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- From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman)
- Subject: Re: New SUN's, Bad news for NeXT?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov12.191652.28719@socrates.umd.edu>
- Organization: University of Maryland University College
- References: <1059@esosun.UUCP> <1992Nov12.160051.104579@lexmark.com>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:16:52 GMT
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- songer@lexmark.com (Christopher Songer) writes:
-
- >The thing to watch out for is the IBM disease Sun has recently acquired.
- >Your workststion is $4200, but ... Oh you want a compiler for that? That's
- >extra. Seriously, we are holding back going to a new rev of Sun OS because
- >they want to charge us for lots of things that used to be free. The harware
- >is cheap, but the total cost is probably more.
- And this is from a kinda-sorta IBM guy? (Assuming Lexmark is still
- owned by IBM) ;-)
-
- Yes, Sun C isn't free anymore. NeXT is. BUT: NeXT uses a hacked gcc,
- and probably didn't have to do anywhere near as much compiler
- development work as Sun did. You can get gcc for Sparc/Solaris-2 for
- free, so the C compiler isn't really an issue.
-
- The other NeXT software, however, is immensely valuable to a
- developer. (Don't read this, NeXT:) If I was making a living
- developing NeXT software (I'm not) I would pay a large amount of
- money for IB if it wasn't bundled with the OS.
-
- I can actually understand Sun's reasoning. Software support is *very*
- expensive so it makes sense for Sun (and possibly everyone else) that
- only those who *need* the tech support for, say, Sun C, pay for it.
- If you buy 100 SPARCs to run some generic application such as
- FrameMaker, would you really be interested in paying ~100 per box for
- software and support you don't use? (The $100 figure is a guess; I
- figured that if 1 SPARC in 20 is used for development, the per-machine
- cost for C would be 1/20 of the $2000 SunC license fee).
-
- We're seeing a situation now where high-end PCs and low-end PCs are
- having similar performance and are used for running shrinkwrapped
- software, so it's hardly surprising that PCs and workstations are
- becoming similar in terms of what the vendor bundles with the OS.
-
- Not a flame,
- Fredrik
-