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- From: sjo@cci632.cci.com (Steve Owens)
- Subject: Re: Registering "Assault Keys"
- Message-ID: <1992Nov10.171546.19992@cci632.cci.com>
- Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
- References: <1992Nov8.030704.3898@netcom.com> <1794@rwing.UUCP> <1992Nov10.044148.22135@netcom.com>
- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:15:46 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov10.044148.22135@netcom.com> gurgle@netcom.com (Pete Gontier) writes:
- >pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
-
- >>Would
- >>you be as cavalier about someone trying to deny YOUR choice on something
- >>you consider of signifigant importance to you (assuming the choice being
- >>foisted on you is not the one you would take). Since you don't care
- >>for guns, a ban on them will not affect you, at least in the short term,
- >>so you consider that an acceptable restriction,
- >
- >The fact is that plenty of activities, substances, and what-have-you
- >are banned even though plenty of people don't do or use them. I don't
- >smoke pot. I don't break into other peoples' computers. I don't
- >expose myself to old ladies. Like shooting guns, I don't have any
- >urge to do any of those things. I don't see what that has to do with
- >whether I should be allowed to, though.
-
- However, all of the things you mention above are illegal.
- The last I knew, target practice was not. Please state an example
- of something that is legal to do, that you do not do, and still feel
- your right to participate in such activity should be banned.
-
- >>Or could it be that a ban
- >>on guns looks to be the quick fix, even though I have yet to see any
- >>evidence of its efficacy in reducing either homicide or other crimes of
- >>violence, or overall accidental deaths.
- >
- >Quick, I dunno. Sure wouldn't hurt. Let's give it a try.
-
- Actually, yes it would hurt. It would keep the law-abiding
- citizen from participating in a very satisfying form of recreation.
- Since there is no evidence to support the claim that a ban would work,
- there is no reason to support such a ban.
-
- >>Please explain why
- >>*I* should be penalized for something some irresponsible producers seem
- >>to like to feed us for a non-stop diet, or that irresponsible (but
- >>oh-so-progressive) community 'leaders' could be taking to address the
- >>root CAUSES of urban violence (except that it would require recognizing
- >>some unpleasant truths, and a bit of effort)? Better to blame some
- >>inantimate hardware...
- >
- >It's true that addressing the underlying problems would be the more
- >elegant solution. But it'll never happen. All we can do at this point
- >is patch the system. This seems like a good patch to me.
-
- Why can't we address the underlying problems? What's keeping
- us from doing so? "Patching the system" simply adds kludge on top of
- kludge until you have a system that is so huge noone can understand it
- and noone can support it. If that's the case, it's time for a new system.
-
- >>Of course, all this lacks the appeal of the 'magic bullet': Just pass
- >>this one more 'reasonable' law, and all our problems will go away...
- >
- >I understand that a ban on handguns would merely be a band-aid. That
- >doesn't change my preference.
-
- If you realize a handgun ban doesn't address the problem, then
- for what reason do you support a handgun ban? If it doesn't solve the
- the problem, what purpose does it serve?
-
- >--
- > Pete Gontier // EC Technology // gurgle@netcom.com
-
- If you really want to solve the problem, try studying the problem
- and comming up with real solutions instead of supporting a band-aid that
- will only effect law-abiding citizens like you or me. The information
- is out there. All you have to do is look it up.
-
-
- Steve
-
-
-
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