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- From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
- Subject: Re: SPARCclassic vs. 486 (Was Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcments))
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- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:12:47 GMT
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- In article <kzin.721635961@cc.gatech.edu> kzin@terminus.gatech.edu (John Rudd) writes:
-
- >books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books) writes:
- >
- >(specific cost details omitted)
- >
- >>Total $4,345 $4,465
- >
- >>The question, is Solaris and a multi-user machine worth more than $120
- >>to you? That's an easy one for me.
- >
- >>Roger
- >>books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
- >
- >The problem is, the difference is more than $120. How much does a good
- >word processing package cost for a Dos/Windows environment? how much
- >does it cost for a SparcStation? You forgot that if your Sparcstation is
- >a standalone, you MUST buy a CDROM, since you wont be able to load the
- >OS off of the network. The Gateway doesn't require a CDROM, so you really
- >don't need to include that in the cost of the Gateway. You have to have
- >either a tape drive or CDROM to get most of the software distributions
- >for the sun. For the Intel, most of them come on floppy.
- >
-
- Sorry, left out the CD-ROM.
-
- >Oh, and the Floppy for the LX costs $150, not $100.
- >
- >So, you've got to buy a $650 CDROM, and if you're buying, say, FrameMaker..
- >that's, waht, another $800?
- >
- >Whereas, word for windows is $400? Gateway total is $4745, Sparc is $5965
- >
-
- Mostly I use emacs so that doesn't enter into the picture.
-
- >what does a good laser printer cost? for the sparc you get a sparcpritner
- >for $2500. For the Gateway you get a TI Microlaser for $1200ish.
- >The Sparc now costs you in the area of $8500. The Gateway in the area of
- >$6000.
- >
-
- Actually, I don't buy anything but HP laser printers. I will put the
- same printer on the PC or the Sun. (I have a HP-3 on my PC at home,
- $1500 + mem + Postscript, about $2100 total. Both serial and Parrallel.)
-
- What's stopping you from hooking the TI up to the Sun?
-
- >
- >Then there's "Do I want to do development?". If you want to, and you
- >aren't on the internet.. you're going to pay $300 to $2000 for a C
- >development system. On a dos machine, $300 is near your upper limit.
- >
-
- Hold on, doesn't Solaris come with a c-compiler? If I don't like Suns
- compiler I get GNU C. If I have no internet access I believe I can order
- it from FSF. If it's not on CD-ROM it soon will be.
-
- >
- >Don't get me wrong.. I'm willng to pay an extra $3k for a Sun workstation.
- >I think it's worth more than double a Dos Box. But your analysis is flawed
- >in that the cost of the hardware isn't the only relevant area. The cost
- >to the user will include software..and Unix systems in general, and Sun
- >systems specifically are still WAY behind in this market area.
- >
- >Also keep in mind that you can at this point divide your harddisk in to
- >two partitions, and have a DOS partition and a BSD/386 partition..this will
- >only cost you $1000, tho you'll have to buy a tape drive.. so maybe your
- >system is now at $8000.. You've paid $500 less than the sparc, you have
- >your choice of low cost Dos aps, or advanced unix aps (bsd/386 will soon
- >support SCO applications, and runs non-graphics dos applications).
- >(to get your sparc to run those nice dos applications will cost you even
- >more money..but atleast then you can afford to buy cheaper software)
- >
-
- I'm still curious as to how good bsd/386 is going to be. How are they
- going to sell 386BSD when they are giving away bsd/386? This isn't a valid
- point though because Linux is very stable.
-
- >The questions don't stop at simple hardware analysis. You also need
- >to know what you want out of the system. And in that case, cost may
- >be irrelevant.
- >
- >(I guess the best summary of hte above is: the previous posts about
- >'a gateway costs X, and a Sparc costs X + a little more so buy a Sparc'
- >are a little absurd, as they don't take enough of the system picture
- >in to account to be a reasonable model of the total end user cost; nor
- >do they take in to account the purpose of the system and the best way
- >to meet that goal)
- >
-
- I will also admit I am biased against anything running the Intel 80x86
- family of chips. I am sure everyone has heard enough of that.
-
- >
- >John
-
- Roger
- books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
-