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Contents:
  Re: Swap speed - my machine is a potted plant! (Roger D Binns)
  Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ? (M. Saggaf)
  STILL can't get old microsoft busmouse to work (Daniel Supernaw-Issen)
  Looking for David Chen (Ed)
  Re: X won't restore text mode -- what to do (Ed)
  SLS install in 2 MB (Todd Walk)
  ompiler Headaches!!! (tim foley)
  Re: MAXTOR (Todd Walk)
  HELP NEEDED (J. Petersen)
  Re: DVI program for Epson 9- or 24-pin printer? (Andre Sonnichsen)
  Re: Is there a port of Perl? ( Ian Justman)
  X and EGA ( Ian Justman)
  "broken pipe" on shutdown/reboot/halt??? (Charles F. Teague II)
  Re: SLS distributed kernel compiled with TCP/IP enabled? (Steeve McCauley)
  Re: Help Please! -> TCP/IP (Steeve McCauley)
  Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron? (Mika Iisakkila)
  Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition? (Jerry van Waardenberg)
  Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron? (Chuck Cairns)
  Re: Problems with ST01 and SQ5510 (Louis Lagendijk)

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From: [e-mail] (Roger D Binns)
Subject: Re: Swap speed - my machine is a potted plant!
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:56:13 GMT

Glenn Wasserman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is there any way to make swapping more efficient under linux? I don't want to
: make a swap partition, but when the system needs resources under X and resorts
: to swapping, the speed of the system degrades to a point where it's almost use-
: less. I have to simply wait until it's done swapping.
:

The easiest long term way is to fork out a few dollars for another 4MB of
memory.

Roger
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From: [e-mail] (M. Saggaf)
Subject: Re: Anyone compile gwm-1.7 with Linux ?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:52:46 GMT

|>>>> On 5 Nov 92 08:37:50 GMT, [e-mail] (ANDRE SKARZYNSKI) said:

AS> Hi All!

AS> I have trouble getting gwm v1.7 to compile. The problem seems to occur with
AS> flex. There seems to have trouble getting the lex stuff processed correctly,
AS> it might aslo have something to do with bison as well. I am afraid this is
AS> rather sketchy, but I am not near my linux machine. I did use bison -y, so
AS> the simple stuff is no problem, it is just when one compiles the proccessed
AS> code it complains about yytext and other things not been defined.

AS> Any help or suggestions will be much appreciated.

If you want to compile gwm, you have to use lex and yacc. Flex and
bison won't do.

--
/M. Saggaf
 [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Supernaw-Issen)
Subject: STILL can't get old microsoft busmouse to work
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:46:00 GMT


Hi.  I have one of those very very very old microsoft busmice, the kind
that hangs off of an 8-bit card.  I have yet to get linux .98pl3 (or any
previous verson) to recognize it.  It was suggested that I take out the
ATI_XL... stuff from mouse.h . This was done with no appreciable result.
I'm desperately trying to avoid buying a serial mouse because I have but
two ports: one drives my modem, the other I wish to keep to drive a terminal.
Any ideas? Linus? ANYONE? HELP!

Any help is deeply appreciated.

Daniel

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From: ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed)
Subject: Looking for David Chen
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:20:09 GMT


Could David Chen (claiming to be [e-mail]) please mail me, and
send me a valid return path this time please!
--
Julian Edwards, alias Ed.| email: [e-mail]
Dept. of Elec. Eng.      |
University Of Surrey     |  Witty comment will be available when I'm feeling
Guildford. ENGLAND.      |  more witty.

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From: ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed)
Subject: Re: X won't restore text mode -- what to do
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:21:51 GMT

Sami-Pekka Hallikas ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Roger D Binns) writes:
: >Sami-Pekka Hallikas ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >> When I end my X session, the screen stays in graphics mode.  The
:
: >I have found (ET4000) that my text mode is only restored properly if I
: >choose SVGA mode 1.  Any other modes wont work.  Since it is 100x40, I can
: >live with it.
:
: But I have not choices any text modes, I allways press space when computer
: ast those damn text modes... Hmm. Maybe it won't like NORMAL mode :-/
:
: >Roger
: Semi ;)

This also happens if you run X without the required kernel - at least
0.97p4 I think.

