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Info-Mac Digest             Fri,  6 Nov 92       Volume 10 : Issue 267

Today's Topics:

      Administrivia
      [*] Abalone.1.0.final
      [*] AreaCodes.hqx
      [*] Company AOL addresses
      [*] Final submission of Raising Arizona sounds
      [*] parrot10a5
      [*] Ren & Stimpy Oath Snd.cpt.hqx
      [*] Revisionist 1.3
      [*] submission, sound
      [*] Suppl. Gestalt Sel. List 1.1
      [*] text_press.hqx
      50 MHz IIsi
      7.1 questions
      Atari Disk in SuperDrive? (Was Re: Mac Atari ST emulator)
      Calendar/ToDo list SW
      Can't delete folders
      Canvas 3.0.5 ?
      Classic Memory Upgrade Warning
      Desktop files (trashing and rebuilding)
      Desktop files: Trashing and rebuilding (A)
      Desktop Files: Trashing and Rebuilding (C)
      Desktop Files: Trashing and Rebuilding (Q)
      FTPing from a mac
      HideApps DocSaving Q
      Hiding apps in Sys7 (A)
      Hiding Apps in Sys7 (C)
      How to test integrity of SIMMs?
      ImageWrtier with DOS PC (C)
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #264
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #266
      Invisible INIT
      Looking for a utility
      mac interface lacking powerful abstractions to do work
      Macintosh PC Exchange, Problems with (C)
      MacTCP
      MacTCP 1.1.1 & Disk Tree viewers
      Mixing network types on a Mac (A)
      Mixing network types on a Mac (Q)
      Naming printers (A)
      NOW Utils 4.0.1 bug
      NOW Utilties and WYSIWYG Font Menu Problem
      Opening MacPortable (Q)
      PB100 RAM disk operation
      Programming books
      RasterOps (C)
      RPC Interface for Mac OS?  (Q)
      Screen Depth XFCN
      Software for writing job descriptions?
      Speed: IIsi vs. IIvi (Q) - (2nd ask)
      Stylewriter eratic problems
      Superdrive Upgrade Required!!!
      Switching between windows without using mouse?
      Sys7 version of SmartScrap (Q)
      TCL C Exception Bug
      Text display at startup
      TeXtures, Postscript example (A)
      Weird text positioning in MacDraw Pro
      What machine should I get? (A/2) (2 msgs)
      White Knight email address please?
      Who sells PlotView? (Q)

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:05:58 PST
From: Info-Mac Moderator <[e-mail]>
Subject: Administrivia

Hello all,

I am going to be away on business in South Korea for a week, probably
starting tomorrow. Gordon will be minding the store. Please refrain from
sending non-urgent mail to info-mac-request, as I will be reading it very
rapidly when I return in order to plow through the usual large stack of mail.

Thanks,

Bill

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 22:49:12 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] Abalone.1.0.final

This is version 1.0 final of Abalone for the Macintosh.
Abalone is a nice strategic board game.
This Macintosh implementation of the game allows you to play
Abalone against the Mac, or against another player.
Requirements: a mac that runs System 7, and 256K of free RAM.
This version should replace the 1.0b2 and 1.0b3 versions.
Most important changes since 1.0b3:
- greatly optimized, speed is now acceptable on a MacPlus.
- added sound play option.
This is FreeWare, but for commercial distribution,
written permission by the author is required (see About box).

Peter Tax

[Archived as /info-mac/game/abalone-10.hqx; 58K]

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 10:14:37 EST
From: [e-mail] (We Will Rock You!)
Subject: [*] AreaCodes.hqx

   This is a simple little utility that will tell you what
state a given area code falls in.  Freeware.

[Archived as /info-mac/app/area-codes.hqx; 15K]

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 11:21:14 PST
From: [e-mail] (Salient Software)
Subject: [*] Company AOL addresses

This file lists the keywords for companies providing support on AOL.
To send InterNet mail to these companies just place their keyword
in front of "@aol.com"

Example:  The keyword for Salient is "salient" so the InterNet address
      is "[e-mail]".

I have been told "For two word keywords you just drop the spaces when
sending from the Internet."

[Archived as /info-mac/report/aol-company-addresses.txt; 5K]

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Date: 31 Oct 1992 19:24:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] Final submission of Raising Arizona sounds

This is the last of three submissions of SNDS from the movie
"Raising Arizona," including FREEZE OR DROP, MENSTRUAL CRAMPS,
REAGAN, TURN TO THE RIGHT.

If you enjoy them or the movie as much as I do, drop me a note.
I have some other examples I may be able to send you.

                --Greg Hinson
                Medical College of Virginia
                [e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/sound/raising-arizona-grp-3.hqx; 557K]

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 01:29:13 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Bernie Bernstein)
Subject: [*] parrot10a5

This is a small hack which listens to the sound input device and randomly
plays back sounds that it recently heard. Source included. Freeware. It was
formerly called Confusion. This version has a new icon and fixes some sound
bugs.

[Archived as /info-mac/sound/program/parrot-10a5.hqx; 36K]

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 01:31:56 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dameon D. Welch)
Subject: [*] Ren & Stimpy Oath Snd.cpt.hqx

The complete "Ren & Stimpy Secret Club" oath. Digitized from the TV show at
22KHz.

[Archived as /info-mac/sound/ren-n-stimpy-secret-club.hqx; 340K]

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 12:58:58 +0100
From: Christoph Reichenberger <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Revisionist 1.3

Version 1.3 of Revisionist is now available!

For (registered) users of Revisionist:
Revisionist V 1.3 implements a much faster Algorithm for generating deltas
(especially between large files). Improvements between factor 2 and 4. :-)

For Revisionist newcomers:
Revisionist is a simple revision control tool that allows you to store
different
revisions of arbitrary documents. The different revisions of any types of
files
(not only text files) are stored in a space efficient manner (about 5 % of the
full file size per revision)  together with its original file name, file type,
creator, creation and modification date, check-in-date and a comment you can
type. Later on, you can extract any revision whenever you want.

