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- From: jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (Jon Mellott)
- Subject: Re: SPARCclassic vs. 486 (Was Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcments))
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- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:54:42 GMT
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- In article <books.98.0@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu>, books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books) writes:
- |> johnn@eskimo.celestial.com (John Navitsky) writes:
- |>
- |> > Gateway 2000 66MHz 486DX2 EISA* Sun SPARCclassic
- |> > 66MHz Intel 486 ("double clocked") 50MHz TI microSPARC
- |> > 8MB RAM 16MB RAM using 16MB sims (to 96MB)
- |>
- |> +$50 to gateway
- |>
- |> > 340MB SCSI disk 207MB SCSI-2 (to 22GB)
- |>
- |> +70 to Sun
- |> (If you count SCSI-2 as $0.00)
- |>
- |> > ?? 8 bit audio
- |>
- |> +$80.
- |>
- |> > not included twisted pair ethernet (10mb/sec)
- |>
- |> +$130
- |>
- |> > 2 serial ports 2 serial ports
- |> > 1 parallel port 1 parallel port
- |> > ?xEISA slots (32MB/sec) 2xSBus slots (100MB/sec)
- |>
- ^ Eight EISA slots
- |> Have to make your own judgement on this one.
- |>
- |> > 16bit SVGA w/1MB 8 bit color, 1024x768 or 1152x900
- |> > 14" CrystalScan 15" color 1024x768, 76Hz refresh,
- |> 100dpi
- |>
- |> +$70
- |>
- |> > 5.25" & 3.5" floppys 3.5" optional
- |>
- |> +$100 (I know, no 5 1/4)
- |>
- |> > DOS 5.0 Solaris 2.1
- |>
- |> How much is Unix worth to you?
- |>
- |> > MS-Windows 3.1 Open Windows 3
- |>
- |> How much is a decent windowing system worth to you?
- |>
- |> > Choice of application not included
- |>
- |> ??
- |>
- |> > Tower case IPC style box
- |> > 64bit memory bus
- |> > $3,995 $4,295
- |>
- |> +$350 +$170
- |>
- |> Total $4,345 $4,465
- |>
- |> The question, is Solaris and a multi-user machine worth more than $120
- |> to you? That's an easy one for me.
- |>
-
- I don't agree with your comparison of the EISA machine -- these
- machines are very low volume and much more expensive than their
- ISA w/ local bus counterparts.
-
- For example, in last week's PC Week, the Gateway ad listed the
- following:
-
- 66 MHz 486 DX2
- 8 MB RAM, 64KB cache
- 5.25" & 3.5" floppies
- 340 MB local bus IDE drive (13 ms)
- VESA local bus ATI Ultra Pro (accelerated)
- 15" color Crystalscan flat screen (1280x1024, NI)
- Desktop Case, Mouse, Keyboard, DOS, Windows & Choice of App
- Total Price: $2995
-
- OK, now add Ethernet ($130), sound ($100), and another 8 MB
- of memory ($225) and you're up to a whopping $3450. I suspect
- that this is a fairer comparison than that EISA box. BTW,
- take the above Gateway system, and roll the configuration back
- to a 486DX-33, 200 MB disk, and 14" Crystalscan (1024x768 NI),
- and the base price falls to $2395. Add the above options
- and the price goes to $2850.
-
- Yes, I'm not going to run my EDA tools on a PC, but, I do
- run many productivity tools on the PC -- the software
- prices are so much lower, and the tools are frequently much
- better, so the additional expense of the second box is justified.
- Do you really need a Unix box to run word processors, spread sheets,
- project scheduling, graphics, and presentation management software?
- In my experience all of this stuff is *much* more expensive on the
- workstation than comparable software on the PC. For myself, and many
- users, the PC and workstation are complementary.
-
- And this really is the point. For most office automation
- tasks (and this is where the big money is in desktop systems)
- word processing, spreadsheets, and maybe a little bit of graphics
- characterize most applications. The workstation may be a little bit
- faster, but it is much more expensive to purchase, the applications
- software is more expensive, and requires an expert to configure, even
- for a single standalone machine.
-
- Intel, IBM, Compaq, and the rest of them are not afraid of these new
- machines from Sun muscling them out of the office automation market.
- Sun might have a chance to seriously penetrate the office automation
- market if Windows NT is moved to the SPARC platform. I'm not going to
- hold my breath on that happening anytime soon.
-
- Jon Mellott
- High Speed Digital Architecture Laboratory
- University of Florida
- (jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu)
-