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- From: rbc@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (robert.connaghan)
- Subject: Re: Kerby Vacuum Cleaners Information
- Organization: AT&T
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:39:04 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov13.143904.5790@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
- Summary: How I bought a Kerby one day.
- Keywords: Kirby Vacuum
- References: <1984@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> <1992Nov9.221533.8004@opencon.com> <1992Nov12.224718.27618@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>
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- I bought a Kerby Generation III vacuum about 2 months ago for considerably
- less then the $900-950 range I have seen here as a good buy.
- My wife had the salesman come to clean a rug that was light colored and dirty.
- We had no real intention of buying, but we needed a new vacuum and were
- willing to listen to the sales pitch. They got our name at a county fair.
- After seeing the machine I concluded that it was probably worth $600 to me.
- The overall salespitch took over two hours and I had three young children
- underfoot for a large portion of it. Each wanted to play with the attachments.
- A very nice, not pushy salesman.
-
- There are several things to remember, the first two are the most important:
- 1. They will not take a loss on a sale or sell something without a profit.
- If they sold it at a fixed fair price there would be no haggleing.
- Your not taking advantage of them by not wanting to pay list.
- 2. That by showing up at your house they have already committed to a lost
- opportunity-cost of selling that machine to someone else that night.
- They have a very strong incentive to conclude a sale that night.
- (If they don't sell it to me now they lose two times over:
- the no sale to me and the lost potential sale to whomever they could
- have been with instead of me.)
- 3. The machine has a great reputation, and is indeed a good vacuum.
- I didn't feel I would be disappointed with it. Just annoyed if I
- paid too much.
-
- A chronology of a Kerby sales presentation.
- He spends about 60+ minutes talking and vucumming the rugs using a filter paper
- attachement instead of the vacuum bag. He takes a filthy dirty filter paper
- out every now and then and places on the floor; I end up with about 30 of them.
- Then he shampoos the rug in question, and does a great job to boot.
- Shows me how great the attachments are.
- It truly is a very nice machine. And he asked us if we want it........
-
- $1295 List Price
- - 100 Trade-In (A dead Panasonic, about 10 years old).
- He whips out the order form and looks at me expectantly.
- -----
- $1195 I say no way, have a nice day, He says it will last, blah, blah, blah.
- - 200 He calls his manager (1st time), and they take $200 off.
- -----
- $ 995 I say it is a great machine, but no way, he would have to do better.
- My wife tells him what a cheap Scot I am (true!) and that she likes
- the machine, but the decision was up to me. When dealing with sales
- that have variable cost (i.e. cars, kerbys) we like to play
- good-cop/bad-cop. I say it still is too expensive, but I would like
- to buy it if only we could come up with a better price.
- He ask how much, I say something closer to $600.
- He mentions a contest for a vacation trip if he can sell only
- two more units, so he is willing to work with me on it. I say great.
- He throws in Free Shampooer ($200 value) and says take this demo
- machine instead of new from the factory. I say not yet, do better.
- - 100 He calls his manager (2nd time), and they take $100 off.
- -----
- $ 895 I reiterate that I would buy it if they get closer to $600. He then
- talks for a very long time, extolling the virtues of the machine.
- A very long time, he seems to be waiting for me to forget that I want
- a lower price, and that I would just eventually interrupt him and
- agree to buy it at $895. I guess this has worked for him in the past.
- I do interrupt him and give him my stock speech about what a good
- business transaction is: one in which both parties walk away happy,
- each getting what they perceive to be a good deal.
- And, then I told him how he had just talked for 15 minutes without
- making any effort to lower the price and that if this was his best
- price, thank-you-very-much and good night.
- - 150 He calls his manager (3rd time) and returns with another $150 off.
- He said his manager was willing to split the difference between
- the $895 and the $600 figure I was looking for.
- -----
- $ 745 I said very close but not $600.
- - 50 I ask for another $50 off and he gives it to me.
- -----
- $ 695 His final price, without tax.
- I say great, its been fun and lets start to sign the papers.
- -----
- $ 745 We reach this final number (cost + tax), he has the paper work on
- his lap and starts to fill it, he relief shows, it's late now and he
- would like to make the sale and go home. I feel I can get a better
- deal but I am not sure what say and then it comes to me, the
- final zinger. I say wait a minute, I want you to pay the tax.
- He calls the manager (4th time).
- - 45 Subtracts the tax, rounding out the final number.
- -----
- $ 700 Final Cost, Kerby Generation III, With Shampoo Attachment.
-
- As a side note, he also showed a hard wood floor buffing brush,
- which he started to put in his briefcase. Of course I stated that
- I assumed that it was also included. He just handed to me.
-
- He tells me that he will make no profit on this one but his manager
- has agreed to give him his $25 for making a sale.
- I was supposed to feel bad at this point.
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- In conclusion:
- They sold a vacuum, I assume that they make money, but not
- the $600 profit that they would have liked.
- I got a nice vacuum, but I probably would not have spent this much if I
- had gone out and bought something at the department store.
-
- It is a very nice vacuum, but has a couple small drawbacks:
- 1. Heavy, although the power drive is good and makes it like pushing
- a feather around. It's just heavy to carry up and down stairs.
- 2. To use the vacuum hose you must remove the front beater brush assembly,
- as opposed to having a extra hole you can just plug into. Easy to do.
- 3. Because it is a good vacuum, the bags get filled up much faster then
- with my old machine!!
-
- The End.
-
- Robert Connaghan
- AT&T Bell Labs
- rbc@vax135.att.com
- (NJ)908-949-1048
-