Revisionist uses a delta storage technique to store the different revisions of
your document in a space efficient way. The overhead for the different
revisions
of the document depends on the mass and kind of changes you made and on the
method your application saves its documents.
In our tests we achieved very good results e.g. with files of many different
kinds like Think-Pascal source texts, WriteNow/MS Word/Canvas/... documents.
On an average Revisionist needs about 5 % of the originial file size
to store one revision.

Revisionist is System 7 clean, but not dependent.

Revisionist is shareware!

Christoph Reichenberger - [e-mail] -
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/util/revisionist-13.hqx; 206K]

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 11:56:47 EST
From: chronos![e-mail]
Subject: [*] submission, sound

A sound beep: "Bababooey", from the Howard Stern radio show.
Also, a bonus beep, my grandmother answering the phone.

    Hank

[Archived as /info-mac/sound/bababooey.hqx; 45K]

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 15:19:38 MET
From: "Rene G.A. Ros" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Suppl. Gestalt Sel. List 1.1

Here is my Supplemental Gestalt Selectors List v1.1.
It contains information about gestalt selectors installed by apple
software (but not mentioned in Inside Macintosh) and by third parties
software.
It is also posted to comp.sys.mac.programmer, but I mail it also to
info-mac digest to see if you all out there want is also.
This may be the first and last time, it depends how many replies I
get. So let me know if you don't have access to c.s.m.programmer and
want to have it.

Greetings, Rene Ros

[Archived as /info-mac/tech/gestalt-list-11.txt; 20K]

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 15:52:05 CST
From: toki takeuchi <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] text_press.hqx

Text Press converts TeachText documents between the standard editable
TEXT type and read-only ttro type.  System 7 Savvy, including DRAG
AND DROP.  This version requires System 7.  Version 1.0.  Ideal when
you want to enclose a READ ME file with software.

Kenji Takeuchi

[Archived as /info-mac/util/text-press-10.hqx; 12K]

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 16:58:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: 50 MHz IIsi

Recently I was made aware that it is possible to change the Mac IIsi from
a 40MHz oscillator to a 50MHz oscillator, effectively making the IIsi run
at 25MHz instead of 20MHz.  The way to do this is to de-solder the 40MHz
oscillator and replace it with a socket and a 50MHz oscillator.  The whole
upgrade costs about $5.  There are some drawbacks, however.

1)  Doing this will void the warranty.

2)  There's no guarantee the processor will work properly at 50MHz

3)  The procedure is pretty straightforward, but there's always a risk
    when you try and solder to the motherboard.


Supposedly, the IIsi has the same general insides as the IIci, but was given
a slower processor to justify its lower price.  I know two people who
have done this successfully, and nobody for which it has failed.

I don't necessarily encourage anyone to make this change.
Has anyone else heard about this?

Tony J. Bacigalupi
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 14:23:36 CST
From: Graeme Forbes <[e-mail]>
Subject: 7.1 questions

OK, I haven't been paying attention. I got the  upgrade for current
system 7 users and there seems to be nothing in it about Worldscript
and the new Keyboard menu. The system installed fine, but since
it was the Keyboard menu I wanted, that's small consolation.

I also lost my command key equivalents for  Empty Trash etc. I hope
I still have a record somewhere of the ResEdit hacks for adding
the equivalents - but will they work for 7.1? Or is there a better
way, without using a macro program?

Thanks in advance.

Graeme Forbes

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Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 22:24 MST
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Atari Disk in SuperDrive? (Was Re: Mac Atari ST emulator)

Nope!  I had the same problem myself.  I had a friend format me an official
IBM disk, then  put it in my ST, copied thefiles to it, then loaded the
IBM format disk on my Mac through Apple File Exchange and saved the files
to my HD.  Real bummer!

        Aric Friesen

P.S.
    Maybe there is software out there that I don't know about, but I
sure haven't seen it-would be interestead though.

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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 08:01:52 PST
From: "Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University"
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Calendar/ToDo list SW

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Date: 06 Nov 1992 11:04:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University <[e-mail]>
Subject: Calendar/ToDo list SW
To: INFOMAC: ;
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Greetings,

What is you favorite Calendar/ToDo list application? We'd like one that rolls
unfinished items to the next day, etc. Pointers to demos in the Archives
and/or
AppleLink and/or Compu$erve would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University Research & Instructional Computing Spec.
        - Mac/DOS/VMS consultant, PMDF Postmaster, HyperTalker

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 08:55:26 MDT
From: Roger Marks <[e-mail]>
Subject: Can't delete folders

Why can't I delete some folders? I can throw them in the trash, but the trash
won't empty "because it contains items that are in use." This often happens
even with empty folders. They can be deleted only after I restart. I get
around
the problem by throwing my trash into a folder called "Garbage" and, every few
boots, emptying the Garbage into the trash. But I've been doing this since I
gave up System 6, and I can't help wondering why System 7.0.1 Tuneup should be
so moronic. I had been assuming that, eventually, I would figure this out, or
at least ascertain what the locked folders had in common, but I've given up.

Roger
[e-mail]    NIST/Boulder,CO

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 08:54:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Canvas 3.0.5 ?

One friend told me that Canvas 3.0.5 is out. If it is out, would some kind
soul mind posting its updater.
Thanks
       Khanh Kim, Nguyen
       internet : [e-mail]
       cc:mail: [e-mail]

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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 06:52:44 PST
From: "Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University"
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Classic Memory Upgrade Warning

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Date: 06 Nov 1992 09:55:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University <[e-mail]>
Subject: Classic Memory Upgrade Warning
To: INFOMAC: ;
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We have run into a problem that others thinking about upgrading Classic RAM
should know about.

Some memory board designs do not take into account the design of the mounting
bracket that holds the board. These boards have traces too close to the edge
of
the board. As a result, sliding these boards into place can result in shorting
some of the traces by the stabilizing slots of the mounting bracket. The
boards
that we found were improperly designed were bought from Memory Plus. We have
since returned them and ordered Apple Boards and third party SIMMs.

