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- From: guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (Kui Yu Chang)
- Subject: Re: Request for info from DeskWriter owners
- Message-ID: <1992Nov8.082521.5236@news.Hawaii.Edu>
- Keywords: Quadra, problems, hardware, software
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- Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
- References: <1992Oct30.160843.7819@gvl.unisys.com>
- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:25:21 GMT
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- In article <1992Oct30.160843.7819@gvl.unisys.com> dave@prc.unisys.com (David Lee Matuszek) writes:
- >In two or three weeks I expect to buy some kind of HP DeskWriter,
- >with estimated probabilities:
- >
- > 20% DeskWriter
- > 50% DeskWriter C
- > 30% DeskWriter 550 C
- >
- >Questions:
- >
- >1) Why do these come with fonts? I thought they worked more like an
- > ImageWriter than a laser printer; that is, dot matrix rather
- > than PostScript.
-
- ********* ANSWER *********
- The OUTLINE fonts provided are for NICER looking printouts on this 300 dpi
- printer. The DeskWriter is a QUICKDRAW printer allright, no POSTSCRIPT, but
- it can still print great TEXT documents and non-POSTSCRIPT graphics, e.g.
- drawings in your MACDRAW, EXCEL, POWERPOINT,etc. and in COLOR also!
- *************************
-
- >2) With an ImageWriter II, I need to buy a special printer driver to
- > print in color, because the Apple-supplied printer driver can only
- > print B&W from most applications. Does the HP printer driver
- > support color printing from any color application (like
- > MacPallette II does)? Or am I going to have to fiddle around with
- > GIF Converter or its ilk?
-
- ********* ANSWER *********
- The DeskWriter 550/500 C printer DRIVER supports FULL COLOR printout of every
- software that supports color. At least, I got BEAUTIFUL printouts from EXCEL,
- WORD, QUARKXPRESS, PAGEMAKER, POWERPOINT, CANVAS, ULTRAPAINT, etc.
- ***************************
-
- >3) If I can't do color *easily*, a StyleWriter is still a possibility.
- > When first introduced, these were much slower than an HP
- > DeskWriter, but I understand that a new printer driver has made
- > them somewhat faster. How much faster? With the new driver, how
- > does it compare to the DeskWriter?
-
- ********* ANSWER *********
- (1) You CAN do color EASILY but be aware that a full color page could take 10
- mins (using the 57.8 Kbps SERIAL connection; it might be faster if you use
- the APPLETALK connection - 230.4 Kbps)
- (2) The souped-up Stylewriter is still AT LEAST 50% slower than the Deskwriter.
- If I remember correctly from a MacWorld report months ago.
- (3) The Deskwriter has a 20,000 Hrs MTBF(Mean Time Between Failure rate) BUT
- the Stylewriter has BUT 6000 Hrs MTBF (please correct me if I am wrong, it
- might be 3000 Hrs, can't remember). ===> Your Stylewriter is more likely to
- DIE earlier than the DeskWriter. You can't blame Apple because the OEM (
- Original Equipment Manufacturer) of the Stylewriter is CANON, and it was
- modified from the CANON portable BJ-10 bubblejet printer(with sheet-feeder
- integrated into the Apple Stylewriter). Portable HARDWARE usually HAVE
- lower MTBF.
- (4) By the way, the original BJ-10 was graded at 83cps(EXTREMELY slow even when
- compared to dot-matrix which has 200 cps or more). The DeskWriter can print
- 3 page per minute (TEXT and BLACK) in DRAFT and 1 ppm in HIGH-QUALITY mode.
- (5) The DeskWriter 550C prints **BEAUTIFUL** transparencies on the special HP
- Transparencies (approx $1 per sheet). I just gaved a class presentation with
- printouts from my Deskwriter 550C, you will want to see the faces of the
- class, they were completely taken in awe by the beautiful transparencies.
- I tried printing on normal transparencies and it did NOT work, ie. you get
- horrible smudges.
- (6) DeskWriter has a nice output "bay" to hold your printouts(up to 100 sheets)
- AND a 100-sheet paper feeder to hold your paper. Stylewriter has NO output
- tray/bay, so if you left your Stylewriter unattended, your printouts might
- be blown away by the wind when you return. The Stylewriter has a 20(or 50)
- sheet paper feeder, though.
- (7) The stylewriter has a 360 dpi output which is BETTER than the Deskwriter
- series of Ink-jets. But this may be a problem if you use the OLD method of
- printing high resolution FONTS on the laser printer. i.e. if I print a 12
- point EXOTIC font, I would put a 48 point EXOTIC font in my System so that
- the printer can use the 48 pt FONT(4 times the 12 pt, which is also the no.
- of times the printer 288 dpi is greater than the screen 72 dpi). THIS
- PROBLEM WILL EXIST IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE THE "PRECISION BIT-MAPPED" OPTION.
- In the case of the Stylewriter, if you choosed this option, you would need
- to have a 60 pt EXOTIC FONT in your System, and 60 pt size is not that
- popular, 48 was the de facto standard. For my case I will have a problem if
- I use my CHINESE Appletalk OS on the Stylewriter, because I only have the 48
- and 64 pt of the CHINESE fonts!
- (8) Cost of Deskwriter BLACK INK Cartridge:
- TYPE COST(approx) WILL LAST(TEXT OUTPUT)
- normal BLACK $18 500 pages
- High Capacity BLACK $30 1000 pages
- CMY COLOR $34 300 pages colour GRAPHICS
- each page with 15% coverage.
- **************************
-
- >Those are the major questions. Minor questions are:
- >
- >4) Any recommendations for where I should buy from?
-
- ******** ANSWER *********
- I got my DeskWriter 550C from a local computer shop for $789, includes both
- color and black ink cartridges. Perhaps you can get one from a authorized HP
- dealer(mine was one) or a Mail-order house. Sorry, don't know much about this.
- *************************
-
- >5) What sort of paper is best?
-
- ******* ANSWER *********
- This you must ask the people staying in your AREA, I could not find
- the brands and types of the paper that the nets guys told me. In the end I asked
- the Univ.Bookstore rep and he gave me pretty good recommendation. JUST in case
- you have access to this brand, I use the LEE COPY BOND, $5.60 for 500 sheets.
- In General, SOME of the photocopy papers work fine, you just have to find the
- right one. I posted a simple pre-test to test the paper without actually
- printing it out a while ago, see if its useful.
- ************************
-
- >If you have any opinions on this, I'd love to hear them. I've
- >generally gotten some pretty good advice from the net (when I can get
- >any responses at all).
-
- ********************* CONCLUSION *******************
- (1) if you want color, NEVER buy the DeskWriter C, composite BLACK looks
- HORRIBLE. Get the DeskWriter 550 C instead, it can print TRUE Black AND
- color on the SAME page.
- (2) I got the DeskWriter 550C over the Stylewriter(DeskWriter C) because
- (a) Color capability (and TRUE BLACK)
- (b) longer lifespan
- (c) better paper handling
- (d) 35 standard laserwriter outline fonts included
- (e) FASTER
- (f) better paper feeding path(i.e. I can put it in a shelf, but not the
- Stylewriter because it takes in paper vertically.
- (g) 3 yr HP warranty
- *****************************************************
-
- >Thanks.
-
- ********** ANSWER **********
- Don't mention it.
- ****************************i
-
- > --dave
-
-
- Sincerely yours,
- Julian CHANG
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