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- Path: sparky!uunet!mcsun!sun4nl!hacktic!utopia!global!peter
- From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov11.233715.515@global.hacktic.nl>
- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:37:15 GMT
- References: <1992Nov7.233410.15205@global.hacktic.nl> <1992Nov9.120754.37981@slate.mines.colorado.edu>
- Organization: Global Village 1
- Lines: 95
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- mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah) writes:
-
- >Uhm, I know it's a small point, but one people seem to forget: Most People
- >in the World speak Chinese, so, why don't we insist on writing in English ?
-
- One world standard language wouldn't be a bad thing, even if it were Chinese.
-
- >Or, why is it good to learn some french when you're travelling to France ?
-
- Gee, that's why we learn French at school. But I wonder why all those
- foreigners never speak Dutch... Oh wel... <grin>
-
- >My point is, Unix offer many advantages (and some disadvantages) than more
- >simpler systems such as DOS and OS/2.
-
- OS/2 ain't a simple system. It's much like DOS from the outside but completely
- different from the inside.
-
- >Should users want to use those
- >advantages, they should expect to learn and think the way Unix does.
-
- I agree, but you can't expect a traveller to go to, say, China and have a
- nice holiday when he doesn't speak Chinese and the Chinese don't speak
- English. What I mean that if he says "I want to rent a boat" in Chinese,
- but he can't remember the translation of boat, it would be nice if he could
- say that word in English and still have the Chinese understand him, right?
-
- >If they find Unix is too complex, and don't want to bother with asking
- >someone for help, or paying someone for help, then probably Unix wasn't
- >meant for them in the first place.
-
- That's just a matter of viewpoint, IMHO. I think that UNIX was designed to be
- flexible. The user interface was left out of the kernel and that means that
- we can choose our own UI without changing the system. So why not use that
- power so that an unknowledgable user can use the system too?
-
- >The 'dir to ls' comparison is ridiculous. It's like saying since most
-
- The comparison isn't rediculous, you're trying to make it rediculous.
-
- >Today Unix and most of its variants are large and complex operating
- >systems, designed for the use of large and serious tasks and systems.
-
- UNIX is a large OS, but so is OS/2 and so will be NT. What's the matter with
- that? A car is a complex piece of machinery too. Ever heard complaints by
- ordinary drivers about the complexity of their car?
-
- >Moreover, I will also say that Unix today is meant to be run and
- >managed by system administrators who know what they're doing.
-
- Sure, for today's UNIX systems you're right. But things change. Ten years
- ago, UNIX was meant for large computers, not for micro's. It was not meant
- for graphics. Now most UNIX systems run on small micro's and many have
- graphics.
-
- >People to forget that most Unix systems are *not* home systems.
-
- I would swear that this Linux system is at home. I know many more people who
- run Linux or 386BSD at their home machine. Not all (including me) are wizards
- and none are realy the typical end-user.
-
- >But really, most Unix packages today are easy to install.
-
- Not the UNIX packages I had to install!
-
- >Heck, I had fewer problems than installing OS/2 2.0 !
-
- I've never installed OS/2 v2.0. I did install v1.3 and that was as easy as
- could be. No technical questions, well chosen defaults and with enough on-line
- help.
-
- >Why do people who find Unix too hard want Unix at home anyhow ?
-
- I don't know. And in fact, that has nothing to do with this thread. The point
- is, that the home market is THE market for the comming years. In volume that
- is. An OS that is successful in large market will get the most support. The
- most space in the magazines, the most applications, the most books, the most
- companies behind it (third party software/hardware/support/etc.). If NT gets
- all, then UNIX will live a small life in the shadow. I.e. it will die.
-
- >Well, I think those people need to wake
- >up, smell the coffee, and realize that Unix wasn't meant to be a
- >single-user-system without a dedicated sysadmin person.
-
- It doesn't matter for who it was meant. The question is: *CAN* it be a suitable
- single user system? The answer is YES! Remember, it's a flexible system.
- Flexible in contrast to static. You think UNIX is a static system: it's multi
- user and complex and it's going to stay that way. That's shortsighted. UNIX
- has never been a static system. It has evolved from day 1 and it hasn't stopped
- and never will. If there is money in an easy to install, easy to adminster and
- easy to use UNIX system, then someone will jump in that market. And since most
- people don't care whether they run system X or system Y, as long as they can
- do their job at a minimal effort, then that automatically means that they are
- potential UNIX users. It's just that the effort is too high at this moment.
-
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