Hope this helps someone out there avoid the frustration and delay we
experienced trying to figure out why the additional memory was not
recognized.

Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University Research & Instructional Computing Spec.
        - Mac/DOS/VMS consultant, PMDF Postmaster, HyperTalker

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Date: 06 Nov 1992 09:51:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Desktop files (trashing and rebuilding)

>   I know about the "hold-down-multiple-keys-and-Restart" technique
>for rebuilding the Desktop file; but doing this on a system with three
>hard disks and multiple INITs means holding down the keys for a *long*
>time, screwing up several of the INITs which look for keys themselves,
>and not being sure all the volumes are actually rebuilt.


I find the easiest method is to just hit Command-option-esc in the finder
(which brings up the "Force Finder to Quit?" dialog, click quit, hold
command-option.

Otherwise, as others have suggested, making the Desktop D* files (or
Desktop file for those still in the 6.0.x dark ages) visible and
trashing them before restarting is easy enough (and sometimes solves
problenms that a reqular rebuild doesn't).  ResEdit can be used to
make them visible.

Dale

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:48:50 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Rik Ahlberg)
Subject: Desktop files: Trashing and rebuilding (A)

In Info-Mac 264, Anthony E. Siegman writes:
>I know about the "hold-down-multiple-keys-and-Restart" technique
>for rebuilding the Desktop file; but doing this on a system with three
>hard disks and multiple INITs means holding down the keys for a *long*
>time, screwing up several of the INITs which look for keys themselves,
>and not being sure all the volumes are actually rebuilt.

Another way to rebuild the desktop:  Close all active aplications, then force
quit the FInder (command-option-esc) and hold down command-option as the
Finder
re-launches. You'll get the usual "Do you wish to rebuild the desktop..."
dialogs just as if you've restarted, but since this isn't a restart, your
inits/ex/cps don't reload.

Works for me.


Rik Ahlberg            McKinsey & Company, Inc.       617-457-2080 voice
[e-mail]      75 Park Plaza Boston MA 02116  617-457-2099 fax

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:11:20 PST
From: [e-mail] (John Thoo)
Subject: Desktop Files: Trashing and Rebuilding (C)

On Thu, 5 Nov 92 James Kew <[e-mail]> said:
% >   I know about the "hold-down-multiple-keys-and-Restart" technique
% >for rebuilding the Desktop file; but doing this on a system with three
% >hard disks and multiple INITs means holding down the keys for a *long*
% >time, screwing up several of the INITs which look for keys themselves,
% >and not being sure all the volumes are actually rebuilt.
%
% Now I was thinking about this just last week...
%
% Rebuilding the desktop isn't easy! Restart, wait for the init icons to
% finish so as you don't disable any of them, jam the keys down and hope you
% got in in time...
%
% The other method I use it to quit all the apps running and then quit the
% Finder (using Anti-Finder to kill it or SpeedyFinder7 to add a Quit item to
% it). Hold down the keys as the Finder restarts...

Don't forget that you can *force-quit* the Finder just like any other
application.  Holding down Cmd-Opt after doing so rebuilds the Desktop
without requiring you to wait for all your extensions to load.

--John.
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:10:08 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Nevin ":-]" Liber)
Subject: Desktop Files: Trashing and Rebuilding (Q)

[e-mail] (James Kew) writes:
>Now I was thinking about this just last week...
>
>Rebuilding the desktop isn't easy! Restart, wait for the init icons to
>finish so as you don't disable any of them, jam the keys down and hope you
>got in in time...

How about booting with extensions disabled?  I find it fairly easy to hold
down the shift key first, and then switch to the command-option keys to
rebuild the desktop.
___
NEVIN ":-)" LIBER,      RISC Meanie at large
 email:     [e-mail]        paper:  Apple Computer, Inc.
 voice:     (408) 974-MIX1                 20525 Mariani Avenue, MS: 81-GC
 AppleLink: BADENOV                        Cupertino, CA 95014

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:07:38 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Steven Arthur Sivier)
Subject: FTPing from a mac

[e-mail] writes:

>What do I have to do to FTP from a mac?  I have the FTP number of the mac I
>want to contact but fetch and Telnet just spin their wheels when I try to
>access it.  I downloaded FTPd from Sumex-aim and can get it to work on my
>SE but can not get it to work on my Quadra 950.  All other communications

>David ([e-mail])

We had the same problems FTPing to our Quadra 700. We could never get FTPd
or the others to work reliably. We couldn't get it to work until we upgraded
to Telnet 2.5 and Fetch 2.1 (along with MacTCP 1.1). Since then we've been
able to FTP from a IIfx and IIcx to our Quadra with no problems (knock on
wood). I guess it goes without saying that Telnet must be running on the
machine you're FTPing to and have FTP enabled.

Good luck
Steve
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:13 CST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: HideApps DocSaving Q

Fellow netters,
I need a way to hide applications (thus the folders they're in) and still be
able to have them launch. I have sys7 & have tried using aliases & making the
app folder invis. Aliases cant find apps in invis. foldrs though. SO, Im
lookin
for suggestions. (I am looking for freeorshareware.)
Also, where do i find the extension(or cdev-whatever it may be) that forces
new
docs to save to a specific folder. I know its built in sys7.1, but i saw
something of the sort as a stand-alone and cant find it now.

Thnx in advance. MarkMAD.

Mark Dohm, University of Wisconsin-Platteville Apple Student Rep.
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:49:27 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Rik Ahlberg)
Subject: Hiding apps in Sys7 (A)

In 10-264 Reverend John asks:
>I'm hoping there's an extension that may do this; if not, I'm hoping >someone
might write one! In System 7, you can Hide apps from the>program menu. What
I'd like to see would be a feature, such that>whenever you go to the finder,
it automatically hides all other apps.

