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- From: jja@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Ahola Jari,,,OHJ,57541)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
- Subject: Re: Problems with Fast SCSI-II on Sun Sparc 10
- Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:56:53 GMT
- Organization: Technical University of Tampere, Dep. of Computer Science ,Finland
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- From article <1992Nov13.081624.764@EE.Stanford.EDU>, by craig@isl.Stanford.EDU (Craig Barratt):
- > I recently added a Micropolis 1548 2GB external SCSI-II drive
- > to a Sun Sparc Station 10-30. Both the Micropolis disk and Sun
- > Sparc 10 support Fast SCSI-II (10MB/sec). Initially I connected
- > the disk as the only external SCSI peripheral, and had no problems
- > formatting it and building a file system. The Sparc 10 had no
- > problems booting and mounting the new disk.
- >
- > Next, I connected three other SCSI-II peripherals: a Sun 1.3GB
- > disk, an Exabyte 8mm tape drive, and a CDrom drive (the Micropolis
- > was closest to the Sparc in the daisy chain). The Sparc 10 would
- > not boot: it hung while probing the SCSI for the Micropolis drive.
- > Eventually it timed out, complaining that it didn't receive a
- > response to a SCSI command.
- >
-
- When using single-ended Fast SCSI-2 devices you'll notice that
- adding more than one drive outside the box will cause problems.
- This is simply because of the fact that it is not possible to get them
- working because of the laws of the physics (if you're familiar with
- transmission line theory you'll know why).
-
- >
- > I talked to someone at Micropolis and they said:
- >
- > - "Sun Sparc 10's have problems with Fast SCSI-II".
- >
-
- It's not limited to Sun - it's because it's SCSI-2 is single-ended.
-
- > - "An *active* (rather than passive) SCSI-II terminator will help."
- >
-
- It may help you if your system is just barely not functioning properly
- but active termination won't help in every case.
-
- > - "Micropolis is tweaking some Fast SCSI-II timing to make it
- > work better".
- >
- > Help!! If things don't work with the traditional passive terminator,
- > I'm skeptical that an active one would help much. Also:
- >
- > - Where would I get an active SCSI terminator, and how much
- > would it cost? Should I bother?
- >
-
- Try one of the cable makers who advertise on Sun Expert etc.
-
- > - Has anyone had good/bad experiences with Fast SCSI-II Micropolis
- > drives?
- >
-
- Only good experiences so far.
-
- > - Has anyone had good/bad experiences with Fast SCSI-II peripherals
- > on the Sparc 10?
- >
-
- Everyone is going to have if the hook more than one external Fast SCSI-2
- device and/or use longer than 1' external cable....
-
- The only way to do this properly on a SS10 is to get a differential
- Fast SCSI-2 controller (Sun makes one, and so does PTI), buy only
- differential drives from now and hook them on the differential bus
- and use the internal scsi controller for all the old 5 MB/s peripherals.
-
- -jja
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