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- From: pollack@dendrite.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jordan B Pollack)
- Subject: Re: Undecidability of configurations/progression
- In-Reply-To: tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu's message of 8 Nov 92 21: 02:19 MST
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- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:31:40 GMT
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- >2) Whether a configuration is garden of eden (as demonstrated by previous
- > poster)
-
- there are 3 different problems:
-
- 1) Given a SPECIFIC finite configuration, we can run a deterministic
- limited-neighborhood CA BACKWARDS one step. Generally, one would get
- lots of previous states, but a GoE would have 0 previous states.
- The size of the previous states would expand at the speed of light.
-
- To do this is straightforward but excessive in computer time. In a 3
- by 3 neighborhood, like LIFE, you just enumerate the number of
- 9-tuples which give rise to either state of a cell, and run an
- assumption-based constraint propagation algorithm to ensure a
- consistent labelling of each cell. Each assumption would multiply
- the number of solutions.
-
- 2) Finding a GoE which gives rise to a PARTICULAR configuration is a
- much harder problem, as it would require searching through the space
- generated by operator 1. Unless the question were asked: "is this
- configuration less than K generations from a GoE", it is undecideable.
-
- 3) finally, whether or not any GoE's EXIST for a particular CA rule
- might be even harder.
-
- A more interesting question might involve whether the current state in
- the smallest bounding box, could have arisen from a "smaller" state.
-
- Then one could invert CA's to build data compression systems:
-
- Start with 1011 and run rule 247 for 16325 generations,
- then run rule 343 for 932 generations, and ta da: the Mona Lisa!
-
-
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- Jordan Pollack Assistant Professor
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