Since I'm limited as far as what extensions I can add to my systemat work, I
just use teh built-in hide command:  Option-click on theFinder desktop from
any active application and the application hidesitself when the Finder comes
to the front.
Works for me.


Rik Ahlberg            McKinsey & Company, Inc.       617-457-2080 voice
[e-mail]      75 Park Plaza Boston MA 02116  617-457-2099 fax

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 07:40:14 EST
From: Jonathan Kamien <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hiding Apps in Sys7 (C)

You can set up Quickeys Macros to do this function easily.  My favorite
QK is mapped to the 'esc'.  It chooses finder from the App menu, pauses
and then chooses "Hide Others".  This gives a quick "escape to finder"
function.  I use it dozens of times/day.

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Date: 06 Nov 1992 04:45:14 -0500 (EST)
From: "William P. Krauthammer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: How to test integrity of SIMMs?

Hi to all.

I just got some second-hand 4meg SIMMs and I was wondering if there's any way
I can be sure they are OK? I've run a few apps with them and had no problems,
although at one point my IIsi hung when I opened Word, Excel, ZTerm, and a
shareware drawing program I had only used once before. While I suspect that
the drawing program was the culprit here, I am nevertheless curious as to what
is the best way to give these SIMMs are workout. (Put another way, are there
any particular operations that might lay bare a problem with the SIMMs that
is not immediately apparent, or would I have experienced any problems from the
first moment I started up my Mac with them installed?)

Any advice, suggestions would be sincerely appreciated.

  --Bill Krauthammer
    Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 10:44:54 +0100
From: "CHRISTIAN F. BUSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ImageWrtier with DOS PC (C)

[e-mail] asked:

>Does anyone know of an imagewriter II driver for Windows 3.1 or even just
>DOS. I've had a MAC for years  and just recently became corrupt and got

Hi,

As far as I know it should not be a problem to redirect the output of your
MesSy-DOS computer to the serial port. You would add to your  AUTOEXEC.BAT
file the line

  MODE LPT1 = COM1

to use serial port 1 for your printer output. Depending on what software
you are using, this command may be overwritten, so check in the manuals of
your software if this applies. As far as I can judge from my old, old IW
manual (IW 1), the character set is the same as of the "normal" DOS
printers'. Be sure to adjust the DIP switches to your needs.

Good luck, Christian               [e-mail]

Board member of
MACINTOSH USERS SWITZERLAND - the national Swiss Mac Users Group

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 06:30:16 -0500
From: Bob Kerns <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #264

    Date: Mon, 02 Nov 92 20:35:36 EST
    From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
    Actually, there is only one little bitty thing wrong between MODE32 and
    System 7.1 -- VM dies when MODE32 is active. But why would you invoke
    VM if you have all kinds of memory? I have MODE32 active on Leslye's II
    and my office IIcx, each with 20MB of real memory. No need to invoke VM.
    And 7.1 works dandy.

A number of people seem to be a bit confused about
the need for VM and MODE32.  Those of us with 8 Mb
in our Mac II still need to use both of these simultaneously.

As do, of course, those with 20Mb who need >20Mb of address
space.  The theory is, of course, that those people also
need something faster than a II or IIx, but that isn't always
true.

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 11:26:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #266

Need some help. I have a Powerbook 100 and an old version (evidently
very old) of MacBugs. With the version I have, the code can be seen at the
bottom of the PB screen. This is very annoying . I cannot find a recent,
pre1987, version of MacBugs anywhere. Could someone please help me and
send me a newer version? Also, does anyone else seem to have the same
annoying problem?
Thanks.
Marty Wiglesworth
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 15:17:35 +0100
From: "CHRISTIAN F. BUSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Invisible INIT

Loren Finkelstein <[e-mail]> writes:

>I just noticed that when I start up all of my inits are one space over to
>the right. In other words, there appears to be an invisible init that  is
>loading before the others. Am I in danger? I didn't see anything  unusual
>in my system folder.

Assuming that your Mac  runs System 7, the  INIT code can be  either in an
extension or in a control panel or elsewhere in the System Folder. Did you
check ALL possible locations? I don't  know if an init can loose  its icon
when the bundle bit is lost, but you could try to fix the bundle bit  (for
example with ReBundler  from Salient -  comes with Disk  Doubler 3.7x) and
try again.

Best regards, Christian                        [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:43:37 PST
From: [e-mail] (Hung-Yao Wu)
Subject: Looking for a utility

Now I am doing research on image processing. Is there any utility in the ftp
site that can help me showing the image with format 256*256*8bit on the MAC?
Is there any utility in UNIX that can do the same thing? Source code is also
welcomed. Thanks!

/Hung-yao Wu

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 09:45:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: mac interface lacking powerful abstractions to do work

 Rob Smyser <[e-mail]> writes:
> In general Macs seem to be fine when you are the only one using it
> and you are using only one.  Clusters of public macs are a
> nightmare, as each mac faithfully and friendily "remembers" each
> nonsensical or destructive setting novice and other users make, and
> saves them between restarts.  No problems are fixable remotely, and
> none are fixable with scripts that do the fix identically on each
> machine on the network.  This is not true of networked PCs or
> Workstations (my lab has equal numbers of all three platforms and I
> administer them all).

   It's all a matter of paradigm shift.  The whole point of PERSONAL
COMPUTING was to empower users, not administrators.  The Macintosh has
certainly done that better than any other personal computer on the
market.  For the small work group, I'm still inclined to say that the
Mac is the leader.*

   For larger work groups, the Macintosh does lose some of its shine.
But then for large work groups, mainframe solutions are still dominant.
The Athena/Andrew network paradigm has some value, but I personally do
not find myself empowered by Athena workstations.

   Computing is definitely going to evolve, and I'm preety sure that the
next generation of computing environments is going to owe a lot more to
the Macintosh than to MS-DOS.  Windows/OS/2 are followers of the Mac
paradigm, not leaders.

