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- From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
- Subject: Re: Registered Keys - why the need?
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- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:45:29 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov3.090942.1626@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
- >I apologize for the insult. What led me to say what I said was that
- >many people had said things that I interpreted as disrespectful of
- >all law enforcement.
- When law enforcement starts behaving in a respectable manner
- they will enjoy the *earned* respect of the populace.
- When they stop such abominations as civil forfeiture and
- other abuses in the name of the war on some drugs they can hope
- for respect. In the mean time they deserve nothing but contempt
- from a proud and free people. You may think like a serf if you
- wish but don't be surprised when others don't follow suit.
-
-
- >The word "crisis" is probably too strong. But let me elaborate on the
- >effect of COURT-AUTHORIZED taps. According to the FBI, they have been
- >essential in preventing serious criminal activity including organized
- >crime, drug trafficking, extortion, terrorism, kidnaping, and murder.
- Law enforcement agencies always say that whatever the latest
- affront to the constitution it is absolutely necessary to protect
- decent god-fearing burghers from the bad guys. You are free
- to believe whatever nonsense they tell you but don't expect
- everyone to be so credulous.
-
- >If law enforcement loses the ability to conduct court-authorized
- >taps, they will have to use other means if even possible, such as
- >breaking and entering. This is not necessarily better in terms of
- >protecting liberties and privacy.
- In some sense it is not worth disputing this point because law
- enforcement has already lost the ability. As has been pointed
- out before, there is no way to distinguish encrypted data from
- random binary gibberish being shipped about via modem.
- As more and more binary data is shipped about the possibilities
- for burying secrets in a sea of 1s and 0s become limitless.
- There are a lot of very talented computer people in this country
- and the Medellin cartel pays better than the FBI. Who do you think
- will win? ;-)
-
- >Are there other
- >approaches that would give you greater assurance against the
- >government and still allow for meeting the legitimate needs of
- >law enforcement? If so, I'd love to hear them.
- I challenge the assertion that there is anything legitimate
- in the current war on some drugs (and on the entire constitution ;-).)
- Government has completely gone haywire and until the drug problem
- is solved by taking it out of the realm of law enforcement and
- putting it in the realm of medicine where it belongs we will
- have a continual erosion of our constitutional freedoms with
- no appreciable reduction in violent crime.
-
-
- smg
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