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- From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.privacy,talk.politics.guns
- Subject: Re: A Trial Balloon on Registered Keys
- Message-ID: <1992Nov6.041348.18320@news.eng.convex.com>
- Date: 6 Nov 92 04:13:48 GMT
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- In article <894.517.uupcb@grapevine.lrk.ar.us> john.eichler@grapevine.lrk.ar.us (John Eichler) writes:
- >Theoretically this is wrong also. If you've ever read any of Wiener's books
- >on Cybernetics or know about the theory of control, any machine or organism
- >derives its control through the use of feedback mechanisms. I'm fully
- >convinced and have been for years that one of the reasons that 'surprises'
- >(implications expected at this point) happen in various government agencies is
- >that such a feedback mechanism does not exist.
- What does a guy working for the NSA have to gain by
- participating in a free and open discussion like this except possible
- trouble with his boss? You show an amazing naivete about how our
- government security apparatus works.
-
- >I have the sneaking suspicion that many of the government agencies feel that
- >they know exactly what opinions the rest of us have and hence they have no
- >reason to do any feedback.
- How charitable. I have a sneaking suspicion they don't care.
-
- >Perhaps they even regard this message as just so much noise with no
- >signal contained therein.
- Well, they can't always be wrong. ;-)
-
- >AS long as the participants in such discussion would not flame I sincerely
- >believe that something good can result for all parties.
- Why shouldn't we flame if they say something flammable? Why
- should they be any more flame proof than you or I? Because
- they might get their bureaucratic hearts broken when they realize
- that a free people often disagree vigorously with the
- agents of their government? WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. THE NSA,
- FBI, and the entire litany of 3 character alphabet soups are
- OUR SERVANTS NOT OUR MASTERS.
-
-
- >Wouldn't it be great is someday a message came across this channel that said,
- >"My name is Sergeant O'Malley and the NSA has authorized me to answer some of
- >your questions concerning public key cryptography provided that neither the
- >question or answer affects U.S. security concerns." They may ignore
- >everything being said but wouldn't that be great for everyone on this
- >newsgroup? Especially today when so many people have great mistrust of our
- >government as has been shown through repeated polls.
- You expect this from the organization that won't permit export
- of the unix password program because of "security concerns"?
- Do you know what kind of bureaucratic schlerosis we are dealing
- with here? Have you not a clue to how totally out of touch those
- folks are? They are the laughing stock of computer professionals
- because of this one fact. They are a serious threat to American
- commercial competitiveness because of some of their less laughable
- mistakes.
-
- I am appalled at the level of trust and naive sympathy for the
- government security apparatus that I have seen in this discussion.
- I am beginning to doubt that Americans deserve what little freedom
- remains in their possession.
-
-
- smg
-