Shih Tung
Chem E
Best l'il Tech School
on the Charles

* Parenthetical comment:  File sharing in System 7.0 (free!) still
amazes me.  The ease with which we set that up without any documentation
was incredible.

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:33:50 PST
From: Les Ferch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Macintosh PC Exchange, Problems with (C)

>>Does everyone think that PC Exchange is wonderful? I have noticed extreme
>>slowness in mounting/opening a DOS disk and more importantly, inordinate
>>delays (of 7-10 minutes) when returning to the desktop.

>I found that if you write-protect the DOS disk, PC Exchange is *much*
>faster.  Of course, this works only if you are reading DOS files.  If
>you want to write files, you have to let PCE write to the DOS disk.

Another reason to buy AccessPC. It will not write to a DOS disk (protected
or not) unless you check the option on to do that (who would I wonder).

Apple really should change PC Exchange so that it does not write Finder
information to the disk. AccessPC proves it's possible and desirable. I
will not recommend PC Exchange at our university until this is done.

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:36:33 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Russ Arcuri)
Subject: MacTCP

Hello,

In a recent info mac digest, Bill Waits writes:

> I am disappointed in this, because now our group has to purchase two
> software packages (MacTCP 1.1.1 & System 7.1) just to evaluate System 7.1.

Why do you have to purchase both just to evaluate System 7.1?  System 7.1
doesn't depend on MacTCP for anything.  And if you already use MacTCP for
something else, then you presumably can upgrade to version 1.1.1 for much
less than the $100 full price.  As a matter of fact, if you use Eudora then
you can get an upgrade for free when the new Eudora comes out (very soon
now, from what I hear).

Russ Arcuri
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 07:21:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MacTCP 1.1.1 & Disk Tree viewers

Dear Netters,

    Again, thanks for the responses regarding MacTCP 1.1.1.  There has
    been some mail left regarding that MacTCP is and has always been a
    commercial product.  I said in my original inquiry that I would be
    disappointed to find out that you would have to pay for it from now
    on.  Let me clarify my stance on this issue.  Our network 'guru'
    claims that he has in the past been able obtain MacTCP either through
    AppleLink or bundled with Eudora.  I cannot argue one way or the
    other, or disbute the claims one way or another, because I do not use
    Eudora, nor do I have an AppleLink account.  The person who oversee
    'our' AppleLink account says that MacTCP will no longer be available
    on AppleLink.  Currently, now that I have recieved the valuable info
    from people such as yourself, we are in search of a money/compromise
    solution to our 'problem'. (We may not use Eudora, but we do use Fetch
    and NCSA Telnet).

Now onto your regularly scheduled program.  Could anyone our there with his
ears to the ground and his eyes wide open show me the light regarding trying
to find a program which allows one to view a drive/floppy/server with its
contents and disk size for folders and place this info in a text file.  I know
that a program called Info-Browser used to be available here at Info-Mac, but
does not exist any longer (I also do not know if it will export to text or
not).  I have looked at the program Show Sizes, but the text import is WAY TOO
FULL of jargon and can not be much use to me without taking a days work to
decipher the info it reports in the text file.  Could someone point out to me
any other programs that might be of interest (no commercial, like I said, we
are in a money crunch, but will gladly pay a shareware fee that is small by
comparison).  If any such programs are not here (such as Info-Browser, could
you re-upload them or mail them to me?
Thanks in advance.

                        --Bill Waits

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:54:28 PST
From: Les Ferch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mixing network types on a Mac (A)

>A colleague of mine has a Mac SE (system 6.0.5) connected to the
>campus ethernet. Unfortunately, his printer is a Ricoh
>Postscript laser printer, which connects to his Mac via one of
>the serial ports. If he has EtherTalk selected as his network
>type, he can't see his printer in the Chooser when he selects
>the LaserWriter driver. This means he has to change from
>EtherTalk to LocalTalk whenever he wants to print (so he can't
>print from any applications on one of the AppleShare volumes on
>the ethernet). Is there any solution to this problem, other than
>him buying a black box which will connect his laser printer to
>the ethernet?

Yes, LaserBridge from Sonic Systems. Details below.

>Can the LaserWriter driver be hacked so that it
>treats the printer as an ordinary serial device?

Yes, that's another way to do it. Get:

    info-mac/util/dmm-lw-7-stuff-13.hqx (for LaserWriter 7.x)
    info-mac/util/dmm-lw-56-stuff-13.hqx (for LaserWriter 5.x and 6.x)


EtherBridge

I saw the following software-only solutions, for bridging Ethernet and
LocalTalk, at the Mactivity conference in July. LaserBridge should do what
you want. In the following, "Show" refers to the Mactivity show price.

          EtherBridge Series from Sonic Systems

Product       Description                                Retail   Show

LaserBridge   Allows up to 5 LocalTalk printers to be     $199    $100
          shared on Ethernet

PowerBridge   Allows any Mac to be connected to Ethernet   149      75

SuperBridge   Allows up to 5 Macs and/or LocalTalk         249     125
          printers to be connected to Ethernet

Sonic Systems
333 W. El Camino Real #280
Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:41:39 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Mixing network types on a Mac (Q)

[e-mail] (Alun J. Carr) writes:

>If he has EtherTalk selected as his network
>type, he can't see his printer in the Chooser when he selects
>the LaserWriter driver. This means he has to change from
>EtherTalk to LocalTalk whenever he wants to print (so he can't
>print from any applications on one of the AppleShare volumes on
>the ethernet). Is there any solution to this problem, other than
>him buying a black box which will connect his laser printer to
>the ethernet?

A software solution that might be a little cheaper than a hardware
EtherTalk to LocalTalk router is AppleTalk Internet Router. It allows
your Macintosh to be a router, hence having a Network address on two
networks, the LocalTalk and the EtherTalk. I am not sure what it
costs. It is available from Apple.

pr
--
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:18:56 PST
From: Les Ferch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Naming printers (A)

>How to Name AppleTalk Printers: Use Namer. It is a little application that
>comes with your system disks (Print Tools), except for System 7.x. Why??
>Because Namer doesn't work with System 7.

