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- From: bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR KR COMAN)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
- Subject: Re: Pumping pedal restores braking - why?...........
- Message-ID: <bakc.195.720968499@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
- Date: 5 Nov 92 13:01:39 GMT
- Article-I.D.: giraffe.bakc.195.720968499
- References: <2030058@otter.hpl.hp.com> <1992Nov3.235127.10353@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>
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- In article <1992Nov3.235127.10353@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
- >Subject: Re: Pumping pedal restores braking - why?...........
- >From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
- >Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 23:51:27 GMT
- >sgm@otter.hpl.hp.com (Steve Methley) writes:
- >
- >>My LandRover developed a brake fault after some serious off roading. Brakes
- >>are now poor when normally applied, but very good (as normal) when 'pumped'
- >>once or twice before main application. When not pumped there is much pedal
- >>travel for little effect. No obvious damage to brake lines and no drop in
- >>fluid level discerible. System is dual circuit servo assisted.
-
- >Our Landrover developed exactly this situation after some serious driving
- >(Africa). It was finally cured after fixing the following.
- >
- >Brake master cylinder (probably not necessary)
- >New front pads.
- >Adjusting then relining (and re adjusting) the rear brakes.
- >Overhauling the (leaking) rear wheel cylinders.
- >
- >Relining the rear brakes surprisingly made the biggest difference.
- >The air was being introduced into the system through the rear wheel cylinders.
- >This was hard to trace as you have to expose the brakes before you can see
- >what's happening. You may also try simply adjusting the rear brakes (two
- >snail cams on each wheel) which may make a difference.
-
- My own 1958 Series 2 has *exactly* the problem described; drive,
- wanna stop, one-two quick touches on the brake pedal, then I get a nice hard
- pedal that 'takes' close to the start of its travel. I've spent hours on
- this and, for what its worth, here's my solution. Primary cause is the
- excessive travel of the wheel cylinder plungers that act on the brake
- shoes (hence the 'one-two' routine to bring them out) because the brake
- shoe adjusters (snail cams) are allow excessive brake shoe movement before
- contacting the brake drum. OK, so tighten up the adjusters and see what
- happens.
-
- My Landies' problem however is that when the brake shoes are
- adjusted to give a really hard pedal, they are so close to the brake drum
- that they tend to bind....some fine compromise-adjustment is thus needed.
-
- Another thing to note is that all it takes is for one wheel's brakes
- to have excessive slack and the brake pedal reverts to its old tricks
- again.
- In service, I find that I have to adjust the brakes every 300-
- 500 miles to take up the slack -- rather like an old car with cable
- brakes!! This may explain the sudden problem after your off-road
- adventures; used the brakes a lot??
-
- Finally a little cautionary note. On some Landies if you drain the
- brake fluid out of the master cylinder there is a strong chance that you
- will not be able to bleed all the air out of the cylinder itself cos of a
- small air bubble being trapped in the master cylinder itself (some MG's also
- had this problem). One set of advice is to get the nose of the car up at
- about 45degrees and then go thu your pump 'n squirt act. Far better is to
- pressurise the fluid in the reservoir. I used a spare brake fluid reservoir
- cap and fitted it with the valve-stem from a section off an old inner tube.
- Remove the cap, screw on said 'special tool', connect up the old tyre pump
- and give it maybe half a push. Was a *big* help to me!!
-
- Landies are the ONLY way to travel!!!!
-
- Cheers
- Keith Coman
-
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