--
Julian Edwards, alias Ed.| email: [e-mail]
Dept. of Elec. Eng.      |
University Of Surrey     |  Witty comment will be available when I'm feeling
Guildford. ENGLAND.      |  more witty.

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From: [e-mail] (Todd Walk)
Subject: SLS install in 2 MB
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:37:37 GMT

I've got the SLS version and when I do a "doinstall" it tells me
I'm out of memory (I've only got 2 MB).

Is there anyway to get around this?
(I'm not going to buy more memory until it gets back to at least
reasonable prices.)


                                        Todd Walk
                                        [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (tim foley)
Subject: ompiler Headaches!!!
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:45:35 GMT


Date Entered: 11-05-92 11:38

  Well...now I see why people go batty compiling programs on different
systems....sheesshh....I think I've pulled all of what was left of my hair
and arm chair cover!

  Anyways, back to business...a few problems...sigh!

        Config:  486 25mhz
                 8 meg ram
                 40 meg MFM
                 ATI Vga Wonder w/ Multisync II
                 Linux 0.98p1-37 (SLS Distrib)


1) I constantly get this message when compiling programs:

                cc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11

But if it just retype make again, it keeps on going happy and usually works
too...any idea whats going on?



2) Almost all programs I get give this message (just a warning though):

                pass arg2 of 'signal' from incompatible pointer type

Is this important?  It just keeps on going (just like the Energizer Bunny :)



3) While trying to use Broken Throne Version 2.05 got this message from the
   program btclient:

                socket create: invalid argument
                server unreachable
                :invalid argument

I'm not using the -p port option, just running it locally...and it compiled
reasonably happily!   Any ideas?  (Do I need to add something to the kernal
such as TCP?)


4) SAIL!  refuses to compile under 0.98p1 but I have it running on 0.97...
   Gives this little squawk while compiling...

                pl_main.o : the 'gets' function is unreliable and should
                            not be used.

                pl_7.o    : Undefined symbol _tstp
                            referenced from text segment

   Any ideas whats happening here?


In general, I have tried lots of compiler options (-static, -nojump, -Dusg,
-Dposix...etc...).  Does anyone have a reasonalby complete list of needed
compiler flags for Linux?  The faq is far too vague...

                                Thanks Guys
                                  Tim

P.S. By the way...the system is now up with uugetty...give it a try at
     416-238-6550, login as guest and have a look around.
     (HST Speed, no V.32)



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   ATP/Linux 1.3b    ----[ Another Smug Linux User ]----
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Walk)
Subject: Re: MAXTOR
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:50:12 GMT

[e-mail] (Kevin Routh) writes:

|[e-mail] (91066720 j r selleck) writes:
|:  was wondering if Linux gets along with a 213 Mb Maxtor Hd.
|:
|:  I dont yet have linux or the HD as linux does fit on an 80 MB HD that
|:  has only 8 megs left after windows and games... :(  Maybe I should get
|:  my priorites right ?!?!?
|:
|:  Any way I was looking at getting a MAXTOR HD  it is 213 Megs and has
|:  a 15 ms access time..`
|:  Thats about all I know about it, but I was hoping someone who uses
|:  both could tell me what they think..
|:
|:  James
|:

|I have heard that the Maxtor 213 does not get along with other IDE
|drives.  You cannot mix it with a Seagate or a Conner IDE and have
|them work together as master/slave.  I know two cases where it didn't
|work.  Be careful!  It is tempting with the price of the Maxtor drive.

Just got mine about a week ago.  Don't know about conflicts w/
seagate and conner, but it's working fine w/ my 42MB western digital ide.

One thing is that the maxtor is a new drive design, and may not
work with many older (before about mid '89) drives and cards.


                                        Todd Walk
                                        [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (J. Petersen)
Subject: HELP NEEDED
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:06:14 GMT

Hi World !

