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- From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.144857.2092@global.hacktic.nl>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:48:57 GMT
- References: <BxH7rH.2qs@unix.amherst.edu>
- Organization: Global Village 1
- Lines: 66
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- sfkaplan@unix.amherst.edu (Scott Kaplan) writes:
-
- >Peter Busser seems insistant in his response that UNIX has the ability to be
- >all things to all people, if only programmers would make it as such. Then all
- >the UNIX world has to do is make it commercially feasible.
-
- No, not all things to all people. It's just a matter of interfacing. As long as
- you hide the details, then it doesn't matter if these details change. That is
- for instance why C is such a popular language. The library hides (most of) the
- details of the underlying operating system. I.e. the fopen() are implemented
- differently under MeSs-DOS and under UNIX, but they have the same result. We
- can consider fopen() to be a black box. A good user interface can do that for a
- system. If programmers want to change the details, FINE! As long as they don't
- change the interface.
-
- >does not need to be ease of use. The crowd that uses UNIX now will continue
- >to do so, because they will make it more powerful and push its flexibility.
-
- Of course.
-
- >So both types of OS's will continue to grow
- >in different directions. There's little wrong with that.
-
- Read on.
-
- >maliable (sp?) OS. If you make UNIX something that programmers don't want to
- >use, THEN it will die, because nobody else will want to push it forward.
-
- But... the largest market is the user market. If some system can dominate that
- market, then that means that programmers are forced to write programs for that
- system (or they lose their jobs) instead of writing programs for UNIX. What I
- want to say is that it might be better to provide the user with 'our' system
- then wait until the users provide us with his system (which 'we' know 'we'
- probably don't like).
-
- >Oh, and as much fun as we all like to make of MS-DOS, Mac OS, Windows...I do
- >some tasks, some of them very simple, some of them moderately demanding, on
- >such machines. They're capable of some tough tasks...So let's not make them
- >sound like their for simpletons only.
-
- I'm not saying that. It's just that I'm used to worst case design... ;-)
-
- >I would just cringe to think, though,
- >what kind of mess my Mac interface would be if it contained the power of UNIX.
-
- That would be monstrous! It's not what I would consider to be 'user friendly'.
- What I want is a powerful user interface a la Windows or OS/2, with applications
- that use the same user interface, with many system defaults (e.g. startup with
- X, UUCP disabled (not removed!), etc.), and everything else exactly as we have
- now in UNIX. IMHO, only the way a system is setup and the user interface stink
- (from a user's point of view).
-
- >Pull down menus that go on forever both down and accross, and some terrible
- >way of mixing mouse selections to simulate what the UNIX command line does with
- >pipes and such. Bleah.
-
- YUCK!
-
- >Both kinds of OS can be better, and maybe something better will be developed...
- >but strictly speaking, UNIX as the EveryThingOS doesn't seem such a wonderful
- >idea.
-
- I don't see much difference with a normal UNIX system we now know and a
- polished UNIX. It's just that the disadvantages should be removed, otherwise
- UNIX is a nice system.
-
-