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- From: taz@momad.UUCP (Sysop)
- Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
- Subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
- Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
- Message-ID: <nsF-qA2KBh107h@momad.UUCP>
- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 19:11:19 -0500
- References: <RZx+qAYLBh107h@momad.UUCP> <ed.721116002@cwis>
- Reply-To: taz%momad@infoserv.com
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- Lines: 129
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- In <ed.721116002@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
-
- >nude child "child pornography". Not all nudity is pornography. I don't
- >know the LEGAL definitions of child pornography, but I know that if it
- >
- If you don't know, then it is best not to speak. Remember the saying,
- "It's better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to
- open your mouth and prove it to everyone."
-
- >My definition of child pornography would be that of forcing a child to
- >commit sexual acts and commiting that to film. This violates the rights
-
- There's a lot more to it than that.
-
- >of the child in any case. I personally don't think it's a moral thing
- >to do...and I think that it screws up children for life when they are
- >molested. A few of my friends were molested as children. If a parent
- >takes a picture of a their child nude...are they a pornographer?
-
- It depends on whether that picture stays in their photo album,
- or is distributed over a world-wide network for freaks to get
- off on.
-
-
- >Pornography, as someone previously defined it, is "erotica"...sexual.
- >Nudity is not necessarily sexual...and even when it's interpretted as
- >such...it's in the mind of the beholder. Someone might see a nude
-
- Yes, erotica is sexual. And where were these pictures posted?
- In Alt.Binaries.Pictures.EROTICA. A forum of EROTIC pictures.
- ^^^^^^^
-
- >little girl and be sexually excited. That's their prerogative, and as
- >long as they don't violate anyone's rights, they should be left alone.
- >You don't have to like them, and I probably wouldn't either, but I don't
- >think they're violating any laws. Someone might see a nude girl and see
- >purity and innocence...and admire it as a work of art.
-
- Again, you talk about violating laws, and I will quote your
- message again,
-
- >> I don't know the LEGAL definitions of child pornography
-
- That is correct, because it is a FEDERAL OFFENSE to distribute child
- pornography over state lines. This includes distribution by COMPUTERS
- over state lines.
-
- >Some would call you sick for even being subscribed to this newsgroup, I
- >don't think you are. I don't think people who are curious as to what
- >all the hullabaloo is about the "infamous" GIFS of RUKO and KAPSTERS
- >(etc) and download them to see are "criminals". Information should be
- >free....if anyone violated the rights of these girls or boys in the
- >GIFS, they should be brought to justice.....but I don't see the use in
- >playing dictator and telling people what they can or cannot see.
- >
- >Why don't they arrest people at nude beaches for looking at nude
- >children?
-
- Because that is not pornography.
-
-
- >How many "pedophiles" do you really think are on this newsgroup? How
- >many of the people do you think downloaded RUKO and KAPSTERS just
- >because there was controversey over them? I think it's an overwhelming
- >majority of the latter. I viewed the files, I deleted them. They were
-
- But how many people, after reading all about the fact that they were
- pornographic pictures of children asked TO POST MORE, and asked for
- people to trade child pornography pictures in e-mail? That is a little
- bit more than simple 'curiousity.'
-
-
- >never in "my possession". They were a curiosity...but nothing great. I
- >suggest LIFE magazine or such "morally correct" photo mags for better
- >depictions of the human form, young and old.
- >Don't get me wrong, I don't think RUKO and KAPSTERS (and their ilk) are
- >intelligent choices for posting here. You're absolutely right that
- >there could be a crack down and it would get a lot of innocent people in
- >trouble. I think they should be removed and that we should all
- >investigate our local laws on the subject of "child pornography". If we
- >disagree with those laws, let a person with the appropriate authority
- >know. You know my views on the subject, if I'm to be arrested for
- >them...then at least I'll know I stated what I thought was right and
- >fair.
- >
-
- Why would you be arrested for your views? If you ran a system where
- these files were available to any user who subscribed to the news.group
- you would get in trouble for distributing them through YOUR SYSTEM!
-
-
- >I don't think the solution is a witch-hunt, but a careful discussion of
- >the issues involved. I don't think we need to resort to turning
- >each-other in to get this thing worked out. Let me just suggest that
- >anyone distributing what might be deemed "child pornography" to keep it
- >private or regional until we can assure the NET isn't threatened by it.
- >Listen to what SYSOP said (despite some of his generalisations and
- >insults)...it's a reasonable viewpoint.
- >
- >Sysop: (a legit question) Isn't there a way you can just disallow
- >certain postings or newsgroups on your board?
-
- >(End of quoting)
-
- I don't have the time to sort through every single message that
- comes in here. That board is up mostly for the users of this system.
-
- What I want is a discussion of this issue, and get it resolved quickly, before
- the news media hears about this, because you better believe that this will
- be quite a sticky issue, and will endanger the a.b.p.e. newsgroup. The
- internet is a large forum, with branches stretching out to educational,
- governmental, military, public, and private organizations. The news
- would have a field day with this. Look how much heat it's stirred up here?
- Let's get it resolved and QUICK! If the group would need to be moderated,
- then so be it. If it has to go, then it has to go, but lets do SOMETHING
- about it.
-
-
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