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- From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.132829.1882@global.hacktic.nl>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:28:29 GMT
- References: <1992Oct29.145233.12598@zeos.com> <1992Oct31.175112.5920@Celestial.COM> <1992Nov1.153139.7307@dmp.csiro.au> <1992Nov2.021043.9885@colorado.edu> <1992Nov5.115602.391@global.hacktic.nl> <1355@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk>
- Organization: Global Village 1
- Lines: 57
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- >left cursor right and insert text simply. This is a drawback with unix : if
- >you don't know how to use vi or emacs you cant edit your command line.
-
- Hmm, I always use bash and in emacs mode it understands cursor keys...
-
- >>Most DOS editors have a help key, they often show which commands are availlable
- >>on the screen, have mouse support, pull-down menus or WordStar commands.
- >Mouse support is certainly tricky under unix if you are connected with a
- >vt100 and a modem :-)
-
- But not for a graphical screen.
-
- >>And emacs is easier to learn than vi? <grin> Besides that, the programs you
- >>mention are editors. A typical programmer's tool. What about a decent word
- >>processor? (Oh please, inform me about the 'user friendliness' of troff and
- >>(La)TeX... :)
-
- >I don't see your point here. Wordperfect and Microsoft word exist under unix,
- >amongst other.
-
- For WHICH UNIX?
-
- >>Now you're talking. Let's face it, most users know DOS and not UNIX.
- >I wonder what you understand by the word "know". I agree that there are more
- >people who use programs on ms/dos machines that there are people who use
- >programs on unix machines. But I wouldnt say that they have a knowledge of
- >ms/dos.
-
- They for instance know to type 'dir' and what it does.
-
- >>Without changing Makefiles??? Gee!
- >Major unixes have an option in many makefiles (there is always a make sco or
- >make sysv or make bsd).
-
- Most programs I've seen don't have a 'make sco'. Most have a 'make sysv' or
- 'make bsd', but unfortunately SysV isn't always SysV and BSD isn't always BSD.
- Compare for instance the wait3() function on a Sun and on other BSD systems...
-
- >>Yep, but the problem is that even on the same processor it's not always
- >>possible to exchange executables. Ever tried to run BSD/386 executables under
- >>System V.4?
- >Ever tried to run a windows programm under dos?
-
- Ever tried to run X binaries without running X? I just did (xterm): Error:
- can't open Display. Anyway, I can run a DOS executable under DR DOS, which is
- a DOS clone. Many UNIXes don't allow this.
-
- >and even sometimes no backups). I think we go back to your airplane example :
- >under dos there is less to administer but the user is in charge of the whole
- >machine, under unix the user doesnt have the hassle to administrate and can
- >enjoy his programs fully.
-
- We can have a UNIX which has UUCP, TCP/IP and such features disabled (note: NOT
- removed). If someone wants to use those features, (s)he has to learn the
- difficult part of using UNIX. But (s)he doesn't need to do that right from the
- beginning.
-
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