The old version of Namer works with System 7 if your printer driver is
moved out of the extensions folder into the System Folder proper.

There is a newer, System 7 aware Namer. It comes with the DeskWriter.

You can also name printers using LaserWriter Utility available from
ftp.apple.com.

>So boot up with a lesser [System] version, and use Namer.

No need. See above.

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Date: 05 Nov 1992 22:06:11 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: NOW Utils 4.0.1 bug

If one has updated NOW Utils 4.0.0 to 4.0.1 and one has colorized the Finder
menus, you may have problems.  On my IIci [ with 8*24 GC, 20 megs, 7.1] in 256
colors if I turn on balloon help and activate a Finder menu, the clipped
screen
region behind the balloon position becomes random color garbage. It problem
does not occur under 24-bit graphics mode or within the applications that I
briefly looked at.

Arrrrgh.  That didn't seem to happen under 4.0.0.  Tech support confirmed the
problem and suggested that all user added color resources be removed from the
system and then things are just peachy.

Here is one vote for a 4.0.2 so I can have my colored customized finder back.

[e-mail]    | MY comments, not the provider of my paycheck.


From: KAUFFMAN E WAYNE II           (MCVAX0::RX80639)

To:   VMS MAIL ADDRESSEE            (IN::"[e-mail]")

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:09:48 -0800
From: [e-mail](C. Brandon Gresham, Jr.)
Subject: NOW Utilties and WYSIWYG Font Menu Problem

I also have a problem with the WYSIWYG Font menus INIT.  However, my
problem is not exactly like that reported by [e-mail] (Sean M.
Joyce 93) in INFO-MAC.263.

The conflict I am experiencing between NOW Utilities' WYSIWYG Font menus
and System 7.1 is the INIT icon continues to show with a red X on it when I
boot now that I have updated to Now Utilities 4.0.1.

Oddly this almost mirrors a problem I was experiencing before the update to
4.0.1. Namely, I could not get SuperBoomerang to work. Even when it was the
only INIT (as moderated by the Now Utilities Startup Manager) it showed up
with a red X on it when I booted. That has been cured by the update. (Thank
goodness, as I can live without WYSIWYG Font menus much longer than I can
go without SuperBoomerang.

Any thoughts?
randy@halcyon
C. Brandon Gresham, Jr.
Ad Hoc Enterprises
Issaquah WA 98027-7776 U.S.A.  Phone: [phone] Fax: [phone]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 10:12:42 +0100
From: Reinder Verlinde <[e-mail]>
Subject: Opening MacPortable (Q)

I have an old Mac Portable (non-backlit) and want to know how to open
the thing (reasons: 1.Curiosity; 2.The screen occasionaly goes blank
with a few vertical lines when rotating the lid; I guess this to be
a bad contact and want to fix it). I know how to access the battery,
but not how to open it so that I can (for instance) exchange the
positions of trackball and keyboard. I know this will probably void
my warranty, but it already is void, so I don't care about that.
If anybody have advice on this please mail to me directly since I
don't think this will be of wide interest

Reinder Verlinde

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:53:00 -0800
From: Alex McCormick <[e-mail]>
Subject: PB100 RAM disk operation

Peter Jorgensen <[e-mail]>
described the joys of running a fast, silent, battery-conserving PB100 from
a System 6 RAM disk.  I do much the same on my PB100 4/40, but with system
6.0.8 and not with HyperCard.  A few notes and ideas:

1. My hard drive mounts when I start up from the RAM disk, as I believe it
should -- I don't understand why Peter's doesn't (but that's not a problem
for his purposes).  I usually just unmount the drive and spin it down with
the SpinD FKEY (important to do this in that order, which I've sometimes
overlooked at the cost of an extra spin-up).

2. If I need something from the hard drive I just mount it with SCSI Probe,
grab what I need, then unmount it as described above.

3. Peter noted that the brightness knob doesn't work under System 6.
System 6's Portable cdev gives you brightness control, though the slider is
labeled Screen Contrast on pre-1.3 versions.  Version 1.3 (ftp-able from
ftp.apple.com; don't recall the directory, sorry) is properly labeled and
gives you keyboard brightness control: modifier key + up-arrow or
down-arrow.  Portable 1.3 works great except I find it turns off the
backlight altogether on startup and (worse) whenever you open the cdev,
making it a real challenge to find the crosshairs and get 'em over the
slider.

The only odd behavior I have is an occasional 'This disk is unreadable --
do you want to initialize it?' when initially creating a RAM disk (I
believe this only happens under System 7 after previously using a RAM disk
under System 6, or vice versa).  Kind of silly, but not too bothersome.

I love the PB100 and prefer it to the others in many respects.

Best,


----
Alex McCormick
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 17:59:56 EDT
From: Pete Tamas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Programming books

William L. Waterman ([e-mail]) asked:
> I am looking for some documentation on how to program a MACIIsi. I have
"Insid
> Macintosh" manuals that describe the functions and interface to the Toolkit
an
> all of the Managers etc... but this documentation does not show me how it
all
> ties together to drive a Graphical User Interface. Does anyone have any
> suggestions on MACII programming books that have some good examples of
code?
>
There are a series of books written by Dave Mark and published by
Addison Wesley. The one I have handy is "Macintosh Pogramming Primer
Volume II, Mastering the Toolbox Using THINK C." ISBN 0-201-57016-5
$24.95 US $31.95 Canada.

