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- From: sdb@redbeard.physics.fsu.edu (Scott D. Berry)
- Subject: Re: New Gasoline Ripoff
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- In article <1992Nov3.121946.1072@newstand.syr.edu> ravalent@mothra.syr.EDU (Bob Valentine) writes:
- >Here in New York, there has been some new scramble about
- >"oxygenated fuels" meant for reduction in emisssions.
- >According to news sources and the local gas stations,
- >they basically are adding ethanol to the gas.
- > Now, try this:
- >
- > 1. Fuels with increased amounts of alcohol will have
- >less enegry per unit. Therefore, the driver will see a
- >reduction in power and/or gas mileage. So, while we
- >are techincally reducing emissions, the cars are emitting
- >out more total volume of emissions due to a greater volume
- >of fuel burned.
- > Does this really make sense? It's just like
- >the '70s all over again; crappy MPG, no power, low
- >mileage all in the name of emissions.
-
- My info is from a report on "All Things Considered" which is
- apparently more detailed than your info. MPG changes should be
- around 3% or so, for newer cars. For cars older than ~15 years,
- MPG should actually increase. The reduction in emissions is
- greater than this, so the effect is a real change for the better,
- as far as total emissions.
- >
- > 2. Why are gas prices going up? The gas companies say
- >that it is due to the increased cost of "oxygenated fuels".
- >Last time I checked, alcohol was cheaper than hydorcarbon
- >fuels. Anyone want to verify this?
-
- You are wrong -- alcohol is more expensive than the gas.
- Remember the actual cost of the gasoline is NOT the ~$1.20
- you pay for it at the station. My memory tells me that the
- actual cost (out of the refinery) is closer to $.60-$.80/gal.
- (or even less, since there are typically $.30 in taxes).
- >
- >Acutally, my car runs better on cheap-o hightest, you know,
- >the stuff that smells like a can of starting fluid. IT's a
- >'71 Olds Cutlass with a 350.
-
- You might gain here.
-
- > What I'm really trying to say is that it's a load of BS to
- >be charging more for a new form of gasoline that costs less
- >to produce than its previous form, and then to basically
- >act like they have some wonderful new formula fuel that will
- >reduce emissions. Come on folks, I've used a mixture of
- >50/50 isopropyl alcohol/gas to fool emissions tests.
- >Nothing new here.......
- >
- You are mistaken because you do not have the facts.
- How much more are the costs? (My impression is that the increase is
- ~$.05/gal.) Are you accounting for the benefits such as cleaner air
- and its effect on the general public health?
-
- >-->Bob
- > ----->ravalent@mailbox.syr.edu
- >
- >
- >
-
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