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- From: lcmyu@crypto2.uwaterloo.ca (Luis Ola Toshio Chi-Ming)
- Subject: Re: Encrypted phones, keys, taps, ...
- Message-ID: <BxHn0t.MCL@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
- Sender: news@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
- Organization: University of Waterloo
- References: <1992Nov7.150423.26670@nwnexus.WA.COM> <gilchr.721309568@ee.ualberta.ca> <1992Nov9.181433.12025@shearson.com>
- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:50:52 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov9.181433.12025@shearson.com> pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:
- >gilchr@ee.ualberta.ca (Andrew Gilchrist) writes:
- >joke. No need for you to contemplate "a lot of funding" -- you can
- >just go out and buy the equipment any time you like. AT&T is the only
- >vendor I know of that packages this all with a cellular transmitter,
- >but you can buy similar phones from Cylink, Motorola and other
- >vendors. And this is just the list of DOMESTIC manufacturers of such
- >things -- doubtless there are folks outside the country that make
- >them, too.
- >
- >Its all really easy. CELP compression can be done with cheap DSPs --
- >you can buy the code if you don't feel like writing it yourself. The
- >encryption can be done an order of magnitude faster than you need even
- >on conventional processors. V.32bis modem modules are a dime a dozen.
- >You don't need to be AT&T to do this -- any talented EE with a few
- >weeks of work could put a system to do this together.
-
- Can someone tell me how these digitally encrypted phones provide
- reasonable security in light of the following problem. Phones lines
- can tolerate raw data rates of 9.6 kbps whereas voice requires
- 64 kbps. Let's say the CELP compression reduces the voice
- requirement down to 9.6 kbps (voice becomes noticibly choppy thereafter).
- Where do they allocate the bandwidth needed for sycronization and error
- correction. Assuming the phone uses a strong block cipher such as DES
- in code book mode (stream ciphers would have error propogation problems)
- this would imply blocks of duration 6 seconds. An uncorrected channal bit
- error would result in white noise for 6 seconds. Voice is redudant but
- NOT that redudant. From this discussion, either you increase the signalling
- bandwidth through use of multiple phone lines or ISDN, or you improve
- compression technology or you use a weaker cipher. Perhaps someone can
- post the specs for one of these digital encryption phones which I've
- never come across.
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