Adam Schenker (GE) <[e-mail]> asked:
> Subject:      C is for me
> Comments: To: [e-mail]
> To:           "Peter V. Tamas" <[e-mail]>
>
> Can someone recommend a book I can buy from a bookstore or get from
> the library that will teach me how to program in C on the Mac? Maybe using
> a program like Think C? I'd like to teach myself to write my own stuff...
> Then look out for some great software! :)
>
I second Robert E. Winston's recommendation:
> "Learn C on the Mac" by Dave Mark.$34.95 from Addison-Wesley. It includes a
> stripped down copy of Think C which you can upgrade to the full Think C 5.x
> for $129. Mail order price of Think C is $199, so this is a good deal.
> MacsPlace (1.800.367.4222) has the book for $28.
>

If you get a chance to listen to Dave Mark at MacWorld or whatever, do
so, he's very good and will stay late to answer all questions.-Pete Tamas
[e-mail], Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)

------------------------------

Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 10:43:23 +0100
From: "CHRISTIAN F. BUSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RasterOps (C)

[e-mail] (Char Aznabul) asked:

>I'm about to purchase a 24 bit  card, and I'm wondering if RasterOps is
>a reliable company. Are they good? how's their customer service?

I  can't  say  anything  about  RasterOps  in  the  U.S.,  but their Swiss
distributor, Comac, offers fast, reliable  service. We use a RasterOps  8L
card in a  Mac IIci and  a 19" RasterOps  GDM-1950 Trinitron monitor.  The
monitor needed adjustment, and the technician came into our office to  fix
it  within  1  or  2  days,  so  that  nobody needed to complain about eye
problems  due  to  color  misalignment.  I  can't  comment  on the colors'
quality, since we use  it mainly for page  layout work, where this  is not
that important.

Best regards, Christian                  [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:53:13 PST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RPC Interface for Mac OS?  (Q)

Folx,

    Does anyone know if there is a Remote Procedure Call (RPC) package
available for the Macintosh OS, either AppleTalk or Ethernet based, that could
be used to communicate to SUN workstations? Thanks in advance.

Steve
Haehn.roch803@.xerox.com

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:46:41 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Screen Depth XFCN

I am looking for an Hypercard XFCN which returns in current screen depth
for a software package which I am design and was wondering if someone new
of such XFCN.  I have got some other XCFN and talk to the author about
using them, but have not been able to find a screen depth XFCN.

Any help would be greatly Helpful!!!

Mike Schuler
Apple Student Rep.
Gettysburg College
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 14:59:03 PST
From: "Mike Peters" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Software for writing job descriptions?

I'm looking for software that is used in the writing of job
descriptions. I've used a PC-based product ("Descriptions Write
Now") that unfortunately is not available for the Mac.

I'm NOT looking for a word processor. The package I mentioned above
included many job descriptions from which a user could cut & paste
in order to put together a customized job description. Additionally,
it queries a user for other essential information to be included in
the job description.

Is anyone aware of anything comparable in the Mac world?

Thanks in advance.


Mike Peters
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:53:21 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Speed: IIsi vs. IIvi (Q) - (2nd ask)

Can anyone tell me about the relative speeds of the IIsi and the IIvi? I know
the difference in clock speeds is 20 vs. 16 MHz, respectively, but the vi has
VRAM, which should help it along, I believe. Bearing in mind recent
discussions in this forum about the relative speeds of the IIci and the IIvx
and how the technical specs didn't exactly match reality, I wonder whether the
IIsi is faster or slower than the IIvi.

My last request for advice on this question went unheeded, so I'm trying
again. Is there anyone at Apple that might be able to answer the question????
Or anywhere else?


ADVthanxANCE for any info you can provide.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 23:12:12 EDT
From: "Dieder B." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Stylewriter eratic problems

In using my stylewriter over the past while I've discovered that if you
print out a number of pages in a row, (I don't know how many, maybe 12
maybe 40), there comes a point where the bubblejet head just starts
seizing up, i.e. a bubblejet stops working. This is particularily noticeable
in
black areas where one gets a nice white streak through it.
A momentary wait and all works fine afterwards. Weird. Temporary, reproducible
mechanical failure?

Is this 'cause the head is overheating?

What can be done to ensure it doesn't happen at the ends of important
papers (like it usually does?), other than print the papers backwards
and have the front screwed up? :-)

D.

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Date: 6 Nov 92 09:42:00 EST
From: "GINBOX::"Doug_Wilson-2141_EMail""
<"Doug_Wilson-2141_EMail"[e-mail]>
Subject: Superdrive Upgrade Required!!!

 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date:    Fri, Nov 6, 1992 @ 8:05:28 AM
Re:      Superdrive Upgrade Required!!!
Frank Malczewski asked in Info-Mac #266
>Anybody know if you don't really need to do the SuperDrive upgrade in order
>to use those special PAL 4MB SIMMs on a II?  The last Mac Memory Config TN
>seemed to imply this was the case, but verification would be nice...

Frank,
As far as I can tell you need BOTH the SuperDrive upgrade AND MODE32.
I upgraded two MacII's to 20 MB configuration. The only one that works has the
Superdrive upgrade AND MODE32!!. The other Mac II will not boot sucessfully
(sad Mac tones, memory failure) in 32 bit mode even with MODE32 installed.
I was surprised (very confused :-)) that MODE32 was required in the machine
with the new ROMs. Anyone out there know why this should be required?

Doug Wilson <[e-mail]>

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:24:48 GMT
From: [e-mail] (A. Tim Royappa)
Subject: Switching between windows without using mouse?

Is there any way of switching between different open windows
on the desktop without using the mouse? I would like to find
a keyboard shortcut that would allow me to bring each of the
open windows to the foreground in sequence.

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:24:02 EST
From: Andrew E. Scheck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sys7 version of SmartScrap (Q)

A colleague of mine recently upgraded to Sys7 and discovered that his
SmartScrap is not compatible. He tried calling Solutions, Inc. using the
phone number given in the manual (802-865-9220) and found that it had been
changed. The new number was for a private residence. He also tried getting a
current number from MacWarehouse (800-729-3960)--this had been disconnected.

Does anybody have a current number for Solutions, Inc., publishers of
SmartScrap?