I've got some trouble to boot linux from floppy on my machine.
trouble means I can't boot the linux bootimages 0.96plc, 0.97pl1,
0.97pl6, 0.98pl1. The same images boot on other machines.

I got a 486DX/50 with unknown chipset
        Adaptec 1542B
        Conner Cp3540 SCSI
        NE2000 NetworkAdaptor
        ET4000 Targa Win+ Videocard
        Logitech Mouse at COM1:

What happens at boottime ?
Linux recognizes at boottime the comports ... and at last the scsi-interface
 scsi : Adaptec 1542  and  ....urrghhh the machine hangs.

Is there anybody who may help me ?
Thanks in advance ..

-joerg

[e-mail]
Fachbereich 7 / Technische Informatik
Universitaet Duisburg

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From: [e-mail] (Andre Sonnichsen)
Subject: Re: DVI program for Epson 9- or 24-pin printer?
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:38:16 GMT

[e-mail] (Robert Chen) writes:

|Use dvips and the print it with ghostscript.  Works great.

        How do you tell ghostscript where to print the output?
I compiled in the epson driver, and used -sDEVICE=epson, but it won't
print.  At first it said it couldn't find /dev/lbp so I created a symbolic
link to /dev/lp1 (my epson).  Still no output.

        Any ideas?


Andre Sonnichsen
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] ( Ian Justman )
Subject: Re: Is there a port of Perl?
Date: 4 Nov 92 20:42:43 GMT

[e-mail] (Larry Butler) writes:
: The subject says it all.
:
: Larry

Grab a copy of the latest SLS distribution and it be in there.
--
Born to void warranties!        [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] ( Ian Justman )
Subject: X and EGA
Date: 4 Nov 92 20:47:52 GMT

Is it possible to use the words "X11" and "EGA" in the same sentence?
If so, how do I get the former to run with the latter?  Many thanks
for any advice, good or bad.
--
Born to void warranties!        [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Charles F. Teague II)
Subject: "broken pipe" on shutdown/reboot/halt???
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:38:50 GMT


  I've just recently started up X, from SLS0.98, and while installing, I
had the mouse setting wrong, so it locked up on me.  After trying Cntl-Alt-Del
and several other likely key sequences (and many random ones...), I gave up
and powered down.

  Now, when I try to shutdown linux, I get the normal shutdown output
up to the point where it should say "Now you can turn off the power".
Instead of that, I get "broken pipe", and the system is still active (ie,
no reboot/halt/shutdown)  I thought I might have messed up these commands,
so I reinstalled them from the SLS disk, base.taz.  No luck.  I have tried
'fsck' and 'fsck -v', but neither report errors. (Does anyone have man pages
on fsck?  I have no idea what options to specify...)

  I assume that by powering down without a normal shutdown sequence, I
somehow invalidated something, probably my filesystem, so that the halt/
shutdown/reboot commands no longer work.  The wierd thing is that these 3
seem to be the only ones affected (Yes, I know they're probably all accessing
the same something, so it's no coincidence that if one of these was affected,
the other 2 would also be, but nothing else on my system seems messed up).

  Has this happened to anyone else?  Can anyone tell me how it happened?
Or better yet, how to fix this?

        Thanks mucho in advance,
--
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From: [e-mail] (Steeve McCauley)
Subject: Re: SLS distributed kernel compiled with TCP/IP enabled?
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:57:38 GMT

E.A.Neonakis ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have downloaded the SLS distribution of linux and tried to setup
: the TCP/IP but without success.
: I would like to know whether the kernel of the SLS distribution has been
: compiled with TCP/IP enabled or not.
:
   No it is not.  You will have to recompile the kernel.  There is a readme
(README?) in /usr/src/linux that may help you to get started - this is the
stage that i'm presently at - but there are some other changes that also
have to be made.  You should also get the source for the tcpip stuff and
I know of at least one change that had to be made to config.c there may
be others ... I'll find out when (or if) I actually get the tcp working!

        Oh yeah.  One especially important file is in /usr/src/linux/net and is
called Space.c.  Here you can set the settings for your ethernet card (irq,
io address, memory ...).  I wish you luck.

