SHOVELS(cryptography) to ordinary voters, congress people and newspaper
- . reporters. You also need to explain to a relative of one of those
- . kids, someone who doesn't own or work with a SHOVEL(computer), why the
- . government should "allow" private SHOVELS (cryptography) which could hide
- . this sort of information.
- .
- . You *could* say that SHOVELS (cryptography) does not molest children, that
- . only molesters molest children. Or you could say that if SHOVELS (ciphers)
- . are outlawed, only outlaws will have SHOVELS (ciphers), and that criminals
- . would not register SHOVELS (keys) anyway. But the district attorney might
- . point out that, if the law required SHOVEL (key) registration (or even just
- . the delivery of SHOVELS (keys) *after* a formal court hearing), the molester
- . could at least be convicted on *that* charge, and would not be
- . molesting anybody for a while.
- .
- . So what do *you* say?
- .
- .> ---
- .> Terry Ritter ritter@cactus.org
-
- I say only a short while with our judicial system.
-
- I say that thinking people use their brains and that when 'congress
- people', the press and an angry mob get together their brains cease to
- function. And as long as I'm at it why don't we just lock them up for suspicion
- of intent to molest we could save big money by not using valuable court time.
- Who cares if we lock up one or two who are not molesters as long as we get the
- real scum of the earth. Heck we don't even need any real charges, lets just
- bring them in for suspicion.
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- Ever hear of Westly Allan Dodd? He kept a picture album and diary of
- his victim's. They don't want to execute him for hiding his ablum in a
- breifcase (with a lock on it) they want to execute him for the kidnap, rape,
- torture and murder of THREE 6 year old boys. I have a six year old and live in
- Dodds stalking area. Don't talk about molesters till you think it through. Keep
- the emotional appeal out of the facts.
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- How does this relate to your story? Dodd is under very tight security.
- It turns out the police are worried that some father, mother, brother, sister
- of one of the victim or possably just some citizen will kill him. They know
- that the other inmates will do him so the keep him isolated.
-
- How long would you keep a suspected child molester in jail for using a
- cipher without a license? Would it be 10 years with an actual jail time of 120
- days? So much for using cryptography to get the real monsters.
-
- Get real. Look around. Visualize yourself as the victim. Does cryptography
- hurt? Who do we need to keep in jail and for how long.
-
- What would you do to a monster who takes YOUR son/daughter and rapes
- them and beats them and kills them over 3 days. Would you go a buy a gun and
- wait for them to be released 120 days into their cypher charge then BLOW them
- away?
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- Sorry for rambling, This stupid argument just struck too close to home.
- But really, next time you read about some heinous act see your kids as the
- victim then let me know if registering keys is at all important compaired to
- early detection and real jail time for the monsters.
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