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- From: thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (jt -- John Thompson)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
- Subject: re: Mentor graphics/Apollo 3000 info request
- Message-ID: <199211112143.AA12144@pan.ssec.honeywell.com>
- Date: 11 Nov 92 21:43:22 GMT
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- > I need some info about some "old" Mentor graphics CAD workstations that
- > I'm considering buying. These are supposedly Apollo 3000 based, have a 19"
- > mono monitor, 5 1/4 floppy drives, an 80 MB MFM drive plus controller and
- > a token ring card.
- > Can someone explain the difference with the regular 3000 ?
- Sure. Mentor slapped a sticker on the APOLLO DOMAIN area that says MENTOR.
-
- > What kind of OS can be run ? It apparently has a BSD4.2 based OS. What
- > could this be ? Domain 8.? (assuming the machine is a 3000 + CAD software)
- You can run any O/S from 10.4 back to at least 9.6. A lot depends on what rev
- of Mentor software you have. They are tied together tightly. Mentor software
- depended (until Mentor8) on the AEGIS side of Domain/OS (just AEGIS at sr9.x).
- The fact that you say BSD4.2 _implies_that it's got sr9.x loaded on it. If
- that's true, you're at a very very old rev of the O/S and Mentor s/w (pre-1989).
-
- > Could the OS be upgraded to a more modern BSD4.3 based OS ?
- Sure. You can up-rev to the newest O/S available -- 10.4. Of course, if you
- want the Mentor software to run, you need to be tied to a specific version
- MENTOR REV O/S VERSION COMMENTS
- 6.1 SR9.7 AEGIS + (optionally DomainIX bsd4.2/sys5.2)
- 7.0 SR10.1 Domain/OS (Aegis/bsd4.3/sys5.3)
- 7.0_1(?) SR10.3 Much better than 10.1 (real dog of an O/S)
- 7.0_3(?) SR10.3.5 Better yet; X11 support
- 7.0_5 SR10.3.5.1 For mixed Mentor version 7/8 environments
- 8.0_x SR10.3.5.x Mainly political releases from Mentor
- 8.1 SR10.3.5.x Pretty decent release
- 8.2 SR10.4 FUTURE RELEASE (Mentor promises "quality")
- Note that you would not want to run Mentor8 on this node (WAY TOO SLOW), and
- might not want to run Mentor7 on it, unless you do small things, and little
- simulation or other compute-intensive tasks. This is only a 1MIP machine, and
- might have as little as 2MB ram (takes up to 8MB).
-
- > There used to be a larger disk and a tape drive. Is the included (80 MB)
- > drive big enough or would I need to buy some additional disks ? What kind
- > of tape drive could be used ?
- You can fit the O/S on the 80MBdisk if you squeeze tight, pare down, and link
- out to other Apollos. The Mentor s/w uses 40-90MB for most Mentor6/7 stations.
- Don't forget swap space (automatically taken from remaining freespace), so the
- short answer is no, the disk is too small.
- The c-tape cannot be in a machine with a floppy drive, so you'd have to remove
- the floppy first. I forget the c-tape type, but it is NOT scsi.
-
- > Are ethernet cards available for the 3000 ?
- Yes. Check the FAQ for more info, but it's the 3-COM 505 ethernet board.
-
- > What kind of ports does it have ? (serial, scsii, ... )
- 1 RS232 serial port. 1 disk drive (different controllers for different
- drives). Optional parallel port w/ more $$ spent.
-
- > What kind of software and hardware support is available for the 3000 ?
- You can get full hardware support from HP or other vendors. O/S support of
- sr9.x has gone bye-bye.
-
- -- jt --
- John Thompson
- Senior Engineer / Sys-Admin
- Honeywell, SSEC
- Plymouth, MN 55441
- thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com
-
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