--
Cheers et salut,
Steeve McCauley
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From: [e-mail] (Steeve McCauley)
Subject: Re: Help Please! -> TCP/IP
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:01:59 GMT

:
: Couldn't please the people who put together these packages
: redo this and this time include all needed files? It's
: really VERY hard for a newcomer to get a system up and
: running.

        That's half the fun! ... Isn't it?

                :-D

--
Cheers et salut,
Steeve McCauley
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From: [e-mail] (Mika Iisakkila)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron?
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:51:49 GMT

[e-mail] (Doctor Math) writes:

|Intel, in their infinite wisdom, made the 487SX and 486DX physically
|incompatible, so you can't just plug the cheaper part into the faster board.

...unless you get a motherboard which allows 486SX, 486DX or 487SX all
in the same socket (not simultaneously, silly). In my motherboard it
takes 3 jumpers to configure the CPU type. Big deal. It is
manufactured by MG (no, I'd never heard of them either, but it says
"the most famous in the world" on the box...). Can accomodate anything
up to 486DX-50.

--
Segmented Memory Helps Structure Software

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry van Waardenberg)
Subject: Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition?
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:54:11 GMT

|>
|> Can someone mail me a FAQ list?
|>
|> Thanx!

Someone already sent me a FAQ list, so please don't send me any more lists.

Jerry

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Jerry van Waardenberg                                ______ ____  _____   _____
Tele Informatics and Open Systems                      /     /   /    /  /_
Department of Computer Science                        /     /   /    /     -_
University of Twente, Enschede, The Netherlands      /   __/_  /____/  _____/
E-mail: [e-mail]

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Cairns)
Subject: Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:23:20 GMT

I sure am glad that this bunch is NOT in charge at Intel. It seems that
many techie types never forgave Intel for the original 486sx chip which
had the disabled FP unit. I think it was a stroke of genius. Almost all
pre 486 systems had NO FP. So clearly most people didn't need the FP.
So whoy not offer them what they need at lower price. The COST of the chip
is not in the one-by-one production its in the plant to make these things
in the first place and the R&D cost of design. Intel is faced with a semi
commodity market and yes it's in Intel's interest to keep ahead of the
competition.

Now the 486SX is it's own die and is smaller and available in a plastic
pack. As I remember the  SX parts are down in the ~$100 range in quantity.

If Intel had invented the SX first with an offboard FP usnit and then
announced the new and improved DX with "on-board FP" then everyone would
have a much different attitude.

BTW I see LOTS of 486 SX units in the stores now. Even HP has one that
lists at like $1200 w/o disk or monitor. So Intel has put 486 "iron"
down into the price range of many many more consumers.

Shareholders are not interested in how "hokey" some particular approach
is they want profits! Consumers are not interested in how Intel originally
designed something, they're only interested in bang/$. I'd say Intel is right on
track.

cc

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From: [e-mail] (Louis Lagendijk)
Subject: Re: Problems with ST01 and SQ5510
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:08:31 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
|Hi all,
|I have problems installing Linux 0.98pl1 (hlu's 3rootdisk).
|My configuration is:
|486-33 ISA,
|AT-Bus Controller with Seagate 1239A,
|SCSI-Controller ST01 with SyQuest SQ5510 Removable Cartridge Drive.
|
|I got the following:
|LILO loading vmlinux.
|Then I get: error 0x04..
|and Lilo tries again to load vmlinux (without success).
|When I take out the ST01 then it works.
|
|Please send me a jumper description for the ST01 Card or anything else so

Well it is not much that I got to offer you but:
I have a 386/40 with a 210 rodime IDE and a Seagate ST01 with a ST296.
Under dos
and Linux the HD works fine (exept for the well known, rather limited speed)
When I use HLU's root disk, I also get the error 04 after which Lilo tries to
reboot.

I have not worried about it too much, as I have everything going. I have not had the
time to investigate the problem in more detail, so I do not know whether LILO is to blame.
I expect Lilo to have some problems in this case, as copying a working kernel and rerunning
Lilo did not seem to correct the problem.

Louis

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