Is there an alternative to SmartScrap that is Sys7 compatible? SmartScrap
manages multiple, named Scrapbook files.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Andy Scheck

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:34:15 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: TCL C Exception Bug

There's a bug in the THINK C Class Library [1.1 (unchanged in 1.1.2)]
exception mechanism.  The floating point processor registers are not
restored for a catch handler.  The following code which goes into the
"Starter" project illustrates the problem.

     static TrySomething()
      {
      TRY  {Failure(1,0);}
      CATCH{NO_PROPAGATE;}
      ENDTRY;
      }

     void CStarterPane::Draw( Rect *area )
      {
      double        x;

      x *= x;                       /* get x to be a fp register */
      x = 123456789;
      TrySomething();
      MoveTo(50,50);
      DrawString(x==123456789?"\pOK":"\pBUG");
      }

This draws "BUG" in the window when x gets clobbered.  With "Generate 68881
instructions" and "Automatic Register Assignment" on, x is a floating point
register (FP7) variable.  When entering the "CATCH" block of
"TrySomething", FP4-7 get garbage loaded into them.  This is because the
"setjmp" code expects "a0" to point to the block of saved floating point
registers; but the "try" "ThrowHandler" in "Exceptions.c" leaves a0
pointing to the block of 68000 registers.  One fix is to add a
post-increment to the register restore instruction in the ThrowHandler:

     try:

      lea     FailInfo.regs(a0), a0                 ; point to jmp_buf
      movem.l (a0)+,d3-d7/a1-a4/a6-a7                       ; restore
      registers. . .
     ; **** added ****^

NOTE:  I would have posted this to comp.sys.mac.programmer, but some
over-zealous system administrator recently cut off my NNTP access.
Besides, I imagine that there are other TCL users that don't read csmp.
Also, I looked in the csmp-v1-index for a reference to this, and found no
likely matches.

Hank Dolben                                          Space Science Center
[e-mail]                                University of New Hampshire

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:55:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Text display at startup

I need to display an straight text file at startup and have the machine
wait for user input - pressing a key, clicking the mouse, or whatever.
Does anyone know of any software/shareware/freeware that does this?
Someone dropped a name of "MacWelcome", anyone heard of this?

Thank you.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:05:55 PST
From: [e-mail] (John Thoo)
Subject: TeXtures, Postscript example (A)

On Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:49 CST <[e-mail]> said:
% can anyone give me a hint as to why
% the PostScript example file in TeXtures 1.2
% does not 'display' on the screen?
% the Picture, Illustration examples work well enough.
% have i missed something?

I'm not sure, but it might be that you need ATM to see those fonts
on screen.  Please let me know if I'm mistaken.

--John.
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:08:58 EST
From: williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Weird text positioning in MacDraw Pro

Anyone else had this problem?  When trying to correct a word within a text
block in MacDraw Pro (v1.5), it turns out that the *real* end of the word is
not just after the last character.  This makes it very difficult to, say,
remove the last letter of a word to replace it by another.

In our case, clicking at the end of a word then hitting the backspace key
resulted in the last but one letter being deleted.  Double-clicking on a word
produces a selection block which is completely displaced to the right of the
word.  Also, if you change fonts, spacing between words increases a lot,
apparently randomly

We have turned off fractional character widths and tried other changes in the
preferences menu but to no avail.

Final observation: this is a come-and-go affair.  It can happen that if you
erase a text block and start over, the new text zone will be quite OK.

We are using a IIci with 8 megs and a load of INITs and also an LC with 4 megs
and very few INITs.  I somehow doubt if it is an INIT problem as the
erase-the-block-and start-over trick works and it's not necessary to re-start
the machine.

All comments, ideas etc. gratefully received as always!

John Williams (INRA Station de Recherches Avicoles, C.R.Tours, Nouzilly,
France)
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:12:36 PST
From: Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject: What machine should I get? (A/2)

"They complain, validly I think, about having to turn their attention away
>From the array#s performance to use the log program."

Please explain. The log program doesn't just sit there and log data? Why
would they have to watch a log program execute? How do they attend to the
array's performance? How does the log program interfere with attending to
the array's performance?

Need more specifics. I don't see how having 3 Macs at one site and 3 at
another has anything to do with your question (does it?). I don't see how
WordPerfect has anything to do with data logging in excel (does it?).

Do they want a faster machine or do they want to spend more time attending
to the array? The two might have nothing to do with each other.

Kee
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:27:09 MST
From: "Phillip Hicks"  <[e-mail]>
Subject: What machine should I get? (A/2)

> Please explain. The log program doesn't just sit there and log data? Why
> would they have to watch a log program execute? How do they attend to the
> array's performance? How does the log program interfere with attending to
> the array's performance?

     In the log program, the telescope operator has to write detail
     information
concerning whatever affects the experiment or happening on-site. The log
program
aids them with a series of dialog boxes, text boxes, etc to "automate" the
procedures. The delay is in wading through several dialogs. Sometimes they
have
other tasks to do and they perform them and come back to the Mac II.
     The information they must type in won't usually fit in one dialog box. I
     am
sure the log program can be made more efficent, but not by a factor of 5.

>
> Need more specifics. I don't see how having 3 Macs at one site and 3 at
> another has anything to do with your question (does it?). I don't see how
> WordPerfect has anything to do with data logging in excel (does it?).
>

     Included for safety's sake, I tried to include all the information even
remotely necessary. Being on a network I feel does slow down the Mac some. The
network is required to pass information back and forth.



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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:48 GMT
From: Simon Shum <[e-mail]>
Subject: White Knight email address please?

Please could someone give me the email address for FreeSoft Co. who produce
White Knight.

Thanks,

Simon Shum

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 14:39:13 ITA
From: Davide Proserpio <[e-mail]>
Subject: Who sells PlotView? (Q)

Hi,
   I am looking for a commercial software that read HPGL files for the Mac
I think is called PlotView, but I don't know who distribute it and how much
it cost.  Someone can help me?
                  thank you very much
                         Davide Proserpio
e-mail [e-mail]

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