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- From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: Mike Sinz's tests? (was Re: Speeding up the A4000?)
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- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:24:19 +0000
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- > NOW comes the tricky part... you have a chip in front of you that's
- > RATED at 25Mhz. And you NEED you're data to be accurate. No glitches,
- > no dropped bits, no false passes through logic gates... But a half
- > a million dweebs on the net know better than the company producing them.
- > They say you can over-clock it to 28Mhz.
-
- It's all really simple. The chip is able to handle X MHz. Motorola has tested
- it at 25MHz, and it worked. They have not tested it at 28MHz, because they do
- not sell 28MHz chips, so there wouldn't be much point in doing that. Now, if
- the chip passed the test, X is higher than 25MHz for almost all of these chips
- (keep in mind that Motorola of course strives to keep the numbers of CPUs that
- does not pass the test as low as possible). But how much higher?
-
- If you are going to produce something in an overclocked design, you have to
- install your own screening process, where you do a similar test that Motorola
- do, only that you perhaps adjust the allowable range of certain parameters to
- lower ranges, like ambient temperature (you can install a fan or whatever, to
- control that parameter better). This process will provide you with a chip that
- is good for, say, 28MHz. Just as good as a 25MHz was for 25MHz. What you do
- with the chips that failes the test is up to you. Perhaps you have another
- product to put them in, or you can sell them to someone else at a lower price.
-
- Just using the chips without this test is of course not safe, and this is
- probably what Mike is refering to. However, if the chips passes a screening
- test for higher speed, they have no problem at that speed, and can therefore
- be used at that faster speed. After all, it's just how Motorola does it.
-
- > My money stays with the engineers at C=. PP&S should have disclaimed
- > their fact with --- this MIGHT work.
-
- As I said, if you do not have a screening process, that is correct. I don't
- know how PP&S handle it. Btw, a friend of mine is running a Motorola
- 68882@16Mhz at a clock frequency of 48MHz (in a CSA MMR), and has done so for
- almost a year I guess, with no ill effects. Although it's the most extreme
- example I've seen so far, it suggests that most Motorola chips will run at
- faster clock speeds than speficied. Only you cannot count on it when you buy
- the part.
-
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